martyns303:
Am very much willing to learn if u would educate me. I would appreciate you enlighten me if acquisation of properties are wrong, or based on religious grounds it is ethically wrong? Is "embarassing" the actual phrase that should be used?

there's nothing wrong in acquiring properties, but when u acquire a property which is very glaring u can't afford, then questions are bound to come up.

Having had the previledge of listening to Bishop Kukah's sermon when he was a priest in the 90's at Holy Family Festac, I can attest to this man's integrity and solid moral principles.
When Abacha, Mustapha and their gangs were intimidating and oppressing poor masses, Bishop Kukah was never shy to chastise the leaders and speak out for the masses every Sunday.

What he said about the jet-setting pastors is so true. I don't want to get into the theological debate about pastors riches, however when a pastor is living in million dollar mansions, flying on $40m jet and wearing the most expense outfit money can buy when most of his congregation are suffering, that is not Christianity. You cannot serve two masters at the same time for your heart is where your wealth is.

I whole heartily concur with what Bishop Mattew Kukah said. We the citizenry keep complaining about what the government is doing and what they are not, but it is all this religious leaders that should have been the more vocal moral voice for the poor and oppressed in our society. They establish schools that even many of their members can not afford, is it a crime if they use majority of those money to help the less privileged in our society thereby alleviating part where the government has failed woefully.

It is high time, we educate our minds and try to borrow a little from those that brought the Christianity to us and how their life is. What signs in Nigeria that shows that we even know who God is? We keep calling God but at the end of the day, what happens? SAME OLD DIRTY STORIES.

Let us not keep deceiving ourselves, what makes a nation is when leaders and follower do what the bible preaches, LOVE THY GOD and LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR by actions instead of lip service. If not, We shall continue to be one of the worst nation on earth where human and Godly feelings has been eroded if we continue the way we are, including many of the religious leaders.

gbadexy:
^This here is the reason why it is encouraged for youths to read educative and informative materials instead of trivialities.
I don't think you listen to public lectures or you know the pedigree and antecedents of reverend kukah.
The man is principled, vociferous and highly respected nationwide.

Thank 4 reminding d dude!

Super1759: "bishop mattew" if you are given jet a birthday gift,won't you take?
I think our pastors should think about this.everyone is crying out

my friend grow up! U and i know the real story. The pastors doesn't even want to know the source of the money, to buy plane na beans? Money wey run into billions

ujchief: Few years back, Pastor Bimbo Odukoya 'of single and married' lost her precious life on the sosoliso plane crash.
Another pastor (name forgoten) lost his life on the Dana plane crash.
It seems u guys are more interested in seeing people die daily on ur ill-managed and non-regulated airplanes than seeing men of God prosper beyond ur myopic imagination. If not for the poor state of the nation, how much does a private jet cost?
I would have been enjoying pastor bimbo's programs till date if she had her own jet to fly her around.
Ride on pastors, u guys give me hope and help re-affirm my faith that the word of God really works!

Are u out of ur mind or just blatantly uninformed? I read through that bold comment of yours and I shook my head for you vigorously.

You can fool some people for sometime But you can't fool all the people all the time. Nigerians aren't cowards,fools or imbeciles, we know what is right or wrong. Buying a jet for 30million dollars and using over a 1million dollars to maintain per year for a M.O.G is very outrageous.

ujchief:
@1. Men of God are not the only private jet owners in this country, u just pick on them b'cos u prefer they die in plane crash with everyother Nigerian. Your problem is that u're ok with the likes of otedola and uba having private jets after swindling the country, but its un-imaginable for the CAN president to have one, despite having to travel all the lenght of the country and abroad by virtue of the nature of his office.
@2. What do u think the jets they have is for? U actually think they live at the jets? Dont border answering, i'v seen how shallow so many nigerians are. For ur info, the jet is for the work of God! They travel around with it for ease of transportation. How will pst Adeboye attend a program being hosted by redeemed church, owerri with his entourage? Pastorial assistants, music directors, personal asst, wife and other pastors he may want to travel along with?
If Kukah had his jet, he would have flewn down to Lag to deliver his own speech rather than sending a representative.
Quit hating, it makes u look shallow and empty.
The word of God is working.

