ignis:
Bro, we all know that the western culture is bastardized and highly indecent.
imagine this scenario, when you go to most official and social gathering in America, most of the ladies dress almost nude exposing their private parts. Thr religious gathering is not even an exception. The fact remains that what might be decent in their culture might not be decent in ours. Am not saying that we should incoporate culture into religion. The fact is we all have concience and know when we are doing what is right and what is wrong. Though often times, we tend to justify our wrong actions either by comparison or excuses. These does not make the wrong action right in anyway.
Heavenly race is a personal race and not a collective race, so let's not compare our actions with that of others.

This same corrupt Western people were the ones that brought Christianity to us.
Thier traditions you still observed till date yet you claim to be more decent than them...
Didn't the west initiated all the world feast you celebrate today? or can you find them in the Scripture?

I tell you, if the West had go against crossing of legs in the Church, this could have been world wide traditions, sadly, they did not.

You people will do better droping all sort of unscriptural traditions and focus on Christ only.

Matt 15 7-9 “Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, and honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

This was true of the religious leaders Jesus confronted and quoted the passage from Isa to.
This apply to us today. We can appear to draw near to God, all the while having our heart far from Him.
It is easy to want and be impressed by the image of "being" near to God without really doing it with our heart.

ignis:
Sure, its scriptural, the scripure says in the book of 1 Corinthians 14:40 and I quote
'Let all things be done decently and in order'
Common sense will tell us what is descent and orderly.
And I believe that every human being with a good upbringing knows that crossing of leg in the public is highly undecent and unethical.
I stand to be corrected.

You cannot impose your traditions to others, if crossing of leg is indecent to Nigerians, this may not be indecent to the Japanese!

There are some things the Japanese may consider as indecent, that may not appear indecent to Nigerians. Why because, these are self traditions
They have no scriptural support.

You have to generalise ur argument on this issue, if you do, you will see that you do err!

@OP...are you referring to crossin leg like dis ladies?

Oahray: why harp on her needing it when you know we all need it? Why call me a judge when you just judged the op with the bolded statement?

So the op asking a question about something she doesnt understand means she lacks the fruit of the spirit?
Mehn... I am done talking to you and your likes.
The hypocrisy in some christians is sickening. Smh.

get well soon then mr.judge. You called me a self righteous pretender, a liar and a selfish person and even refused a chance for me to defend my statement. You hardly know the meaning of 'harp' and you're here implying that I'm an hypocrite. You can't take 1% but you feel good giving 50%. i adviced that the op seek to grow in those areas of the fruits of the spirit, you should mind your business instead of poking your posts into what you can't take.

plappville:

@ignis: is the biggest dreamer of 2013.....waoh!!!

I don't have your time.
If you don't have what to write, why not relax. Must you post? People like you makes one's IQ to fall abruptly.

plappville:

What makes you think that crossing of leg disqualifies one from having the fruit of the spirit?

it doesn't. Inability to obey simple instructions show a deficit. Same also is lack of awareness and self control.

I usually don't comment often here because it's full of narrow minded people who can't prove from the bible IN CONTEXT some of the trash they spill from their mouth.
Enough already with all the cultural crap we call religion, the OP asked a question and someone like 'tipia@' cldnt even give a reason for the comment and said it didn't deserve one forgetting that the bible also say we should be ready to answer any one who asks for the reason for our belief, it being an apologetic!!!
Not just releasing crap that was imbibed in a church for organizational convinience and calling it a rule!
Am not against what your church lays down as'house rules' so as to maintain order, just don't pass it on as a standard from God!!!
Sheesh...

Crossing legs is not a "belief", o arrogant one.

Channel your rebellion into a war against indiscipline- thats far more relevant to you and everybody's life.

