Aderostock: Please, please and please! Afam4eva and Desola shld not bring rifts between my yoruba people cos it won't work. We are the most tolerants. Shikena

Alhaji Pastor :
WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM (YORUBA) I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY TRIBE THAT IS AS ACCOMODATING AS THE YORUBA, THESE ARE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SO CONTENTED WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, RELIGIOUS WISE; THEY ARE SO ACCOMODATING; I HAVE SEEN A FAMILY WHERE THE HUSBAND IS A MUSLIM AND THE WIFE IS A CHRISTIAN. I HAVE SEEN A FAMILY OF FOUR WHERE TWO ARE MUSLIM AND TWO ARE CHRISTIANS; AND THEY CO-EXIST PEACEFULLY. I BELIEVE IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THEIR CULTURAL VALUE. SOME OTHER TRIBES MAY TERM THEM AS BEING COWARD; BUT I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH THEM, YORUBAS ARE VERY BRAVE AND INTELLIGENT. AN AVERAGE YORUBA MAN WOULD ALLOW YOU TO POUR ABUSIVE WORD ON HIM AND LATER APOLOGIZE FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE. I MYSELF AM NOT A YORUBA MAN; BUT I'VE LIVED WITH THEM AND ALSO TASTED OTHER TRIBES IN NIGERIA, I GIVE IT TO THEM AND ANY DAY ANYTIME THEY EARN MY RESPECT.

id-nole4:
Hegemony and Culture: Politics and Religious Change among the Yoruba. By David D. Laitin. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1986. Pp. xiii + 252.


In the constitutional debates that preceded the 1979 presidential constitution in Nigeria, “the issue that generated the most heat, however, both in the press and in the Constituent Assembly, concerned the role of the Federal Sharia Court of Appeal (FSCA) in the Second Republic”. Many of Nigeria’s Muslim saw the sharia court as a symbol of political freedom. “Yet these same courts were seen by many Nigerian Christian as the symbol of potential Muslim domination in Nigeria.”


With this sensitive divisive issue that has sent many nations to religious wars with great consequences, Nigeria leaders through the constituent assembly was able to preserve the hope of Nigerian democracy by settling the issue amicably, with compromise.

However, the religion divide is not the deepest cleavage throughout Nigerian society, “at the time of independence, each of Nigeria’s three regions was led by a major tribal group: in the north, the Hausas-Fulanis; in the east, the Igbos; and in the west, the Yorubas. Each of the regions had different interests, and national politics involve bargaining among the three majority tribes.” Nigeria division along the major tribal and religious lines after all do not do justice to the socio-cultural realities of the nation as many minor ethnic groups see this persisting dominance…

Political Analysis of the Sharia issue


...the Yoruba were moderate on the issue, “they were the least extreme on this issue”. p.9 “Moderates included both pro-FSCA members who acknowledged the difficulties involved yet supported the FSCA as the best companies and anti-FSCA members who emphasized the technical problems involved in the proposal but did not rule out some accommodation.” p.9 “Extremists took heavily ideological positions, sometimes threatening the oppositions”.

“…the Yoruba delegates created the ideological underpinning that permitted the Second Republic to become established without bipolar religious conflict.”

“…the Christian-Muslim divide in Yorubaland, far from fanning the flames of religious conflict in Nigeria, actually built the foundation for compromise. From the outside, this looks to be a case of unnatural toleration.”

Ndata: Ok we have heard! Yorubas are the most educated,the most sophisticated,most enterprising,the cleanest,Yorubas don't cheat,they don't rob,Yorubas don't do human ritual,Yorubas are the most hardworking,most accommodating,Yorubas don't commit crimes,i-n-c-e-s-t.Yorubas are the most religious tolerant of all the tribes in Nigeria.Can we close this thread.

basher:

I would like to see these qualities you've described displayed on the pages of NairaLand. Or are some of the Yorubas on NairaLand the wrong type of Yoruba?

mai gaskiya: i thank god that wit ds quote u kan se hw tolerable a yoruba man is.just an argument u hav beng rembrd ur root dat is 2say no matr ur contributn or ur duratn in a yoruba land a yoruba dude dnt considr u 2be a mere afiliate 2belev u hav a gud idea of dia cultrue.i belev ds quote shuld be directd 2d eye servicd yoruba man dat cals hmsf an ibo man.sekng a cheap atentin.4ur info ogbeni dm no dy gve award 4 nl o.anu mpam

Tolaaaaannni:

I just couldn't help but disagree with you on this one, because the bible also talked about this. Even though I'm a

christian i can't help but bring this issue up because jesus also preached about jihad in



So its not just only islam that preaches about violence, christianity also did. The only difference is that there

aren't any psychos following this part of the bible.