If a Nigerian can be saying this then no wonder we are where we are today. Read the quote below please

Do you know that Warren Buffet owns the largest private jet manufacturing firm in the US? Yet he has never flown in one because he says
" everyone who says they need a private jet to make important appointments is a liar". "They need it for their ego. Name me one of them busier than I am who owns more US corporations than I do". "I travel constantly across the US and the world in commercial jetliners, live in the same house since the 70s, still buy $9 ties and $75 suits and still drive my 22 year old immaculately maintained Lincoln". Buffet is one of the richest men in the largest economy on earth!

infolekan:

Christ came to reddem us from the law itself. A son will always aspire to be greater than his father & that's is always the fathers wish.
I'm always wondering the reason why the MOG are always being targeted when the people stealing ur money are there in govt year in year out & we don't open up threads condemning them.
The Pastors have never collected money from anyone with a gun & the people paying the tithes aren't complaing.
Its the jobless that don't even pay that are complaining about money that they never even contributed in the first place quoting bible passages that they will never read to understand & translationg spiritual words literarily & supplying unsolicited ideas on how money that they dint earn should be spent.
If u feel ur Pastor is using ur money to buy jets....stop paying ur tithe then. Doubt if anyone will notice it.

Yet another WACKO.
I weep for this country when I read posts like this.I can not help but imagine what happens when HALF WITS like you assumes leadership positions in this country.

ujchief: Few years back, Pastor Bimbo Odukoya 'of single and married' lost her precious life on the sosoliso plane crash.
Another pastor (name forgoten) lost his life on the Dana plane crash.
It seems u guys are more interested in seeing people die daily on ur ill-managed and non-regulated airplanes than seeing men of God prosper beyond ur myopic imagination. If not for the poor state of the nation, how much does a private jet cost?
I would have been enjoying pastor bimbo's programs till date if she had her own jet to fly her around.
Ride on pastors, u guys give me hope and help re-affirm my faith that the word of God really works!

Going by what you said, pastors are not ment to die in a public airline. The pastor that died with other passengers are superior to other passengers.

You guys should think with your head. The pastor if truely a man of God should have prvented the plane from crashing like paul did when their ship was about to wreck on their way to the island of malta.

All the new generation churches and their founders are all scammers and swindlers. Keep paying your hard earned money to them why they keep buying houses and private jets

Guyz easy on these pastors na afterall the pple givin them the monies aren't complainin.
therez a scripture where CHRIST approved of the woman who BOUGHT expensiv perfumez to WASH & CLEAN his feet.
P.S. I told mysef dat i will NEVA use my mouf/thought to abuse/curse any man of GOD so dat i don't inturn PUT MYSEF AGAINST GOD

Matthew 8:20; Matthew 19:16-24
It is very obvious that these so-called men of God are after material things, and not the teaching of the kingdom message. After Jesus turned water to wine, the best wine ever tasted, he could have made a living from the sales of wine. Yet he chose to preach and teach instead. Living a humble and simple life is the key. It was no accident that Jesus was born into a poor family, his earthly father being a mere carpenter. It was no accident that during his birth, he was placed on a manger, a place where food is being kept for animals. It was no accident that Jesus was spat upon, and a thorn of thistle was placed on his head. It was no accident that he died a humiliating death,I'm besides two criminals. Wen he was in Jerusalem, the people wnted 2make him king, but he ran, cos he didn't want prominence. Its a thing of shame that the so-called CAN president has a private jet wen his church members can't evn eat twice a day, and people are homeless due 2d flood, and he calls himself a christian (Christlike). Try to imagine Jesus with a private jet, a mansion worth millions of naira, with police escort wherever he went to. Did any of Jesus early disciples live a flamboyant life? Paul, for example, was a common tent maker, evn though he had the propensity to be rich. He didn't want to be a financial burden to those whom he preached to (1 Thessalonians 2:9). Paul even lacked materially (1 Corinthians 11:9), which is in contrast with so-called men of God that have excess cash to even afford series of private jets that costs not less than $30m. Not everyone who calls himself a man of God is actually a man of God (Matthew 7:21-23)

gbadexy:
^This here is the reason why it is encouraged for youths to read educative and informative materials instead of trivialities.
I don't think you listen to public lectures or you know the pedigree and antecedents of reverend kukah.
The man is principled, vociferous and highly respected nationwide.

pls tell the mumu_ni

youngies:
“Unless we distance ourselves, we cannot speak the truth to power. We cannot hear the wails of the poor and the weak. We should not be seen as playing the praying wing of the party in power.”
He challenged the church to speak against corruption in low and high places, saying such responsibility must never be jettisoned for any reason.
http://thenationonlineng.net/new/news/pastors-with-private-jets-an-embarrassment-bishop-kukah/

Is El - Rufa'i a right? He said the CAN leadership is the leadership of christian wing of the PDP.

