ezicat: And after this, I'll be ignoring you henceforth Slave because you are like a child with an itch...

How does one argue that the earth is NOT flat when the person they are arguing with keeps pointing to the drop in the horizon? They can throw all the evidence in the world at them and all their focus will be on the horizon, nothing else. You're saying atheists need to have proof i.e. "better excuses" before they can challenge believers. I'm saying that they can choose to believe in something with a little bit more evidence than Creation (which has NONE at all) without having all of the answers. For example, there is evidence of mutations - they can be created in the lab.

Right - the Bible doesn't say anything along the lines of..."Therefore do not be anxious, saying, `What shall we eat?' or `What shall we drink?' or `What shall we wear?' 32 For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well." I guess it applies to the individual and not the entire society. I guess that kind of thinking is beyond the realm of traditional Christianity.

No, that's YOUR argument. And deary - I'm not simple minded, like you. MY argument goes like this: when Nigerians are faced with endemic societal issue or problem, their only recourse is prayer. When they are faced with corrupt leaders, they only pray about it; When they have to get in that plane knowing the horrid safety standards, they only pray about it; when they get on those poor roads with robbers and kidnappers and potholes that can swallow you whole, they only pray about it. Did I not say Nigeria's VERSION of religion? Did I not give the example of other societies who have been able meld religion and initiative? Am I not advocating melding the two - yes, pray, but if you want results DO as well.

You problem, Slave, is that you believe that the black man is inferior, and something given to him by the benevolent white super beings couldn't possible be harmful to his pysche. Well it is - unless we start making it work for us.

Now goodbye and good riddance. You are dead to me!

ezicat: Damn it - I'm going back on my word by addressing you - I've corrected the bn to tn. You are so stupid!

davidylan:
Ok? So how does the above remove eba from your mouth?

davidylan:
This is an illogical leap based on no evidence at all

musKeeto:
Lol. It's not about the eba in my mouth, its about the conewebs in your skull. I see there's no reasoning with you. You had nothing to offer, your religion has nothing to offer like you've previously noted.
You're officially TJ-certified (TJ - Troll for Jesus). Congrats...

musKeeto:
Define illogical. Define leap. Define based. Define evidence. Take a look at Nigeria. Read your sentence again.

davidylan:
I ask a second time... what has the religious sunday activities of a christian to do with your ability to eat?

davidylan:
well what did and shouldnt that be the first thing to tackle if we are serious about finding our way back from the abyss? Where is your evidence that religion is what is holding us back? Because some choose to say a prayer you do not like?

My friend park well

Logicboy03:


Most atheists here are ex-christians.


Dont flatter yourself

cheleku:

Can all you atheists leave Christians alone to 'foolishly' worship God.

Heatblast: Me sef tire, one would expect that people who believe in a ultra rich sky daddy would be richer/ better than those who don't, but its the exact opposite, Aficans believe in a god more than the rest of the world combined(that's just me guessing) yet poverty rules unchallanged. We are always waiting for aid form the godless nations(compared to us) Take Nigeria for example, every friday and sunday, continious disturbance, yet no change.

cheleku:
My bible upholds those moral principles that advance any society. From helping they needy to being selfless and altruistic. From not being covetous to being contempted. Yes, all these are in the bible. So, when atheists whine over christianity a find it a little befudlng. Live and lets live. Simple.

kmcutez:

But your actions are affecting us as a nation. Religious conflicts, complacency towards the state of affairs in this country, prosperity messages which has led to a lot of vices, eg corruption, theft etc. Need I go on.

kmcutez:

But your actions are affecting us as a nation. Religious conflicts, complacency towards the state of affairs in this country, prosperity messages which has led to a lot of vices, eg corruption, theft etc. Need I go on.

cheleku:

Who are the biggest philantropists in this nation? Arent they mostly christians and christian organizations. How many of the religious conflicts have christians instigated? Arent christians often accused of being pacifists. How many hospitals have been builts in this nation by atheists organization of Nig? My point is this, Christianity has done so much for this nation, and I in no way deny that are bad people who disguise themselves as christians. Such people are every where even amongst atheists.

kmcutez:

Show me one christian, just one christian practicing the things you listed above and I will convert to christianity.

cheleku:

Who are the biggest philantropists in this nation? Arent they mostly christians and christian organizations.

cheleku:
How many of the religious conflicts have christians instigated? Arent christians often accused of being pacifists.

cheleku:
How many hospitals have been builts in this nation by atheists organization of Nig?

cheleku:
My point is this, Christianity has done so much for this nation

davidylan:

what difference does it make?[/color]

The difference is quite simple. An atheist utterly rejects the concept/existence of God. I however accept the theory of first cause but reject its perversion by religion, as is.


[color=#990000]That is very true. The problem however is that atheists and gnostics like you have consistently used this trick to hide the fact that you really have no alternative explanation to how the first life form appeared outside of the God hypothesis. You cannot mock others for depending on myths when you yourself wrap yourself in the arms of assumptions that have no proof... when your hypocrisy is pointed out to you, you twist yourself into a pretzel telling us how science is an assumption that requires others to prove anyway.[/color]

What is this God hypothesis you keep going on about?
Provide a simple explanation.