Crossing of legs in church especially during prayers is wrong. As a Christian, you are not expected to
cross your legs or even your hands when praying (even when you are praying alone inside your closet).
When you cross your legs, you formed letter "X" with your legs. Letter X is used for cancellation or
to indicate that something is wrong or unacceptable. Your crossing of legs during prayers therefore
indicates that you are cancelling, or saying NO to the prayers being offered. when you have been told
that a particular habit is wrong, especially in the church, is it not better you obey and take to correction
instead of being stubborn?. Read 1 samuel 15, Verses 22-23 about disobedience.

Image123:
it doesn't. Inability to obey simple instructions show a deficit. Same also is lack of awareness and self control.

Ok bro...

Its very interesting the two moderators who decided to " grace" the thread condescendingly with their presence, are the same people who, if seun the site admin tells them to jump, will only ask "how high?".

When you refuse to submit to church, you'll definitely submit to another master elsewhere.

ignis:
I don't have your time.
If you don't have what to write, why not relax. Must you post? People like you makes one's IQ to fall abruptly.

The bitter truth is what you hate in my qouting you? ....how will you have time for me, after making yourself approved/more respectful than others.
Just read yourself....I think You need advise more than the OP..

ignis:
Bro, we all know that the western culture is bastardized and highly indecent.

Will you guys let the sleeping dogs lie? OP sef don run commot

Oh please give me a break, most of the church goers in 9ja would have been among the pharisees. Always concentrating on the non important things when Jesus clearly stated that the things that come out of your heart are the most indicative. They will be here all the time insulting and cursing people but would be more worried about who is crossing her legs or not. Jesus hated hypocrites, concentrate your energy on the real things that matter not cultural nonsense.

jidegirl12: Will you guys let the sleeping dogs lie? OP sef don run commot

Abi oooo....what a thread though, am out....

@ kisibo

is that your church?

Oahray:
that was why I put up the pic.. At least you just agreed that ethics is subjective.

ok, let me break it down for you, since you posted a picture you yourself dont understand.



obama was on the view, with a group of women who are known to be very influential, hard hitters, and mostly the strong, independent type who dont take any nonsense from any man.

would YOU be comfortable not crossing your legs in that situation, when everyone else was crossing theirs?

you totally missed the meaning of context, and you posted a picture which completely trashed your point.


was this intentional, or?

The major issue wit our generation is evryone believes his/her logic shd over-rule evryoda tin. Crossing of legs is not wrong in itsef, yea, bt the ethics of the environment you find ursef shd be put into consideration. Pls ask ursef, will u cross ur legs while ur proff is delivering a lecture? In a polite or a formal environment crossing of legs, chewing of gums, etc is considered rude and impolite. You can do it in ur room, in d club, at a bar or any other devil glorifying place, bt in d presence of God or any matured place, its nt allowed, it simply means u dnt regard d people around, u dnt care wat anybody tinks, it cud also be viewed as a sign of pride. Shd u even argue wit ur mum wen she tells u somtin is wrong? Going forward, evrytin must nt be scriptural b4 it can be considered wrong, smoking of cigar wasnt stated in d bible, how wud u feel if ur child argue wit u abt it?

jidegirl12: Will you guys let the sleeping dogs lie? OP sef don run commot

Am sure the OP knows the answer to the question she is asking.

After preaching today, My pastor sat down in the congregation crossing His legs, and some members sat crossing thiers while He was preaching..
I laughed and thought of this thread...These people had just disrespect God according to some comments here....

plappville: After preaching today, My pastor sat down in the congregation crossing His legs, and some members sat crossing thiers while He was preaching..
I laughed and thought of this thread...These people had just disrespect God according to some comments here....

well, you should have learnt that its a contextual and cultural thing. I believe if your pastor visited a place where he knew his action will offend others, he wouldn't do it.

plappville: After preaching today, My pastor sat down in the congregation crossing His legs, and some members sat crossing thiers while He was preaching..
I laughed and thought of this thread...These people had just disrespect God according to some comments here....

are you catholic?

Image123:
well, you should have learnt that its a contextual and cultural thing. I believe if your pastor visited a place where he knew his action will offend others, he wouldn't do it.

