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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by yemiakeem20(m): 1:18pm On Nov 04, 2013
I had d same experience som tym ago b4 i startd my hatchery believe m is was lostful and hat breakin, i think wot cud av happend was dat he sold left ones 4rm his previous set which mite b overaged b4 dey cud grow 2 dat lenght/size u bought. wot i tink w can do is dat u only buy fingaling of 3wks of age & are 3-4cm, so by dis u're sure u're nt buyin runts/ova aged fingerlings
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by nairamaniac: 1:42pm On Nov 04, 2013
TOKUGAWA: by the way,I use an earthen pond.I managed them very well,I mean very very well.it was not my 1st n 2nd time.the guy gave me a guaranttee abt d fish.I 1st noticed them when they started eating without growing.some times they don't finish 2 bags in a months.I called d guy,he said I shouldn't worry that my fish doesn't want me to spend a lot.I sounded ludicrous but I believed him cos I had lots of tilapia in d pond.I had reliable places I could go n buy. But I wanted to try something different due to his several writeups,comments and adverts on here.Its really painful.I don't wnt to disclose d name here as Robonski earlier said.But its not Abx1,excelsior or robonski
iv been following this thread for a longtime now. U all are doing a wonderful job. Especially robonski. This particular complain from tokugawa got my attention. I believe d best way to go about ur complain is to air the whole thing on this thread. U don't necessarily hv to abuse the guilty seller. But u shd air it out in the form of enquiring what went wrong. By calling asking the person openly on this thread and giving the person a room to explain himself. I however feel no1 wd go as far as advertising himself on this thread and delebrately selling runts to u. That's like the seller shooting his
own leg. Besides we r all here to learn.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 2:14pm On Nov 04, 2013
Like Nigerians, i would have suggested a panel of enquiry be set up, thats on a light note, to a more serious issue, first i dont know d seller,but for fairness, many things could have gone wrong, if d fishes werent eating, it could be as a result of many issues, concerning earthen mgt, many factors also counts, about runts, d idea given about could assist,but more important of all is no one will deliberately want to stain him/her self. My suggestion is why beat a dead horse, many things or factors could have come in from either side, as d op once wrote let go
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 3:11pm On Nov 04, 2013
@TOKUGAWA, i want you to send the fellow a mail or text so he can clearify himself or apologize on this forum. It could av been a mistake! The youth of this country should say no to corruption. The phrase "DO THE NEEDFUL" could mean a diffrent thing to a Minister but on this forum, it means "TRANSPARENCY". Lets not hide his identity as this will spoil buisness for other genuine farmers/buisnessmen in this forum. Its not enough to say its not excelsior, abx1, robonski... If una no wann expose am then i go...

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by waleelite(m): 4:46pm On Nov 04, 2013
soft77: stocking runts is a very big mistake anyhow u look at it , u will loose , i advise that if u have were , u buy ur fingerlings or juvenile, always go there in advance to see the fishes when thy are fries. It doesent matter if u go to ur seller and see the fries sevral times before they become fingerllings or juvenile , u can even pay part payment so the hatchry can consider urs first, that way u get to get first shooters or second shooters and also u will have knowledge of the fishes if they are sick or fish thats doing well... and for those who already got runts i made this same mistake of stocking runts last year believe me its a bad story .but i actually made little profit . so for those who had runts now what i advice . mix any good fish growth powder booster with there food , when u buy lets say coopens 15kg a bag mix about 3 sarchet of any good fish booster in the feed, this means for 5kg feed, u add 1 sachet that sells for 300 naira and also when u change there water as in concrate , tarpaulin or plastic ponds ,buy also the liquid fish booster and mix with there water when changing the water . actualy runts are fish that lacks the esential vitamins,minerals and hormones that make them grow like the shooters or we say normal fish . so they need this boosters to replace the lost minerals and vitamins and it helps kick start there growth hormnones , i tried it and after a month my runts start to grow normal . and i did not run at a lost when i sold . Am not encouraging any one to buy runts but only ofering a solution incase u are missled to buy them, better to save ur capital than loose all. the best practice is to buy shooters from reputable hatchries .
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Well said brother!

But I will advice who so ever did this selfish act to desist from it.

This thread was created to expose the hidden truth about catfish business so that the existing catfish farmers will maximise profit and grossly minimise lost.

Also to encourage investors to invest in catfish business (since all the hidden truth are been expose freely).

If the farmer that lay this complain is not a newbie in catfish business, I believe all the needful had been done to ensure he didn't loose his capital but to no avail.

People should be fair in business and it shouldn't be a do or die matter.

With honesty and patience will can make cool cash.

God Bless You All.

