Image123:
answer the question. is the book of Acts the Word of God?

Pastor Kun:

Stop being daft you erred when you stated God translated the book of acts. Admit and correct yourself instead of trying to play smart.

Image123:
please answer the question Kunle, please.

Pastor Kun:

It's a trick question and I would not fall for your antics.

Image123:
is the book of Acts the Word of God? what trick is in that, i guess you're not persuaded as usual. go home and learn ihope.

Pastor Kun:

Why don't you address the issue I made concerning if it was God that translated the book of acts? Answering questions with question is dubious or at best evasive.

Image123:
I think I asked you first?

Image123:
they find it difficult to see what i post. If i posted Jesus is Lord, they'd argue against it.

Pastor Kun:

Stop being daft you erred when you stated God translated the book of acts. Admit and correct yourself instead of trying to play smart.

Pastor Kun:

Stop being your characteristically dis honest self, I asked you a question first which you are still evading as we write. Instead of answering my question, you are trying to trap me with a daft/irrelevant question.

Ubenedictus: it seem u both have a history, hope dat wont stop d both of u frm considering matter objectively. I dont like d vibes im recieveing

Pastor Kun:

Stop being your characteristically dis honest self, I asked you a question first which you are still evading as we write. Instead of answering my question, you are trying to trap me with a daft/irrelevant question.

truthislight: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).
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^^^

1. it shows that human can tamper with it.

2. But they will loose out on everlasting life.

3. But "this book" will ever be around by God's will for all times.

Translation to pigin english and dialect may not always employ the right words to convey the original sense for lack of appropriate words. (being that they are pegan and use of pegan words)

But that ^^ should not introduce pegan idears into the word of God.

We can always go back to the Jews to learn what and how such sense was used in the OT, being that lots of sense in the NT is quoting the OT.
Peace.

Image123:
who is this one? making up excuses. We should go to the jews to learn? learn what na? have you not read that the jews are blind? Are you content with been led by the blind, when the Spirit of God is verily available if you can believe?
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

truthislight: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).
,,,,,,,,,,,,,..........

^^^

1. it shows that human can tamper with it.

2. But they will loose out on everlasting life.

3. But "this book" will ever be around by God's will for all times.

Translation to pigin english and dialect may not always employ the right words to convey the original sense for lack of appropriate words. (being that they are pegan and use of pegan words)

But that ^^ should not introduce pegan idears into the word of God.

We can always go back to the Jews to learn what and how such sense was used in the OT, being that lots of sense in the NT is quoting the OT.
Peace.

truthislight:

Its like frosbel and Kunle were right about you that you are a fraud.

I said one should go to the "Jewish OT" in my write up but you instead wish to attack a different topic as to cover the truth Revelation pointed out.

Did i ask that anybody should go to the Jewish people or that they should go to the Jewish OT?



Smh for you.

truthislight:
Its like frosbel and Kunle were right about you that you are a fraud.
I said one should go to the "Jewish OT" in my write up but you instead wish to attack a different topic as to cover the truth Revelation pointed out.
Did i ask that anybody should go to the Jewish people or that they should go to the Jewish OT?
Smh for you.

truthislight: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).
,,,,,,,,,,,,,..........
^^^
1. it shows that human can tamper with it.
2. But they will loose out on everlasting life.
3. But "this book" will ever be around by God's will for all times.
Translation to pigin english and dialect may not always employ the right words to convey the original sense for lack of appropriate words. (being that they are pegan and use of pegan words)
But that ^^ should not introduce pegan idears into the word of God.
We can always go back to the Jews to learn what and how such sense was used in the OT, being that lots of sense in the NT is quoting the OT.
Peace.

Goshen360: ^^^ I do understand you perfectly well. However, I think I stand with using study aids in understanding difficult scriptures, not for the easy issues you've pointed out such as the fundamental elements of our faith. You remember when we had to talk about Hebrews 7:8.

I still see it that there're some scriptures (not all cases) that needs critical examination but not the basic ones though. I won't see it wanting to elevate one's self as above others but I'll see it as to better understand the context of the text. It's all of us that can do all the critical studies but we should all be encouraged to do so, if we can. I can give you many instances from scriptures on the need for critical examination of text if you don't mind.

debosky:

No issues with using study aids - what I am against was the sudden rush that everyone should read 'multiple translations' Greek, Aramaic, etc., and use 'multiple aids' in the first instance. That is wrong - the regularly available translations are sufficiently accurate to give you a good grounding in scripture.

