Emusan: Wernher Von Braun, the first director of NASA's Marshall Space Flight Centre, who's known "the father of the American space programme," stated in a published article in May, 1974: ' one cannot be exposed to the law and order of the universe without concluding that there must be a design and purpose behind it all... The better we understand the intricacies of the universe...the more reason we have found to marvel at the inherent design upon which is based... To be forced to believe only one conclusion--that everything in the universe happened by chance--would violate the very objectivity of science itself...... What random process could produce the brain of a man or the system of the human eyes?

They(evolutionists) challenge science to prove the existence of God. But must we really light a candle to see the sun?.. They say they can't visualise a designer. Well, can a physicist visualise an electron? What strange rationale makes some physicist accept the incoceivable electron as real, while refusing to accept the reality of a designer on the ground that they cannot conceive Him? If there's a book, then there must be a publisher; if there's a building, then there must be an architect and a builder; if there's a work of art, then there must be an artist. "lift your eyes and look to the heavens: who created all these?

Reyginus: ooman, lecture me on non-theism.

ooman:

hey, I know about von braun so dont feel important. he is not a biologist and he knew nothing about biology or evolution

he was just another christian scientist. he was not important to science.

vanstanzy: THE DEVILS' BEST AND MOST POTENT TRICK EVER, IS CONFUSING and CONVINCING HUMANITY "HE DOESN'T EXIST!"

Nice one! Pls I have a question for you; WHO IS THIS DEVIL? I was meant to understand that 'He' was an ex-arch angel(WTF is that btw), created by the All knowing god,(I guess God did not forsee that Lucifer will be a turncoat ), and has been fighting God since when? Like Eons of ages? (aparently no one is winning the battle yet).

I ask again, abeg who be devil? And when will his beef with God end? Whew!!!!

ooman:

hey, I know about von braun so dont feel important. he is not a biologist and he knew nothing about biology or evolution

he was just another christian scientist. he was not important to science.

Logicboy03: [size=18pt]4. The Paradox of omniscience[/size]


We agree that a "married bachelor" can not exist because it is contradictory and self-refuting. An omniscient God is self-refuting and contradictory.

-Omniscience means knowing all things



If God knows everything, then he can not forget because the moment he forgets, he doesn't know everything. However, if God cant forget, he then doesnt know how to remember or recollect. If he can't recollect. then there is something he doesn't know- he doesnt know how it feels to recollect or remember something.


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Emusan:

I don't need to argue with you. I just have a single prayer for you, the miracle that will make you believe that God do exist will happen in your life. IJN

brokoto: address his points, not his person. If I may ask, are you a biologist? Are you important to science?

ooman:

von braun was just a man with a position gotten by politics, scientists ignored him because the points he raised where too lowly to be debated.

I cant even believe am saying something about him.

concerning his points, YES I CAN CATCH A GLIMPSE OF WHAT THE SUN IS BY LIGHTING A CANDLE BECAUSE THEY BOTH PRODUCE LIGHT LUMINOUSLY.

brokoto: let's leave who the man is first.
You do realise that the answer you gave was not what the question was about right? Its not about whether they both produce light. Its the fact that the sun is already self luminous that you don't need additional light to see it.
Can you disprove the points he made as quoted by that post up there?

godman01: Whether you want it so or not, God Exist!

Ile-Ife:
To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to Christianity.

FXKing2012: Why should I even remotely care what atheists think about God and why would I want to understand atheists?

ooman:

why are u making a case out of nothing. I told you already that his points are useless.

read this: everyday there is a SPONTANEOUS production of new matter(helium) in stars (aka sun), there is also release of energy by explosions like the kind that produced the universe which produce light and heat. These reactions are uncontrolled and they occur everyday. in the sun, we see big b.ang occur daily and there is no god involved. this proves that god was never involved in the universe from the beginning.

sauer: Atheism is freedom in many ways.

J12: Lol. I'm yet to meet an atheist who is totally against abortion and homosexualism.

alpha_scorpio:
I'm an atheist and I'm totally against homosexuality.

ooman:

why are u making a case out of nothing. I told you already that his points are useless.

read this: everyday there is a SPONTANEOUS production of new matter(helium) in stars (aka sun), there is also release of energy by explosions like the kind that produced the universe which produce light and heat. These reactions are uncontrolled and they occur everyday. in the sun, we see big b.ang occur daily and there is no god involved. this proves that god was never involved in the universe from the beginning.

Emusan:

They (scientist) say the surface temperature of the sun is almost 4000 degree centigrade while its inner temperature is over 1million degree centigrade. Tell me what else on earth can withstand that hug amount of temperature. Yet they said some elements are present inside the sun. Then answer the, why did you believe in electron you have never seen?

Donalð Genes: Without sounding uncluttered...I want to say something simple and its laces in the form of simple direct question
1.Where do you think the Oxygen that you breathing likewise everybody comes from? From who?
2.Why do you satan is running around doing nothing but to decieve people.He Knows his time is short and reason God is letting him run around to and fro the earth is simple.his destruction is up.
3.Our God is everything you see around you including satan,all the angels are His,satan was stupid to think he wants to be like God,lemme ask you,can you be like your father,albeit,as he revolt and disoby God,God in His wiseness thought it wise to destroy him in His appointed time and that's why he is roamning the street,it doesn't take God one second to make him useless,Remember God is ever merciful,He gives us a chance to come back to Him and Worship Him and Him alone,
4.Apparently when you said it proudly you don't believe in God,then who then will you believe,Where do you eyes,the mouth,the legs and everything inherent in you,Do you think its just by chance,the food,the vegetables,the herbs in the field,the water you drink,you wake up everyday hearing people died and you still alive,Do you think you are better than those who died,have you come to think if people died where do they go? The truth is simple,God loves you and That's the reason You still alive not minding what you called Him,He is still your God,Surrender your life to christ,It is not hard,its like ABC in nursery school,God doesn't need anything from you,Its just your heart He needs,that's all,

brokoto: no it does not prove that god is not or was never involved. It does not even explain why out of the billions of planets, its the earth that has just the right conditions to sustain life. It only shows that there are some things we are only just getting to know about our universe. Do you know what the old scientists thought matter was made of? Or the old definition of an atom?
The problem with scientists, both atheists and theists alike is the fact that its difficult to get objectivity in matters relating to god. Atheists already believe there's no god so all new facts are seen with atheists coloured lenses. Likewise theist scientists.
Don't you think that the spontaneous reactions can be explained any other way? What if God set everything in motion from the beginning and these so called spontaneous reactions were only manifestations of what has been set in motion eons ago?
So, like I said THAT is NOT a proof for the absence of God.