And where does God command this 10% for CHRISTIANS. Is that too hard for you to show us in the NEW TESTAMENT? I've been asking you this same question more than only God knows how many times now. You're yet to show ONE single scriptures where God, Christ or the Apostles COMMANDED or INSTRUCTED CHRISTIANS to TITHE. Please, I'm waiting for one scripture BUT we've shown you and your group where tithing was abolished...NO?
You are missing the whole point about tithing...well i don't blame you..i blame pastors who demand tithe more out of a desire for, or perceived right to income than a desire for the welfare of the saints. In their appeals for tithe, some use manipulation and fear to motivate the people to part with their money. Saints grudgingly or blindly give without any more understanding than the bible says to do it, or that in giving they can become materially prosperous, instead of linking the people of God, the missapplication of this teaching has in many cases divided the people, each seeking their own good and not that of the Body. If anything,goshen, biblical tithing should speak of relationship and generation. To establish proper father/son order, ministries as well as saints need to understand and practice biblical tithing.
Are you sure you know what we have been talking about or are you just trying to misrepresent facts.
Have you heard any of us speaking against giving to God? What we are talking about is that tithing as being practised in our churches today is not scriptural.
Do you know what true Christian giving is all about? Have you ever given more than a 100% of your salary at one go just by the leading of the Holy Spirit without even the pastor knowing who the giver was? Unlike some here who would pay a tenth and announce it to the world.
The type of giving that pleases God is given in 2 Cor 9:7 and that is the basis of a good and acceptable Christian giving that I believe in.
Going into the archives to dig out some related posts:
OLAADEGBU:
Let us consider what the biblical purposes and principles of tithing that can guide believers in Christ.
Bible Readings: Deut. 14:22-29 and Mark 12:41-44
"You shall truly tithe all the increase of your seed, that the field brings forth year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of your corn, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. And if the way be too long for you, so that you are not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from you, which the LORD your God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD your God has blessed you: Then shall you turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and shall go to the place which the LORD your God shall choose. And you shall bestow that money for whatsoever your soul lusts after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever your soul desires: and you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you, and your household, And the Levite that is within your gates; you shall not forsake him; for he has no part nor inheritance with you. At the end of three years you shall bring forth all the tithe of your increase the same year, and shall lay it up within your gates: And the Levite, (because he has no part nor inheritance with you,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within your gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do." -- Deut.14:22-29
We can learn from the passage above that tithing is a clear way to demonstrate our priorities. The Bible makes the purpose of tithing very clear, and this is to put God first in our lives. We are to give God the first and best of what we earn. For example, what we do first with our money shows what we value most. Giving the first part of our wages to God immediately focuses our attention on Him. It also reminds us that all we have belongs to Him. A habit of regular tithing can keep God at the top of our priority list and give us a proper perspective on everything else we have.
"And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And He called to Him His disciples, and saith to them, Verily I say to you, That this poor widow has cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury: For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living." -- Mark 12:41-44
Tithing should remind us of God's desire that we should be generous. In the Lord's eyes, this poor widow gave more than all the others put together, though her gift was by far the smallest. The value of a gift is not determined by its amount, but by the spirit in which it is given. A gift given grudgingly or for recognition loses its value. When you give, remember that it doesn't matter how small or large your income is, your tithes can only be pleasing to God when it is given out of gratitude and a spirit of generosity.
Trust Nigerians! Experts in all things religious yet the most corrupt nation on earth. Bribing their Jewish God to get more material possessions to show off with is something they wouldn't hesitate to do.
