TroGunn:

God has nothing to do with conflict. It's about a well armed nation fighting terrorism in its backyard, end of. Whatever Hamas's problem is, firing rockets into civillian population is wrong and it will only lose it what little sympathy people might have for their cause. Israel, likely would not have retaliated, had Hamas not made it their favorite pastime to fire rockets into Israel. The Arabs make a mess of their case with terrorism.

violent:

Your double standard is more than irritable. Israel is not a terrorist since they only bullied people and stole their lands from them....but when those people fight back, then they are the terrorists?

Why is the world this cruel?

It is so strange people are talking about the right to self defense. The rights of whom? The self defense of whom? of the oppressed? The rights of the people whose lands have been taking away from them? The rights of the besieged....of course not!...We are talking about the right to self defense of the most sophisticated military in the region against those who have managed to produce pipe rockets in their backyards. Such huge shameless double standards. The world has plunge deeply into abyss. People now have an empty space in the place of a conscience.


What the world is telling Hamas is to keep quiet. The world is telling them they don't have any rights, they must keep calm and give in to oppression. The right to self defense is that of Israel not of Hamas. Israel is free to grab more lands, but Hamas must shut up in pain, because any fight they put up will be labelled terrorism and Israel will be given the rights to kill their children at will.

Geez!!

all4naija: Does Hamas represent the Palestinian people?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_p9ly2Y1os


This powerful documentary exposes the hell that the Palestinians have been going through since their land was stolen in 1948. From that day on, the world has been hijacked by a cabal of Zionists/occultists, and the support given to them by governments has alienated much of the world. IsraHell on Earth looks at the origins of the abomination that is IsraHell and exposes its apartheid crimes.

violent:

Your double standard is more than irritable. Israel is not a terrorist since they only bullied people and stole their lands from them....but when those people fight back, then they are the terrorists?

Why is the world this cruel?

It is so strange people are talking about the right to self defense. The rights of whom? The self defense of whom? of the oppressed? The rights of the people whose lands have been taking away from them? The rights of the besieged....of course not!...We are talking about the right to self defense of the most sophisticated military in the region against those who have managed to produce pipe rockets in their garages. Such huge shameless double standards. The world has plunge deeply into abyss. People now have an empty space in the place of a conscience.


What the world is telling Hamas is to keep quiet. The world is telling them they don't have any rights, they must keep calm and give in to oppression. The right to self defense is that of Israel not of Hamas. Israel is free to grab more lands, but Hamas must shut up in pain, because any fight they put up will be labelled terrorism and Israel will be given the rights to kill their children at will.

Geez!!

dayokanu:

Which land was taken away from them? Gaza was given back in 2005 to them and what did it turn into? A launch pad for hamas rockets

When you fight wars and lose, Such loses have consequences, and one of the consequences of losing a war is losing your territories also. Germany and Italy lost all their colonies after they lost the World war

violent:

Hamas won 76 of 132 seats Palestine parliament. What does it take to represent the Palestinian people?

violent:

Wars are not fought based on the same principles that existed in 1808.

U.N. Security Council adopted resolution 242 of 22 November 1967 which emphasized the international law principle of "the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war" and the prohibition of the transfer of civilians of the occupying Power to the occupied territory.

This sort of resolution was adopted to to prevent expansionism and the colonization of occupied territories. Both principles also complement another explicit principle of international law, namely the right of peoples to self-determination, a right that a colonial or occupying Power is obliged to respect.

If all these sorts of principles are not in place, then several countries with sound military would be seen annexing other countries and exploiting their wealth under the guise of provocative wars. Peharps without this in place, some western country may have found the need to attack Nigeria and annex the entire delta region.

What makes the Israeli occupation illegal is that it has existed for 35 years, during which time it transformed into a form of colonialism and suppressed and oppressed an entire people for decades, preventing them from the exercise of their right to self-determination and the establishment of their State, Palestine.


Israel is only getting away with all of this because the United States says it can. And when the Palestinians put up the slightest fight to get their lands back, everyone calls them terrorists......why can't Israel be seen as the terrorist?

dayokanu: When was the law put in place?

When did israel annex Palestinian land?

Which even happened first?

What happened to the Gaza given back to Palestine in 2005

all4naija: Lol... What are we to say of the remaining 56 seats? By asking me what it takes to represent Palestinian people only point to you merely retreating to defense. I think it takes the voices of the people to be represented. Indeed, Hamas only created scenario for more death of innocent people without coming up with any formidable solution. Such leadership is deem to failure and the group have never shown anything meaningful than violence.

all4naija: Israel is not a signatory to that, I guess! And, it was 1967 after the border treaty of 1965. It is hard to see how this will have effect in many of the territories occupied before that act!

can you give us reliable source,please!

violent:

Security Council resolution 242 was set up to find a lasting peace to the Israel-Arab wars. And it specifically requires two basic principles of Israel:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.

Russia and many other countries have made several moves to make these resolutions enforceable....all of which were blocked by the United States of course.

One wonders why, despite all of this, Israel is still being considered the victims...and the real victims, terrorists?

all4naija: Palestinians Liberation Organization opted out in that resolution in 1968 and return again in 1993(like child's play).

On 1 May 1968, Israeli ambassador to the UN expressed Israel's position to the Security Council: "My government has indicated its acceptance of the Security Council resolution for the promotion of agreement on the establishment of a just and lasting peace. I am also authorized to reaffirm that we are willing to seek agreement with each Arab State on all matters included in that resolution."
In a statement to the General Assembly on 15 October 1968, the PLO rejected Resolution 242, saying "the implementation of said resolution will lead to the loss of every hope for the establishment of peace and security in Palestine and the Middle East region."