Christianity and Islam are so similar, I don't know why people don't see it. Me personally, I think that we serve the same God, but that's just me talking.

mai gaskiya: i thank god that wit ds quote u kan se hw tolerable a yoruba man is.just an argument u hav beng rembrd ur root dat is 2say no matr ur contributn or ur duratn in a yoruba land a yoruba dude dnt considr u 2be a mere afiliate 2belev u hav a gud idea of dia cultrue.i belev ds quote shuld be directd 2d eye servicd yoruba man dat cals hmsf an ibo man.sekng a cheap atentin.4ur info ogbeni dm no dy gve award 4 nl o.anu mpam

Eko Ile:

Tolerating religion and tolerating hate and other ibo anti social behaviors are two different things.

joyprincess: I think is the calabars cause calabar are caring,loving,anD kind people and accmodating what do you the me i think calabar's are the best

basher:

Let me get this straight; Yorubas can tolerate anything except anti-social Igbo behavior? Is the tolerance discriminatory?

Eko Ile:


I know reading and comprehension is new and strange to you at this stage of your elementary development, but this topic is about Yoruba and religious tolerance, not Yoruba people tolerating anything including hate and other ibo anti social behaviors.

People can tolerate and accept your religion, but they don't have to tolerate or put up with your mean and bad ways.

Katsumoto:

Your ignorance knows no bounds and you stupidly exaggerate your ability to see in to the future.

Before the British took over Yorubaland with a series of treaties with various kings; there were Christians, Muslims, and Traditionalists. The first mosque in Yorubaland was built in Oyo in the 15th century to accommodate Muslim scholars and traders despite the fact that Oyo was into traditional forms of worship.

The rest of your post is just a compilation of bunkum and idiocy.

folahann: I've never thought of it at all. Just realised it's very true. There are uncoutable families in my hometown with Muslim father and christian mother.
I do have a huge galaxy of muslim friends too , I'm talking of very close friends here. Some of them even know the Bible more than I do.
I do like the southern muslims very much, they are violent-free and very calm.
What I observed though is that northern muslims in the south don't pray with a southern muslim leading the prayers. The northern ones gather themselves somewhere instead of going to a mosque.

Charles.nerd:
@Topic,

That a man can switch from being a christian to muslim ,then traditionalist does not portray tolerance,rather it portrays a lack of conviction to stick to a particular set of beliefs or ethos.I have seen a yoruba dude who have switched from being from being muslim to christian and has invariably attended all variants of christian churches without any real difference in religiousity or real description of what he actually wants from the churches;I rather find such confusing and I tend to call him a religiously confused man. Your point exactly nerd? wouldnt u rather the world be filled we such religiously "unstable" people than your illitrate extremist. If every one in Nigeria was moderate in thier religious pursuit perhaps the country would ve been more peaceful and more progressive.

I think its something anthropologists should dig deeper to unearth the root cause of such anomalous cultural behaviour. Even the yoruba muslims are not as hardcore as the muslims of the core north as you can find them clubbing and having multiple girlfriends even when islam strictly forbids such and the christians among them are always easily swayed to join pentecostal churches hence the rising wave of pentecostalism especially in the southwest;little wonder the major pentecostal churches are lead by Yorubas.It could have something to do with being liberals,as yorubas are naturally are,unlike in the southeast where people are highly conservative ,hence the dominance of conservative churches (catholic and anglican) and inability of pentecostalism to make inroads.

On a flip side,this could represent cultural dynamism and portray the yoruba as a group of people who are amenable to change ,but it could also portray Yorubas as a people who lack real convictions and lend credence to the belief that a yoruba man should not be trusted for his words as he/she is always ready to switch sides,depending on which position favors him most.