A CAN leader that lies through his teeth. Everybody knows that it was not the congregation that bought the Jet. A lier cannot be my religious leader.

I see most people who comments on nairaland as the youths of this country and a times i see how much the church in Nigeria has become the greatest scam of this country. A drive from Abu Dhabi to Dubai comes to mind when i think about the Nigerian church.. when you drive the length of the road which is 6 lanes on both sides of the road.. you would see that you don't need prayer to make the journey... the way the church teaches us to pray when you travel btw Lagos and Ibadan express way.
i feel just like the government of Nigeria the Nigerian church does not want Nigeria to make progress... because if they do.. they would be out of business. we would not need prayer and fasting for all the basic things of life. My question to those who feel the pastors are ok with jets and all the wealth is this... if those pastors were told to give up all the wealth today.. would they do it.. i can guaranty you that they would not.. if they would not.. it tells you who the pastors are really serving.

ujchief: Few years back, Pastor Bimbo Odukoya 'of single and married' lost her precious life on the sosoliso plane crash.
Another pastor (name forgoten) lost his life on the Dana plane crash.
It seems u guys are more interested in seeing people die daily on ur ill-managed and non-regulated airplanes than seeing men of God prosper beyond ur myopic imagination. If not for the poor state of the nation, how much does a private jet cost?
I would have been enjoying pastor bimbo's programs till date if she had her own jet to fly her around.
Ride on pastors, u guys give me hope and help re-affirm my faith that the word of God really works!

completely brainwashed. spend more time studying the bible instead of listening to empty messages from the so called men of God. By the way, are you a man of satan?

cowtail: completely brainwashed. spend more time studying the bible instead of listening to empty messages from the so called men of God. By the way, are you a man of satan?

Reading the bible is also an utter waste of time. You dont need it!

ujchief: Few years back, Pastor Bimbo Odukoya 'of single and married' lost her precious life on the sosoliso plane crash.
Another pastor (name forgoten) lost his life on the Dana plane crash.
It seems u guys are more interested in seeing people die daily on ur ill-managed and non-regulated airplanes than seeing men of God prosper beyond ur myopic imagination. If not for the poor state of the nation, how much does a private jet cost?
I would have been enjoying pastor bimbo's programs till date if she had her own jet to fly her around.
Ride on pastors, u guys give me hope and help re-affirm my faith that the word of God really works!

completely brainwashed. May God help you to see your folly. By the way, are you a man of satan?

teeo: There is no substance in Kukahs statement, churchs today are blessed because the bible contains secrets to living a life of affluence here on earth and after life in heaven.
Why is it that people always want to assume that the church is poor. The church and its members are not poor. God keeps blessing his people.
Poverty is a state of life also wealth is another state. Those of us who pay our tithe are blessed and can also be a blessing.
If the money used to buy the jet is not your fathers own then shut up.

With this comment, you have lost every right to utter any word of condemnation against any corrupt politician.

Ogbonaikenna: CHRIST said "carry you cross and follow me". That was what the apostles did. They didn't say because Christ has died for them so they must acquire as many wealth as possible. Who among the apostles was/were rich after Christ has ascended to heaven? Remember what Christ told the rich man if he wants to make heaven? Sell all your properties and give the money to the poor. A life of selfless service. A life of earthly poverty but heavenly riches.

You will see heaven. Say AMEN!

Omo_Tier1:
Whiners like you never get to the top and are no Gods equal. If you truly profess to be Gods, then you should know that the right thing to do is to pray for these Pastors you are accusing.I hope you will remember when your troubles begin to mount, that you caused it with your words and actions? They are not your servant and you are not their master, so on which authority you speak wickedly against them

mister.hillz:
abeg shtu up..u go build school na.if e easy wella..una go just dey form quoting and na una yansh smell pass.pastor adeboye,oyedepo and pastor ayo.they have seen it all in life and God has blessed their members.have u not been to the Redemption Camp? try go there make u see things for urself.u think say na one day dem take build ROME abi

Those of you posting all this stuff, are you people christians? You all sound like idol worshipppers! Only idol worshippers talk like this. Jesus nor His disciples never spoke like this. Who are you following? Its certainly not Jesus Christ and its certainly not the bible! Am amazed! You are so far from God and the Word of God. It is clear. You don't know God at all! Am truly amazed. I don't believe you are born again. You are not worshipping God. You are worshipping men! God help you!