Bidam: on the contrary, we give our tithes to God because the ability to earn the money is God's gift in the first place( ecc 5:18). 2. We give to God becos the ability to enjoy the wealth is a gift from God( ecc 5:19-20). 3. But on the other hand you guys are tight fisted becos..1. the more you have the more your want the unrighteous mammon(ecc5 :10). 2. The more you have the more you spend(ecc 5:11).3.the more you have the more you worry(ecc5 :12) and lastly the more you have the more you loose (ecc 5:13-14)..abegi make una read ecc5 :14-17 and learn a thing or two why money shuldn't be taking seriously but should instead be invested in God's kingdom...Jesus said it loud and clear in scriptures..you can't serve me and money..so don't hide in hypocrisy quoting NT when you have not yielded your entire being to the Lord as a living sacrifice including your purse(romans 12:1).
My dear you are giving to your pastors not God. Have you heard this saying by Christ, "WHATSOEVER YOU DO TO THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS THAT YOU DO UNTO ME." This is how you give to Christ. This is for Christ followers and was not part of the law given to the Jews.
Your pastor or Christ, who should receive more? Ignorance has made people to give N5, N20 and pure water change(balance) to Christ while their pastors receives in abundance. Those that really need help get little or nothing.
Go and give the needy, motherless, widows and those that need help around you. All these people are priest of God according to the new covenant, feed them. Stop over feeding a pastor who should feed the sheep as Christ directed Peter.
@Ola
Do you actually read those you quotes or you just quote for quoting sake?
Bidam: You are missing the whole point about tithing...well i don't blame you..i blame pastors who demand tithe more out of a desire for, or perceived right to income than a desire for the welfare of the saints. In their appeals for tithe, some use manipulation and fear to motivate the people to part with their money. Saints grudgingly or blindly give without any more understanding than the bible says to do it, or that in giving they can become materially prosperous, instead of linking the people of God, the missapplication of this teaching has in many cases divided the people, each seeking their own good and not that of the Body. If anything,goshen, biblical tithing should speak of relationship and generation. To establish proper father/son order, ministries as well as saints need to understand and practice biblical tithing.
You did not answer the question.
Where was it commanded that new converts from other nations(former Gentiles) or Christians to pay tithe?
"And, behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tenth in Israel for an inheritance, for their service which they serve, even the service of the tabernacle of the congregation" (Numbers 18:21).
Biblical records reveal that Levi, the third son of Jacob and Leah, was the ancestor of the priest of the tabernacle. Jacob was not happy with Levi and Simeon and he pronounced them dispersed among the people of Israel for their violence and cruelty to the men of Shechem. The situation changed later when the tribe of Levi submitted their lives entirely to the service of God. Moses in his farewell speech, praised the tribe of Levi for being faithful to the covenant with God and for teaching the people to obey God. God always rewards faithfulness and responsible stewardship in every generation.
Our text today outlines the principle, pattern and portion of the Levites in discharging the duties assigned to them by God. The priests and the Levites were to have no earthly inheritance, for God Himself was their portion and inheritance. They were to be focused and dedicate their ambition, strength and resources for the service of the tabernacle. Levites were to live on the tithes of the children of Israel, while they in turn should pay their heave offerings unto the Lord. It was to be used to support the work of the tabernacle. The Levites must then be very careful and ensure that they handle the things of God with reverence. Neither should they pollute the holy things of the children of Israel, otherwise they die.
Giving something back to God in appreciation of what He freely gave us is the responsibility of every heaven-bound pilgrims especially because the principle of tithing is still very much relevant today. Believers must see their time, talent and resources as gifts to be dedicated to God who is the Supreme Giver. Gifts dedicated to God must be treated with respect and reverence. As responsible stewards of God’s resources, Christians must channel their lives and resources as holy and acceptable service unto God.
Thought for the day:"Dedicated life unto God is a duty and debt we all owe Him"
Tithing money was started by the Catholic Church hundreds of years after Christ's ministry.
It was not until after Constantine (fourth century A.D.) made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire that the free-will offering was replaced with various forceful means of raising money. Constantine began a huge building program, constructing churches and renovating pagan temples for use in what would become Roman Catholicism.
Prior to this time, believers did not need ornate buildings.