As to assumptions without proof - that is the very definition of religion. Science eloquently proves and improves itself everyday, even in your life. Science is an eclectic mix of provable theories ranging from the simple about how your own very body works to the complex abouy how life began.
It makes no requirement of you, if you feel its unproofable but you ignore it at your peril. For example try stepping off a tall/high building and say to yourself that the theory of gravitation is only an assumption...or deny your body oxygen while insisting that science is only assuming the integral role of oxygen in the Process of respiration!!


[color=#990000] While the above is perfectly true... there is no objective reason why you are not prepared to leave others alone to make the rational choice to hold unto religion. Its not like that choice is a problem to you.[/color]

As i said to Prairie, it is fundamental to respect everyone's right to practice the insanity called religion. But for the growth of out society, the proselytizing of religion by appeal to emotions should not be allowed. Belief or disbelief should be a reasoned personal decision made by every one not something indoctrinated or coerced. (the rationality of holding on to religion is arguable though)



[color=#990000] Depends on who is doing the "criticism". Lab scientists i have worked with allow robust and objective criticism. Atheists here though are not objective but rather blind followers of a science they CANNOT EXPLAIN! [/color][color=][color=#990000][/color]

Explaining principles like evolution is not like telling the comical Genesis myth, these scientific theories are far more complex to be described in a few words. That is why i said 'read up'...

The seeming staunch arguments we make is not because we reject criticism but because religion has made absolutely no objective critism that science does not already implicitly accept. Such criticisms include

- Science is grounded on ever-changing assumptions. Yes, and that is its beauty, it refuses to cloak itself in conceited certainty but accepts our relative ignorance while continually improving its evidence-backed, logical, replicable assumptions.

- Science does not respect religion. Yes, it doesn't, nor does it respect any other disingenious human myths. Religion jas offered little to respect. Is it its strong exception to enlightened criticism we should respect? Or its Crazy, genocidal God who's partiality is legendary, pettiness is ridiculous and wickedness unrivalled we should respect?





Religion is a choice. Feel free to ignore it.

ooman:

It is not xtianity that has done so much for this country, it is simply people, good in heart but afraid of hell.

If you want to talk about what "Christianity" as a religion has done, then you can talk in terms of the hold xtianity has on people who profess it. Does it stop corruption? nope, then xtianity has done nothing for us.

Dont think that we are out to attack xtians only, it is just that the muslims are damaged beyond repair, therefore, we have left them in the dustbin.

cheleku:

Yes I attribute this deeds to Christianity. Isn't man an animal with the most selfish of intentions. What religion does is to serve as a moral comapss that guides the deeds and activities of man. Remove religion and other agents of moral enforcement (judiciary and law enforcement agents) and see if the world doesnt relapse into the stone ages.

cheleku:

Yes I attribute this deeds to Christianity. Isn't man an animal with the most selfish of intentions. What religion does is to serve as a moral comapss that guides the deeds and activities of man. Remove religion and other agents of moral enforcement (judiciary and law enforcement agents) and see if the world doesnt relapse into the stone ages.

kmcutez:

Nope, they are too busy buying private jets, building mansions, building private universities to reap more profit etc.



Muslims and christians, same thing, worshipping sky daddy. Have you heard of boko haram. Not even going to touch all the wars christians have fought in the past.



Have no idea



Lie from the very pit of hell, if not we will not be in the sorry state of affairs we are in

cheleku:

Yes I attribute this deeds to Christianity. Isn't man an animal with the most selfish of intentions. What religion does is to serve as a moral comapss that guides the deeds and activities of man. Remove religion and other agents of moral enforcement (judiciary and law enforcement agents) and see if the world doesnt relapse into the stone ages.

cheleku:

I guess you wouldnt have an idea. Actually, the answer is nothng. Just nothng. The so called atheists that constantly chastise christians have done just nothng. If you say christians dont give enough, then put them to shame by giving. Again, you are keen to mention pastors that fly around in private jets, but youre so quick to forget those that are renderng great humanitarian services; those that put railments on the naked, and give scholarships to poor nigerians. Yes, you'd of course forget.

kmcutez:

Maybe the atheists are practicing the biblical saying "do not let the right hand know what the left is doing", while the christians are busy blowing their trumpets on every little help they render compared to how much they are stealing from the gullible. Tsk tsk

kmcutez:

Most western countries eg Norway, Sweden etc are atheist nation but they have not relapsed into the stone age. They have the best HDI. Meanwhile african countries who are religious are the ones living in the stone age.

Why would you want to remove judiciary and law enforcement. Even stone age people had them. We are talking of religion. Abi your christianity encourages you to play ojoro. And stop the plagiarism

davidylan:

Most of the theories you hang your hat on are unproven neither do you have the means to prove them... but you believe away anyway.

cheleku:

I laugh at your prevarication. Did you just say norway is an atheist nation? Go get your facts right. See, the internet is there for you. Atleast make a little research before you spew out your ignorance.

cheleku:

I laugh at your prevarication. Did you just say norway is an atheist nation? Go get your facts right. See, the internet is there for you. Atleast make a little research before you spew out your ignorance.

cheleku:

What religion does is to serve as a moral comapss that guides the deeds and activities of man.

kmcutez:

Remove the fear of hell and see how many christians will be guided by this so moral compass you speak of.