Tell this African Fools to open their eyes.

Poverty has really decimated our people's thinking facaulty.

You dont need the effing BIBLE. I just burnt one left in my house by my tenant.

I will burn it again and again and again and again cause i am so angry with what the Frauders "men of God" are doing to my people.

How can any sane person believe in the so called bible. Printed in here in England centuries ago?

Is very clear that Nigerian hate to hear the truth ........well,it's a thing of hope for the rest of us,if we still somebody like Bishop Mathew Kukah as a christain leader ....I hope God is watching

This thread has made me to learn much about how some Nigerians think.

Guys, who told you people that church members are poor? This is one of the funniest impressions that people have here. Maybe the members of some churches are poor sha, but me I have not entered that kind of church in years. I have met boys in the late twenties and early thirties in church that control several millions of naira easily. You want to know what they do? Legitimate business. There are a lot of churches now where majority of the members are not poor. You can get into a service of one of the popular churches to see and understand by yourself.

Secondly, people think that pastors must get their money from tithes and offerings. This is does not have to be true. By the nature of the job that pastors do, they have always have a wide social network. For what Ive seen with pastors I've been close to, what they get as personal gifts is what makes the bulk of what they have. I have seen a pastor who has been on the job for like 15 yrs with a church of less than 2000 members getting millions in cash and materials as gifts from people who feel appreciative of his impact in their lives. If I mention the name of his church, most of you will not know it. This guy does not touch church offering for any personal thing. He does not even earn a salary. In fact, many of these people were no longer even coming to his church mostly because they have relocated to other places. I can only wonder what a person who has a church of tens of thousands of members will be able to get.

Someone needs to tell me how the private jet thing is so prevalent. There are tens of thousands of pastors in Nigeria. Five or six of them have jets. If u ask me, that is even less than a minority. Besides, I think what you should be looking at is what is in the bank account of the pastors, not the jets. Some may have several billions in their accounts but have not yet bought jets. Are these ones 'innocent'?

Please for the sake of all that is good, do not accuse a person of crime until you have evidence to support it. It is not fair. If you can present the evidence, I will be on your side 100%. But if you can't PROVE it, then there is no point.
Please I need someone to answer these questions objectively, giving evidences if applicable, and not with subjective inferences (please don't say 'how else can...'?)

1. How do you know that it is the offerings that these pastors are using to buy jets?
2. How do you know that they are getting the money from the government or politicians?
3. How do you know that they are not carrying out enough charity works?
4. Does a person's possession of materials equivalent to him worshiping them?

If you can answer these questions objectively, then I am on your side.

martyns303:
Am very much willing to learn if u would educate me. I would appreciate you enlighten me if acquisation of properties are wrong, or based on religious grounds it is ethically wrong? Is "embarassing" the actual phrase that should be used?

my brother shut up and listen.....read the post properly, no one is saying acquiring personal wealth is wrong but is it right for a MOG to do such, afterall our lord jesus chirst was offered the kingdoms of the world to rule over buh in his wisdom he rejected...pls tell me hw many of our so called MOG will do such...so don't open your buca cavity and spit rubbish like an illitrate

klovesh: This thread has made me to learn much about how some Nigerians think.

Guys, who told you people that church members are poor? This is one of the funniest impressions that people have here. Maybe the members of some churches are poor sha, but me I have not entered that kind of church in years. I have met boys in the late twenties and early thirties in church that control several millions of naira easily. You want to know what they do? Legitimate business. There are a lot of churches now where majority of the members are not poor. You can get into a service of one of the popular churches to see and understand by yourself.

Secondly, people think that pastors must get their money from tithes and offerings. This is does not have to be true. By the nature of the job that pastors do, they have always have a wide social network. For what Ive seen with pastors I've been close to, what they get as personal gifts is what makes the bulk of what they have. I have seen a pastor who has been on the job for like 15 yrs with a church of less than 2000 members getting millions in cash and materials as gifts from people who feel appreciative of his impact in their lives. If I mention the name of his church, most of you will not know it. This guy does not touch church offering for any personal thing. He does not even earn a salary. In fact, many of these people were no longer even coming to his church mostly because they have relocated to other places. I can only wonder what a person who has a church of tens of thousands of members will be able to get.