After all, they knew that they were the true temple of God, not some buildings constructed in the very same form as the pagan temples only with some Biblical themes added to them. They knew that all believers were priests before God. They knew about and practiced living under the New Covenant. They knew about and practiced a new way of giving.
A study of the things Constantine and his mother did to pervert Christianity would be a very worth while study.
Let’s face it. Much of the lingering root behind the sustained push for giving 10% or more of your income in the modern church is to support your minister’s salary and the many perks that go along with it (free housing, medical benefits, transportation, pension, etc.)
Tithing, or giving back to God 10% of your income every week is a false teaching used by the church, independent cults, and charlatans of every description, as a club to beat and threaten church members into surrendering ten percent of their salaries in obedience to some phantom law.
Many churches even require this for church membership.
Let me repeat: fraudulently fleecing the flock by exacting ten percent of the church members’ paycheck under fear of breaking some Old Testament law of tithing or a New Testament precept of giving back to God 10% or more of your gross income, is a despicable false teaching.
"For all they did cast in their abundance, but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living" (Mark 12:44).
God loveth a cheerful giver, remarks Paul the apostle (2 Corinthians 9:7b). Giving all we can is the acceptable way to give to God. Our offerings must be with all sincerity of purpose, purity of heart with a mind to please God only.
The Lord Jesus observed in our text how true worshippers cast their offerings into the box provided in the temple for that purpose. He saw the rich give much out of the abundance they had, but He also knew intuitively that what they gave was well below their capability. They certainly had held back part of what they should give in order to plough it back to satisfy their covetousness and love of luxury. Except for the exemplary giving of a widow woman, the Lord did not inform us how the poor in that place fared in the giving of offering, but it is a well known fact that most poor people pretending to have nothing to give, actually fail to give back to God. This they do, not because of their poverty but because of their distrust in God’s ability and faithfulness to give to them (Luke 6:36).
Our possession are blessed when we give a just portion to God, for there will be a blessing in what remains after an appropriate part has been given to God. We cannot and should not dare to give to God as if we are giving to a beggar. It is our duty to give. God does not consider the duty of giving according to the outward value, but always in comparison to that which He supplies.
How we give reflects our devotion to God. Our liberality in assisting the poor and giving to God is an important physical evidence of our love for Him. Unless we cultivate a habit of faithfully giving when we have not much to give, we will give little when we become rich. Above all things, the Lord demands first from us, the giving of our hearts, time and talent in voluntary and sincere devotion and service unto Him. This is the condition upon which the acceptance of our pecuniary offerings is based.
Thought for the day:"Giving reflects our true love for God and mankind"
It has long been said that the wallet is the "final frontier." It is the final area to be conquered-the last thing that comes to God in surrender. Jesus spoke much about money as in our text above. He said:
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon" (Matthew 6:24).
"Mammon" was the common Aramaic word for riches, which is related to a Hebrew word meaning "that which is to be trusted." We cannot trust God and money simultaneously, they are both mutually exclusive. It is either we are trusting money as our source of joy, as our great love, as our whole sense of security, as the supplier of our needs or we are trusting God, you can't do both.
When you open your wallet (what's in your wallet?) or purse, give generously as the widow in our text gave, give regularly to your local church. The tithe principle can be used as a guide of how much you should give. Whatever you give make sure you give something to the work of God (see Malachi 3:8-11). Give because you want to, not because you have to because God loves a cheerful giver. The moral of this lesson is that you should learn to hold your money with a lose hand.
Tithing money was started by the Catholic Church hundreds of years after Christ's ministry.
It was not until after Constantine (fourth century A.D.) made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire that the free-will offering was replaced with various forceful means of raising money. Constantine began a huge building program, constructing churches and renovating pagan temples for use in what would become Roman Catholicism.
Prior to this time, believers did not need ornate buildings.