This need to hair split and to be seen as the 'only' right person on every single subject down to the last detail is intellectual elitism and is partly why many people feel unable to understand the scripture and leave it to those who have studied Greek, Aramaic and 100 translations and concordances.

I know there are texts requiring 'critical examination' - but they are not the cause of false doctrines in the main, and this 'critical examination' is not the solution to false doctrines. There is a right time for critical examination, but only after you have built a good foundation. For example, endless debates on the root meaning/source of the word hell is not part of a good foundation!

I am not discouraging study and critical examination in any sense, but it must be put in its place - there is too much intellectualism and 'head knowledge' elitism dressed up as being 'critical examination'.

Goshen360:

YOURS IS A BALANCED TRUTH! GOD BLESS YOU MY DEAR BROTHER. THAT'S WHY I LOVE TO FOLLOW YOU AND YOUR THREADS/COMMENTS....AS LONG AS YOU FOLLOW CHRIST. THANK YOU!

debosky: I don't support all this 'read Greek and read Hebrew' business - yes it's good to do that if you are in doubt, but the widely used translations are, in the main, all sufficiently accurate for you not to be misled.

Those that overly harp on concordances, Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic and the like are, in my view, exhibiting a form of Christian intellectual elitism or superiority. You don't need to read the original Greek to know that Jesus fasted for 40 days, or that he died on the cross and rose on the third day, or that the NT says God loves a cheerful giver.

The issue here is that Christians need to understand the fundamental elements of faith and build from there. If you don't build up knowledge on foundation elements of faith, you are likely to be thrown off or mix up your own desires with what the Word is saying.

Let me give an example - if your (sinful nature's desire is to get rich, you may interpret the word (exclusively) as a tool to get rich. However if you understand that earthly wealth, while good, is a secondary concern, you will be able to view scripture on wealth in the right perspective.

Secondly, we must resist the temptation to go down rat holes that don't edify or really bring any change of heart - the risk is that those things then get elevated above the fundamental truths and become stumbling blocks.

Take for example this argument about Sheol/Hades/Hell - of what real value is it to Christians? To be able to say 'I am right and you are wrong?' Knowing the root word of Hell does not take you to heaven, neither does it help you live a life more like Christ.

debosky:

I know there are texts requiring 'critical examination' - but they are not the cause of false doctrines in the main, and this 'critical examination' is not the solution to false doctrines. There is a right time for critical examination, but only after you have built a good foundation. For example, endless debates on the root meaning/source of the word hell is not part of a good foundation!

deebrain: @Image123

U are always in frosbel's threads to seek trouble. U deserve a good RKO.

deebrain: @Image123

U are always in frosbel's threads to seek trouble. U deserve a good RKO.

Image123:
you have a problem. what debo said is what I've been saying all through the thread, but since Image123 is the one saying it, you and your folks must oppose it. I hope debo can share his view on hell and Sheol, perhaps you'll see then. bigoted fellows

frosbel:

he is now stalking me all over this forum, but I forgive him

deebrain:

Its supposed to be the other way-U HAVE A PROBLEM. True u started well until when that thing that used to worry u started again in yr responses to Pastor Kun and Truthislight....

What is there to say "OK NOTED (and with some courtesy u can add) THANKS" even if with the available objective points given, u still dont agree. Why resort to the known attitude of making the person feel he lacks understanding of God and scripture? Debo's point that got me tripping is "what really is a christians business with issues of hell"? I thought we are after heaven-TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM U THAT WANTS TO SEE PEOPLE BURN..

Ubenedictus: Be careful with ur accusations, i do not know d image guy, but i think he hit d nail on da head this is what u said! u never said we shuld go back to d jewish OT, instead u said "we can alway go back to d jews to learn in how and what sense was used in d OT". The jews refer to a people not d OT. In essence u said we shuld go to d jewish pipo to learn how and what sense was used in d ot. Image was correct, u said to go to d jews.
Peace

truthislight: "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).
,,,,,,,,,,,,,..........

^^^

1. it shows that human can tamper with it.

2. But they will loose out on everlasting life.

3. But "this book" will ever be around by God's will for all times.

Translation to pigin english and dialect may not always employ the right words to convey the original sense for lack of appropriate words. (being that they are pegan and use of pegan words)

But that ^^ should not introduce pegan idears into the word of God.

We can always go back to the Jews to learn what and how such sense was used in the OT, being that lots of sense in the NT is quoting the OT.
Peace.