In September 1993, the PLO agreed that Resolutions 242 and 338 should be the basis for negotiations with Israel when it signed the Declaration of Principles.



Link and also your quoted source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_242

violent:

Israel cannot simply choose to be a signatory to what it pleases. There are international obligations it must fulfill. What sort of world do we live in where Israel is being allowed to operate by a different set of rules where it can simply choose what it wants to be signatory to regardless of the fact that other's country's choices are involved?



Here's a document presented to the United Nations since you wanted source. Happy reading

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/6B939C57EA9EF32785256F33006B9F8D

pretty_boi: You know why I love these chinkos & Arabs (especially these Arab dudes)? Here's my answer "THEY WOULD NEVER LET ANYBODY OR ANY OTHER RACE MAKE THEM FEEL INFERIOR. THEY WOULD NEVER ALLOW ANY OTHER RACE TRY TO FEEL LIKE gods OVER THEM." Compare that with we blacks (particularly we Africans). Every time I see threads concerning Israel & America, I also see so many Nigerian slaves who would support those two bully countries every single time(even if it's obvious that either u.s. Or Israel started the wrong.) These Nigerian slaves can even support those two countries to their own death when the truth's that they don't give a phuck about you or your race, particularly Israel that won't even mind turning all you blacks to their slaves forever or even exterminating the whole of your race. The Israel that you guys worship is very very unlikely to be the Biblical Israel. This Israel was created in 1948 & are direct descendants of Europeans that migrated to that location. These silly Nigerian slaves would still come & quote several Bible scriptures in favour of Israel that isn't even neither a Christian or Muslim Nation. Please you guys should stop using God's Name in vain. You guys should also start reading books & following history & stop disgracing the black race with your ignorance, naivity & enslaved mentality. When it comes to issues concerning your country, you guys would either be so paranoid, cynical or would be no where to be found. When America or Israel is mentioned, you slaves would come out chanting "God Bless America," "I love Israel" etc. You can't die for your country, but you keep wishing to get the opportunity to die for Israel or America. If that isn't the character of slaves, then I don't know what else it is. Hamas & the rest of the Arab world should defend themselves from poke-nosing & bully nations to the best of their strength. I SUPPORT THAT & YES I'M A CHRISTIAN BUT THIS ISNT ABOUT BEING SENTIMENTAL.
GOD BLESS NIGERIA.

all4naija: Your source is according to PLO presentation at the UN. I want an independent valid source with proof of how Israel fails to abide by the 242 UN Security Council Resolution!

violent:


Calling me a liar is very foolish of you. I have no time for time wasters. Did you develop cataracts while reading the last line of your post? It should have been very obvious by now that i don't debate people of low mind, if you can't say something intelligent, then kindly piss off!

violent:

drown yourself in a document filed below

http://www.un.org/ga/president/63/statements/annex1.pdf

don't ever ever in your life call me a liar, if you have absolutely nothing constructive to say, please ignore my post!

violent:

Security Council resolution 242 was set up to find a lasting peace to the Israel-Arab wars. And it specifically requires two basic principles of Israel:

(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;

(ii) Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.

Russia and many other countries have made several moves to make these resolutions enforceable....all of which were blocked by the United States of course.

One wonders why, despite all of this, Israel is still being considered the victim...and the real victims, terrorists?

all4naija: I remove the liar for some reason it is not appropriate if not you are biased!

For saying Israel have been the victim only proved your myopic view!

violent:

drown yourself in a document filed below

http://www.un.org/ga/president/63/statements/annex1.pdf

don't ever ever in your life call me a liar, if you have absolutely nothing constructive to say, please ignore my post!

violent:

It's either you are smoking something dangerous to your health or English isn't your forte.

Point to me where i clearly said Israel has been the victim!

violent:
and the real victims, terrorists?

all4naija: Dude, buzz off and stop being sentimental about this issue. Did PLO opted out of the first resolution or not? Yet you didn't present that in your alluded comment before claiming Palestinians are innocent(to so extent) all rather your tantamount violent Hamas group as the representation of the Palestinian people. It only speaks of your Topsy-turvy approach and comments

dayokanu:

You quoted a law and I asked you which event preceded the other the 1967 law or the "occupation of Palestinian lands"

all4naija: Nonsense! As if I am not aware of that.

Maybe you can drawn yourself in this too :www.mythsandfacts.org/conflict/10/resolution-181.pdf

violent:

Coming from you? and you dared ask for an independent unbiased source? You would have done better to provide me with a document from Bibi on why Israel's occupation can be considered legal.

Shior!

all4naija: Okay English master! Prove what you mean by that?

violent:

My question was framed as a rhetorical question. 76 out of 132 seats is a majority, you can't simple ignore that!

Many countries branded Hamas a terrorist organization....except Russia, Norway, Turkey, China and majority of Egyptians. Surely, the West must know something others don't?.....except of course, the other choice will be they are doing it to keep Israel happy? Why has the West not branded Boko Haram a terrorist organisation? LOL....answer?

violent:

The point i was making was simple and straight forward. Israel has an obligation to stop the occupation of lands belonging to the Palestinians and allow them to make their own choices with due regards to their Human rights. More than 40 years after, Israel despite agreeing to these resolution has refused to meets its international obligation and the people of Palestinians have continued to live their lives in despair and oppression while being simultaneously denied Justice and labelled terrorists.

The fact that PLO opted out then opted in to the agreement is non issue and completely missed the point.

violent:

I should prove what i meant by that? If you needed English lessons, you should buy yourself a copy of Brighter Grammer grade 1. Surely it can be my responsibility to make you understand the things i write.

violent:

Coming from you? and you dared ask for an independent unbiased source? You would have done better to provide me with a document from Bibi on why Israel's occupation can be considered legal.

Shior!