Desola:

That you've lived all your life in Yorubaland and travelled extensively within it does not make you know didly squat! You might know a bit through research but you didn't live it as a Yoruba. There are some core values which are invested in us as Yorubas that you, no matter how much you rub shoulders with us or even marry into our tradition that can never be prof-erred upon you. Aside that, there is travelling and there is living it. You, have only lived your life as an ibo man in the west but not as a Yoruba man. The different is stark.

basher:

My reading and comprehension might be elementary, but it is not too elementary to understand the following post (which I initially reacted to) was not restricted to religious tolerance -

"Alhaji Pastor :
WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM (YORUBA) I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY TRIBE THAT IS AS ACCOMODATING AS THE YORUBA, THESE ARE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE SO CONTENTED WITH WHAT THEY HAVE, RELIGIOUS WISE; THEY ARE SO ACCOMODATING; I HAVE SEEN A FAMILY WHERE THE HUSBAND IS A MUSLIM AND THE WIFE IS A CHRISTIAN. I HAVE SEEN A FAMILY OF FOUR WHERE TWO ARE MUSLIM AND TWO ARE CHRISTIANS; AND THEY CO-EXIST PEACEFULLY. I BELIEVE IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THEIR CULTURAL VALUE. SOME OTHER TRIBES MAY TERM THEM AS BEING COWARD; BUT I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH THEM, YORUBAS ARE VERY BRAVE AND INTELLIGENT. AN AVERAGE YORUBA MAN WOULD ALLOW YOU TO POUR ABUSIVE WORD ON HIM AND LATER APOLOGIZE FOR THE SAKE OF PEACE. I MYSELF AM NOT A YORUBA MAN; BUT I'VE LIVED WITH THEM AND ALSO TASTED OTHER TRIBES IN NIGERIA, I GIVE IT TO THEM AND ANY DAY ANYTIME THEY EARN MY RESPECT."

Also, for someone who hates anti social behaviour, your statement "I know reading and comprehension is new and strange to you at this stage of your elementary development", beggars belief. Can't you make a point without being anti social?

gfay:

Desola; your yoruba and Afam is Ibo, I am yoruba but I lean towards Afam's disposition, Some ibo's know about the Yoruba origin than the Yoruba's themselves just cos your yoruba doesn't make you more knowledgeable, There's a political consensus that there are more muslims than christians in Nigeria as with population but we all know it's not true and I beg to differ that there are more muslim yoruba's than christians..

naja2: i guess most northern muslims are very un educated, which makes it easy for indoctrination.

joyprincess: I think is the calabars cause calabar are caring,loving,anD kind people and accmodating what do you the me i think calabar's are the best

Obi1kenobi: Yorubas are no more tolerant than other Southern groups. There are historical factors responsible for the near equality of muslims and christians but it doesn't mean they're any more tolerant or accomodating than any other Southern group in Nigeria.

Paul John: @Bittyend, get this right.
You're not from Osun, definitely you won't know much about "Osun Oshogbo". I'm not against any tradition that promote yoruba culture. But "Osun Oshogbo" has gotten to an extent where by people worship the river as their god. May be you try and get there this seasons festival, you'll see people from different countries(mostly: Brazil, US, Venezuela, central and Southern American countries) going to ask for children and other things. In short, they've turn the river to their god. But as for me, it's a NO. I won't take tradition in place of Christianity. This what we call freedom.

Aderostock:

Ur hairy brain will not allow u to think before u comment. Fashola's wife is a christain and during the millitary era, oyinlola (xtian) was an administrator of lagos state. No wonder u are called 'Ajekuta ma momi' u ate APU without drinking water made u to type this rubbish

Obi1kenobi: Yorubas are no more tolerant than other Southern groups. There are historical factors responsible for the near equality of muslims and christians but it doesn't mean they're any more tolerant or accomodating than any other Southern group in Nigeria.

aryzgreat:


exactly my thought, left for me i will say igbos are more religious tolerance than any tribe in naija bc its only in igboland u have chistian:muslim ratio in the neighbourhood of 99.9:0.01 and yet we allow them to worship their allah without harrassing them which cannot be said of them in the mainly muslim core north where minority christians are hunted like game.

The yorubas have no option than to be tolerant bc muslim:christian ratio is almost equal, no religion among the 2 is majority

One of the most striking features of Yoruba religion is its tolerance of pluralism. This was already a feature of traditional religious organisation. The choice of cult group was left largely to the individual, and the following of a particular orisa cut across descent-group boundaries. Membership of the various denominations and sects of the world religions has been dealt with with the same tolerance. The rapid spread of Christianity and Islam means that young members of the same household often belong to different world religions, while the older people alone keep the traditional cults alive.

Nevertheless, Yoruba of all religions have much in common. There is a body of customary law which all groups follow in matters of marriage, succession and inheritance. In other ways, the world religions have themselves had to adapt to Yoruba social organisation, and this produces other similarities and a degree of ritual and institutional convergence in the world religions.