After all, they knew that they were the true temple of God, not some buildings constructed in the very same form as the pagan temples only with some Biblical themes added to them. They knew that all believers were priests before God. They knew about and practiced living under the New Covenant. They knew about and practiced a new way of giving.
A study of the things Constantine and his mother did to pervert Christianity would be a very worth while study.
Let’s face it. Much of the lingering root behind the sustained push for giving 10% or more of your income in the modern church is to support your minister’s salary and the many perks that go along with it (free housing, medical benefits, transportation, pension, etc.)
Tithing, or giving back to God 10% of your income every week is a false teaching used by the church, independent cults, and charlatans of every description, as a club to beat and threaten church members into surrendering ten percent of their salaries in obedience to some phantom law.
Many churches even require this for church membership.
Let me repeat: fraudulently fleecing the flock by exacting ten percent of the church members’ paycheck under fear of breaking some Old Testament law of tithing or a New Testament precept of giving back to God 10% or more of your gross income, is a despicable false teaching.
Tithing money was started by the Catholic Church hundreds of years after Christ's ministry.
It was not until after Constantine (fourth century A.D.) made Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire that the free-will offering was replaced with various forceful means of raising money. Constantine began a huge building program, constructing churches and renovating pagan temples for use in what would become Roman Catholicism.
Prior to this time, believers did not need ornate buildings.
After all, they knew that they were the true temple of God, not some buildings constructed in the very same form as the pagan temples only with some Biblical themes added to them. They knew that all believers were priests before God. They knew about and practiced living under the New Covenant. They knew about and practiced a new way of giving.
A study of the things Constantine and his mother did to pervert Christianity would be a very worth while study.
Let’s face it. Much of the lingering root behind the sustained push for giving 10% or more of your income in the modern church is to support your minister’s salary and the many perks that go along with it (free housing, medical benefits, transportation, pension, etc.)
Tithing, or giving back to God 10% of your income every week is a false teaching used by the church, independent cults, and charlatans of every description, as a club to beat and threaten church members into surrendering ten percent of their salaries in obedience to some phantom law.
Many churches even require this for church membership.
Let me repeat: fraudulently fleecing the flock by exacting ten percent of the church members’ paycheck under fear of breaking some Old Testament law of tithing or a New Testament precept of giving back to God 10% or more of your gross income, is a despicable false teaching.
Image123: i don't need to ask Him. i thought you guys teach that Christ has paid tithes already.
you don't know anything Jesus no dey pay tithe. what he did was to cancel the Jewish tithing practice. you need to come for 2 weeks crash program on bible knowledge at our church (with evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 in charge ), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary
you don't know anything Jesus no dey pay tithe. what he did was to cancel the Jewish tithing practice. you need to come for 2 weeks crash program on bible knowledge at our church (with evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 in charge ), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary
chei so you want to collect tithe but you don't want to give ba? if i don't know anything, at least i know how you feel talking about tithes.
Image123: i read it from each of you, abi tithe is not under the law again ni?
you need to upgrade your knowledge o! do you even have a bible? anyways you don't need one. evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 publications will suffice. you need to visit our bookstore ASAP! we accept both local and foreign currencies (USD, pounds, euro & yen).
Image123: i read it from each of you, abi tithe is not under the law again ni?
shine your eye very well when reading nobody said tithe is not under the law, what i read people say is that the tithe command under the law is not applicable to Christians.
Image123: chei so you want to collect tithe but you don't want to give ba? if i don't know anything, at least i know how you feel talking about tithes.
did you read me asking for tithe? i said it will cost you 10% of your annual salary wetin concern tithe for this matter?
you don't know anything Jesus no dey pay tithe. what he did was to cancel the Jewish tithing practice. you need to come for 2 weeks crash program on bible knowledge at our church (with evangelist bishop prophet Goshen360 in charge ), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary
His monthly salary will be just fine, so that our evangelist will not go and beg for money or food for one year before he gets his tithe revenue.