Someone needs to tell me how the private jet thing is so prevalent. There are tens of thousands of pastors in Nigeria. Five or six of them have jets. If u ask me, that is even less than a minority. Besides, I think what you should be looking at is what is in the bank account of the pastors, not the jets. Some may have several billions in their accounts but have not yet bought jets. Are these ones 'innocent'?

Please for the sake of all that is good, do not accuse a person of crime until you have evidence to support it. It is not fair. If you can present the evidence, I will be on your side 100%. But if you can't PROVE it, then there is no point.
Please I need someone to answer these questions objectively, giving evidences if applicable, and not with subjective inferences (please don't say 'how else can...'?)

1. How do you know that it is the offerings that these pastors are using to buy jets?
2. How do you know that they are getting the money from the government or politicians?
3. How do you know that they are not carrying out enough charity works?
4. Does a person's possession of materials equivalent to him worshiping them?

If you can answer these questions objectively, then I am on your side.

How old are you?

basisop:


How old are you?

He is 10 happy? Oya enlighten him by disproving all that he said or forever remain mute..some of you who 'claim' christainity with their tongue in cheek are only giving heathens the boost they need to spew crap about God..

ujchief: Few years back, Pastor Bimbo Odukoya 'of single and married' lost her precious life on the sosoliso plane crash.
Another pastor (name forgoten) lost his life on the Dana plane crash.
It seems u guys are more interested in seeing people die daily on ur ill-managed and non-regulated airplanes than seeing men of God prosper beyond ur myopic imagination. If not for the poor state of the nation, how much does a private jet cost?
I would have been enjoying pastor bimbo's programs till date if she had her own jet to fly her around.
Ride on pastors, u guys give me hope and help re-affirm my faith that the word of God really works!

He!He He i laugh in hebrew what happen to "I cover this aeroplane with d Blood of Jesus" or Holy Ghost fire!

youngies: The acquisition of private jets by Christian leaders diminishes the moral voice of the church in the fight against corruption, the Catholic Bishop of Sokoto Diocese, Most Rev Matthew Kukah, declared yesterday.

He spoke against the backdrop of the presentation of a private jet to the National President of the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor, by members of his church during the celebration of his 40th anniversary in the ministry penultimate Saturday.

Kukah, who was guest speaker at the annual Founder’s Day Anniversary lecture of Providence Baptist Church in Lagos, described exhibition of such opulence by church leaders as embarrassing.

The fiery cleric who spoke on ‘Church and the state in the pursuit of the common good’, said: “The stories of corrupt men and women being given recognition by their churches or mosques as gallant sons and daughters and the embarrassing stories of pastors displaying conspicuous wealth as we hear from the purchases of private jets and so on clearly diminish our moral voice.”

Kukah, who was represented by the Administrator of Holy Cross Cathedral Lagos, Rev. Monsignor Pascal Nwaezeapu, also expressed displeasure with the perceived closeness of the CAN leadership to the corridors of powers.

He said such alliance will weaken the ability of the church to speak the truth to elected public office holders.

According to him: “CAN has become more visible in relation to national prayer sessions, pilgrimages, alliances with state power and so on.

“Unless we distance ourselves, we cannot speak the truth to power. We cannot hear the wails of the poor and the weak. We should not be seen as playing the praying wing of the party in power.”

He challenged the church to speak against corruption in low and high places, saying such responsibility must never be jettisoned for any reason.

Apart from Orisejafor, other church leaders who own private jets include Founder of Living Faith Ministries, Bishop David Oyedepo; General Overseer of Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Pastor Enoch Adeboye; Founder of The Redeemed Evangelical Mission (TREM), Bishop Mike Okonkwo and Pastor Chris Oyakhilome of Christ Embassy Church.

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/news/pastors-with-private-jets-an-embarrassment-bishop-kukah/

You spoke well pastor.. Preach it Pastor.... Dont know you but GOD bless you 4 saying the truth that will set some free.

ibedun: Tell this African Fools to open their eyes.

Poverty has really decimated our people's thinking facaulty.

You dont need the effing BIBLE. I just burnt one left in my house by my tenant.

I will burn it again and again and again and again cause i am so angry with what the Frauders "men of God" are doing to my people.

How can any sane person believe in the so called bible. Printed in here in England centuries ago?

I know say u dey vex but abeg,e no reach to dey burn bible cos no matter what men do,God is still God aπϑ ruler of all

Let us value the property of jesus christ as at then and compare it to the value of property of MOG of now a days. Lesson from the great teacher Jesus told him, "If you (CAN PRESIDENT) want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me. Mathew 19:21 from the glorious book