You have not provided why crossing of legs should offend others

We have all kind of people with different culture/tradition in our church, But everyone can not bring his/her tradition and impose it on others.

If he/she does, He should be able to prove it from the Scripture!

tpia@:


are you catholic?

Didn't you see where i said Pastor? abi Catholic dey use the word pastor?

^not sure why you're comparing your situation to the op's own when she clearly stated she is catholic and the issues happened at mass.

do nuns and catholic priests attend your church?

plappville:

You have not provided why crossing of legs should offend others

We have all kind of people with different culture/tradition in our church, But everyone can not bring his/her tradition and impose it on others.

If he/she does, He should be able to prove it from the Scripture!

i don't need to. The point from the start has been that of bearing with others. When you bear/forbear, it's not about why are you offended since I'm not. You need to grow up enough to realise that one man's meat is another man's poison. The issue is to realize that it is Mr A or society A's poison. Even if it is your best food, respect that it is your 'brother's' poison, and stop serving him, quoting bible.

tpia@:
^not sure why you're comparing your situation to the op's own when she clearly stated she is catholic and the issues happened at mass.

do nuns and catholic priests attend your church?

I'm not comparing. Whatever doctrine/practice in the body of Christ, it has to be generalised.
The bible has no different rules for each nation/Race. Christ is one, so does His message.

Yes the OP is a catholic, but since this thread we have seen that not only in the Catholic church do they impose this rule!

Some comments here are prove, or am i the one seeing double?

Image123:
i don't need to. The point from the start has been that of bearing with others. When you bear/forbear, it's not about why are you offended since I'm not. You need to grow up enough to realise that one man's meat is another man's poison. The issue is to realize that it is Mr A or society A's poison. Even if it is your best food, respect that it is your 'brother's' poison, and stop serving him, quoting bible.

Than you guys should stop tagging God to it. He did not says It is wrong, neither did He expect such to offend any free human being!

plappville:

Than you guys should stop tagging God to it. He did not says It is wrong, neither did He expect such to offend any free human being!

who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

Image123:
who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

The OP was corrected in a church, several persons here too. And they told her it was wrong to do that in the Presence of God..

Are they not using God as a means to prohibite crossing of Leg? even when they have no scripture to back this up..

Image123:
who tagged it to God if not goshen? can you quote me tag it to God or you just assumed that i did?

mama bear: Please I really need an answer 2diz...

Is it bad to cross your legs in church?

I'm a catholic,I noticed each time I cross my legs in church which I do unconsciously, the wardens always tell me to drop them... Was in church with my mum today and she told me the same,I asked her why and she said I was in the presence of God, that I know but could it be that bad
I obviously know that but for christsake I'm not sitting in front neither is my dress short

How is it GOSHEN that did the tagging? the op mum and many comments here did before @Goshen came in!

plappville:




How is it GOSHEN that did the tagging? the op mum and many comments here did before @Goshen came in!

Well, you referred directly to me to stop tagging. Now you are saying its the OP's mum, like she's here to defend herself. i've continously hammered that it is a contextual issue, and each person and society's preferences should be respected as it does not contravene God. Goshen has been trying to tie the practice to salvation and to one's eternity. i never said crossing legs or not makes you saved or unsaved, or will make one get to heaven or miss heaven. But gosh keeps talking about 'the gospel' or 'scripture' like a kid. Its a matter of right and wrong in societal context. Like again, it is considered wrong to slam the door. If you did it in most premises here in lagos(church or no), you would likely be frowned at or corrected. What scripture says stuff about slamming doors. So, must we slam doors on everyone because the Bible didn't write thou shalt not slam the door? If you slammed the door in church, and someone mentioned something about not slamming the door in the presence of God, what is wrong with that correction? Must all correction in church premises be about heaven and hell, or sin? The FACT has been stated, and it is that most people consider crossing the legs wrong in this part of the world. The leg crosser in front of superiors is often considered as lazy or proud. It's similar to putting legs on the table, or even flatulence. It's general etiquette over here.