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Re: Tithes And Offerings by JIL(m): 2:23pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
Many have been deceived for too long. Read more genuine testimonies from ex-tithers below. CAVEAT: I sincerely believe in giving to the work of God and helping those who are in need as I am led by the Holy Spirit. How 14 years of religion almost destroyed my life. Click on link for more: http://www.tithing.christian-things.com/testimonies.html |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 3:19pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
@JIL Thought provoking testimonies, keep them coming |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by JIL(m): 4:29pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
Pastor Kun: @JIL Thanks. Its our duty as Christians to inform people of the gospel truth so that they are released from man-made shackles. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 5:19pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
useless testimonies, they don't even deserve that name. Folks are sharing testimonies of salvation from sin, overcoming temptation, wroughting righteousness, exceeding grace, standing up for Jesus, patience in tribulation, divine help, miracle and healing etc. Others are here glorifying poor financial management. You guys keep harping about giving more than 10% and even 100%. But your stories are tales of bitterness and great strain at giving away 10%. Giving out 10% is a burden and shackle for you but you're boasting of virtual reality giving to the poor. I'd have asked who is deceiving you, but i know. devil is deceiving you. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 6:17pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
And as i may so say levi also, who receiveth tithes payed tithes in Abraham.(heb 7:9). 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by JIL(m): 6:25pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
Image123: useless testimonies, they don't even deserve that name. Folks are sharing testimonies of salvation from sin, overcoming temptation, wroughting righteousness, exceeding grace, standing up for Jesus, patience in tribulation, divine help, miracle and healing etc. Others are here glorifying poor financial management. You guys keep harping about giving more than 10% and even 100%. But your stories are tales of bitterness and great strain at giving away 10%. Giving out 10% is a burden and shackle for you but you're boasting of virtual reality giving to the poor. I'd have asked who is deceiving you, but i know. devil is deceiving you.You failed to include testimonies relating to deliverance from the doctrines of men. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 7:18pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
JIL:you're preaching doctrines of men. Tithing is a Bible doctrine. When you become delivered, feel free to include it. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by JIL(m): 9:14pm On Feb 20, 2013 |
Image123: Cherry picker, I agree that tithing is a biblical principle given to the Jews so are the ones listed below among many others. Kindly read through and tell us which ones you have kept and vehemently defended. Not adding to the Torah commandments — Deut. 13:1 Saying the Shema twice daily — Deut. 6:7 Wearing tefillin (phylacteries) on the head — Deut. 6:8 Putting a mezuzah on the door post — Deut. 6:9 Not walking outside the city boundary on the Sabbath — Ex. 16:29 Afflicting oneself on Yom Kippur — Lev. 16:29 Not eating or drinking on Yom Kippur — Lev. 23:29 Not eating fruit of a tree during its first three years — Lev. 19:23 Not eating untithed fruits — Lev. 22:15 Separating the tithe for the poor — Deut. 14:28 Carrying out the procedure of the burnt offering as prescribed in the Torah — Lev. 1:3 Burning incense every day — Ex. 30:7 Bringing a sin offering (in the temple) for your transgression — Lev. 4:27 Paying wages on the day they were earned — Deut. 24:15 Not lending to others with interest — Lev. 25:37 Not borrowing from others with interest — Deut. 23:20 I am very certain that you don't even know what Shema or Mezuzah means, but you understand tithing even more than the Israelites because it involves money. 5 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Zikkyy(m): 9:33am On Feb 21, 2013 |
Bidam: And as i may so say levi also, who receiveth tithes payed tithes in Abraham.(heb 7:9). you people will just post a verse from the bible to show activity if levi payed tithe in Abraham, what has that got to do with christians paying tithe? or you want us to pay tithe in Abraham as well? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 10:03am On Feb 21, 2013 |
Zikkyy:everything my friend it has a spiritual connotation..but since you don't understand the principle behind tithing you have a choice not to...free will my friend...no one is pointing a gun to your head to tithe. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by JIL(m): 2:22pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Bidam: everything my friend it has a spiritual connotation..but since you don't understand the principle behind tithing you have a choice not to...free will my friend...no one is pointing a gun to your head to tithe. Are you sure? Watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLsDNxZcOa8 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Zikkyy(m): 2:30pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Bidam: everything my friend it has a spiritual connotation..but since you don't understand the principle behind tithing you have a choice not to...free will my friend...no one is pointing a gun to your head to tithe. This is the problem i have with you guys. anytime you find you've been boxed into a corner, you begin to speak in meaningless tongues oya tell us the spiritual connotation in levi paying tithe in Abraham ...or maybe that was just you making a dash for the emergency exit |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 4:52pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Zikkyy:lol, na you sabi...ever heard of ordered generations? We are not trying to establish constants by misapplying scriptures here. God uses natural acts of obedience on earth to connect us to heavenly blessing and purpose. Marriage, worship, clothing, tithing, human government, and other foundations all have their beginnings in the Book of Genesis. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Zikkyy(m): 5:30pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Bidam: Sooo, are you saying levi paying tithe in Abraham was a 'natural act of obedience'? please confirm. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 10:39pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Zikkyy: Zikkyy:nope...that is to establish proper father/son order....understanding of the "power of the tithe" connect us in order through Abraham. Levi, the fourth generation of Abraham's family was connected through the tithe. This has great significance to the order of the Church. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Boomark(m): 10:44pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Boomark: Seems this JAMB question no get answer? SMH |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 10:48pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