This is a testimony of a former tithe payer who finally knew the truth
Dear Brother Kelly,
I’d like to thank you for your work helping believers escape the bondage of tithing and the Old Testament Law.
My wife and I suffered under that bondage for 15 years until I finally took the initiative to research the claims of tithe-teachers myself. I came to the Lord when I was 21, started attending an Assemblies of God Church, and faithfully gave 10% of my gross income to that church regardless of whether I could afford it or not. Unable to afford it because my wife and I were raising 4 young children on a meager income, we started to accumulate a lot of credit card debt. We approached our Pastor at the time who told us we had to tithe, but that the church couldn’t help us out financially. We continued like this for years eventually ending up with over $30,000 in credit card debt, mostly from buying groceries.
There were many times during those years that I questioned whether Christians needed to tithe, but would always run into opposition from my wife, friends, and pastors. Several of our closest friends were Word of Faith people who operated under the fear that if they didn’t tithe, they’d be cursed.
I used to work a job in a paper mill that required me to work 6 or usually 7 days a week, so I rarely felt I had time to study God’s Word. In the long run, it cost me dearly. Eventually though, I grew disgusted with what I saw as abuse in the church as I listened to pastors preach to poor people that, regardless of their circumstances, still needed to tithe. After all, they’d say, “who knows what kind of trouble you’re saving yourself by tithing. Quit now and your life will really get tough.”
After months of careful study, compiling my notes into a book and practicing what my arguments would be, I felt confident enough to share with my wife, friends, and pastors what I had learned regarding tithing. My wife eagerly listened and eventually saw the light. Most of my friends were so fearful of not tithing that they wouldn’t see the light unless their properly ordained pastor told them they didn’t have to tithe. Most disappointing of all was the response I received from almost every pastor I spoke with---5 of them absolutely refused to discuss the issue or even look at my copious notes. Over the years, only 1 pastor of a very small fellowship read what became my book and changed his mind about tithing.
This has been a very discouraging battle for me. Prior to becoming a Christian, I was a devout Roman Catholic. You can imagine the turmoil I endured as I explained to my parents that I was leaving the Catholic Church to attend a Protestant Church. They were heartbroken and even considered not attending my protestant wedding because their Priest told them it would be a sin for them to set foot in my church. I had to leave Catholicism though. I had always questioned authority and had I not I’d still be Catholic today. This is why I have a hard time with the people I know not wanting to question tithing. Many of these friends came out of Catholicism as I had, but it’s as though, once they became protestant, they quit questioning everything. They’ll believe anything their pastor tells them.
Most disappointing of all was the response I received from almost every pastor I spoke with---5 of them absolutely refused to discuss the issue or even look at my copious notes.
I have had a similar experience with the quoted above and it also provides further proof that a good number of these charlatans that preach tithing for christians know that it is a false doctrine so they would rather not debate it with someone that has his facts right. Although we still have shameless/faceless people like image123,olaadegbu and joagbaje who deliberately and shamelessly continue to twist scriptures to justify this fraud.
^^^ I agree with you and JIL from the post above. Many of those pastors already knows they're twisting scriptures to justify tithing for Christians. I tell you my brother, the time is coming and that time is now, when the knowledge of truth will confront most of these pastors to the face by their members. Watch out!
This is one of the pastors (in the video below) who had been deceiving God's people in the pastor on tithing but when God arrested him, he had to go back to the word, that confirms the truth of the Spirit of God, for the word cannot contradict the Spirit Rhema when spoken. The pastor in the video changed his mind in obedience and started teaching the truth on tithing.
As I often say, these tithe false teachings started from the US of A and it from here that the revival for the truth and tithe captives will begin to be set free - Many Churches in the States are NOW dropping the false tithing teachings because the people already knows the truth and when their pastors teach it, they people confront them or at best, the people don't respond to lies.
), but it will cost you a token; just 10% of your annual salary