^^^ Do you expect him to answer the question....even with scriptures? Because there's none! But maybe we can wait for him to show his skillfulness (and honesty) in handling the word of truth. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 10:58pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Boomark:Just like saying where is it written that the christians are commanded not to tithe? "This mystery is that through the gospel the gentiles are heirs together with ISREAL, members together of one body and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.( eph 3:6). 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 11:17pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Bidam: Just like saying where is it written that the christians are commanded not to tithe? "This mystery is that through the gospel the gentiles are heirs together with ISREAL, members together of one body and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.( eph 3:6). So as ISRAEL was SPECIFICALLY commanded; The two (Israel and Gentiles) were forgotten to be commanded or instructed UNDER THE NEW COVENANT You can as well tell us to follow Israel to obey sabbath and other Jewish regulations that they still hold unto. You can then further show us where BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES are NOW commanded to tithe SINCE THEY ARE NOW ONE IN CHRIST UNDER THE NEW COVENANT/TESTAMENT or remain guilty of twisting scriptures |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 11:57pm On Feb 21, 2013 |
Goshen360:don't be puffed up bro..be careful..the Jews are still God's people.. No be me talk am na bible. "ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED"( ROM 11:25-32). 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 12:03am On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: don't be puffed up bro..be careful..the Jews are still God's people.. No be me talk am na bible.^^^ Goshen360: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 9:43am On Feb 22, 2013 |
Goshen360:we all know there is no verse where christians are commanded to tith and the tiths collectors know the truth, but my brother many ppl called themselevs into the ministry because of tiths and you expect them to just walk out on tith? No sir, these are businessmen and will rather embrase measures that will increase their profits eg 1st fruits is now the new way to flow, where you must surrender ur january salaries every year.. Now watbh out for part2(nollywood) will be to surrender ur complet salaries every month and lay @ the apostles' feet and each man will be given according to his need(s). I wonder why they never thought of this all these years. I don give them expo , abi?. Remain blessed, sir. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 10:01am On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: And as i may so say levi also, who receiveth tithes payed tithes in Abraham.(heb 7:9).who is a Lrvi in the church today? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 10:02am On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: And as i may so say levi also, who receiveth tithes payed tithes in Abraham.(heb 7:9).who is a Livite in the church today? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 10:25am On Feb 22, 2013 |
JIL:yes, pls tell us how many times you have shared the tith with STRANGERS. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 2:25pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
I believe that the principles of tithes and offerings are legitimate kingdom dynamics and their practice must be based on the principles of LOYALTY AND CONVENANT rather than blind obedience...thank you. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by christemmbassey(m): 2:54pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: And as i may so say levi also, who receiveth tithes payed tithes in Abraham.(heb 7:9).bro, who are the LIVITES IN THE CHURCH TODAY? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 2:57pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Zikkyy(m): 3:01pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: come o, this stuff you are dropping here, is it from ya pastor? which one be 'proper father/son order' again Abraham blood dey flow for Levi vein na, abi Abraham no be Levi great grand papa again? maybe you are talking about a spiritual father/son relationship which i don't understand. Bidam: you don come with this your connection talk again Soooo, tithers are not just connected through Abraham,they are connected in 'order'. if tithers are routing their connection through Abraham, just help me with this one question please; what are tithers connecting to? Bidam: Even the church get 'order'. is it tithing 'order'? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 3:08pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Over the years as I looked CAREFULLY into the 'institutionalized' church gathering. I came to conclusion there're many things to up-root from that institutionalized gathering - 1. Ignorance 2. Unbelieve 3. Disbelieve. The most dangerous is disbelieve - This is as a result of erroneous and wrong teachings which church folk have 'traditionalized' and they won't let go even at the glaring face of the truth and sound doctrine. Imagine someone telling people "levi paid tithe in Abraham" and yet, he doesn't even understand the meaning of that scriptures in context. Are Christians levites? Do we have levites within the church today? Assume we say levite still exist. They will mean the 'workers' e.g ushers, choirs, Sunday school teachers etc etc NOT the pastors of our present. In the Old Covenant, the levites will take tithe and confirmed in Heb.7:5 and given 'tenth' part to the priest; the priest will represent pastors of today. The whole argument of tithe is flawed because ALL CHRISTIANS are NOW MADE KINGS AND PRIESTS unto God. What then is this argument that 'levi paid tithe in Abraham'? - such argument is scripturally not balanced. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 3:24pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
^^^ And as a result of being entitled to collect tithes, these church workers would not be allowed to do any other work or even own property if the levite system is to be applied to the church today and they must also be able maintain the exclusive blood line of the levites as instructed by God. Any thing short of this would amount to hypocrisy. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Zikkyy(m): 3:27pm On Feb 22, 2013 |
Bidam: You have reduced your tithing practice to 'belief' now. that's good Bidam: hmmmm, no be small thing. which one be 'legitimate kingdom dynamics'? na my friend Bidam dey 'blow' grammar like this? i don see where you do the copy and paste for here ---->( http://www.kingdomnetwork.org/quienes_en.php ). This copy and paste approach will not help you. anyways, since i like the grammar, i decided to copy & paste the part you left out (see below) "The contribution of financial resources must be activated by the discernment of prophetic purpose and the nature of our mission". You see why i said you were speaking in meaningless tongues, am sure you don't understand what you posted above. 1 Like |
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