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by TOKUGAWA(m): 6:37pm On Nov 04, 2013
I am not a newbie,and it wasn't my 2nd time.I specialise in earthen ponds which I even construct for people.This particular stock was a special project for me.So I spent well on them,my fiance even surpoted me financially.I had to break the news to her yesterday afternoon.Now m postponning my wedding. I will be contacting the seller tonite to come here and explain himself.I am not giving up on the business,even though there's a lot of pressure on me from my woman.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 8:34pm On Nov 04, 2013
TOKUGAWA: I am not a newbie,and it wasn't my 2nd time.I specialise in earthen ponds which I even construct for people.This particular stock was a special project for me.So I spent well on them,my fiance even surpoted me financially.I had to break the news to her yesterday afternoon.Now m postponning my wedding. I will be contacting the seller tonite to come here and explain himself.I am not giving up on the business,even though there's a lot of pressure on me from my woman.



It is well my brother! May u recover all that you av lost in 100 folds in Jesus name, Amen! Pls dont give up. My question now is why a purported big name in the industry do that? Still waiting 4 his reply.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 8:35pm On Nov 04, 2013
TOKUGAWA: I am not a newbie,and it wasn't my 2nd time.I specialise in earthen ponds which I even construct for people.This particular stock was a special project for me.So I spent well on them,my fiance even surpoted me financially.I had to break the news to her yesterday afternoon.Now m postponning my wedding. I will be contacting the seller tonite to come here and explain himself.I am not giving up on the business,even though there's a lot of pressure on me from my woman.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by AdeoyeAdekunle: 9:10pm On Nov 04, 2013
D Lord is ur strength dnt giv up....u can't change wot has hapen but u can stil influence wot it is goin 2 hapenĀ“.....
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by practicalclass: 12:12am On Nov 05, 2013
Oga Robonski, welcome. Thank God for the healing.
House, please I need the name of a good fish booster like the one mentioned by Soft77.
@Tokuguwa: sorry about your lose. May it never occur again and may it turn out to blessing for you eventually with more than enough to handle your wedding in Jesus name (Amen).
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by robonski15(m): 7:09am On Nov 05, 2013
TOKUGAWA: I am not a newbie,and it wasn't my 2nd time.I specialise in earthen ponds which I even construct for people.This particular stock was a special project for me.So I spent well on them,my fiance even surpoted me financially.I had to break the news to her yesterday afternoon.Now m postponning my wedding. I will be contacting the seller tonite to come here and explain himself.I am not giving up on the business,even though there's a lot of pressure on me from my woman.

I am so sorry for all the loss and expecailly your marriage that has been shifted.. Its down right painful.. I have receieved calls and mails for us to be transparent in this house and also urging us to expose the fellow in this heinous act.. Two people have contacted me that this same fellow has also sold runts to them and they made serious losses .. But I dnt know if its the same fellow u are talking about...

In all firness let's thrash out this issue once and for all, NAME the person and let him come here to clerify himself.. And if its the same person those two people where talking about then the house will decide what to do..

Tokugawa u will surely have enough money for your wedding in JESUS mighty name Amen!!!

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by TOKUGAWA(m): 8:19am On Nov 05, 2013
Thanks all for your concern.God bless.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by omode2(m): 9:16am On Nov 05, 2013
@ Tokugawa from ur previous posts shows u are nt a newbie in ds biz and earthen ponds wt flow tru promotes faster growth rate of fishes d fishes are runts. Pls lets call a spade a spade dts why ds country is like this even though i can guess d likely person frm deducing frm amg d experts who has advertised seminar on ds thread bt i want it to come frn d horses mouth. This is wickedness and criminality of d higest order denyin u of five months pay(knwin what it cost to raise fishes) and almost ruinin ur wedding plan. Dont let us shield a criminal by tryin to b diplomatic!

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by talk2me006(m): 9:41am On Nov 05, 2013
@tokugawa! sorry for that.just dont give up.

to avoid these runt problem .it is better for us to know how we can hatch d fingerlins by our selve.
i always visited my uncle big pond farm.i always see how simple these fish haching is.
though there are many precautions you hav to be cautious of. i can safely hatch fish nw.
i promise the house, i will share the knowledge with u in due time.
with your hatching, u can control your shooteers by urself. we will hatch new fish soon.we hav started injecting them .
see the house later
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by nairamaniac: 10:04am On Nov 05, 2013
robonski15:

I am so sorry for all the loss and expecailly your marriage that has been shifted.. Its down right painful.. I have receieved calls and mails for us to be transparent in this house and also urging us to expose the fellow in this heinous act.. Two people have contacted me that this same fellow has also sold runts to them and they made serious losses .. But I dnt know if its the same fellow u are talking about...

In all firness let's thrash out this issue once and for all, NAME the person and let him come here to clerify himself.. And if its the same person those two people where talking about then the house will decide what to do..

Tokugawa u will surely have enough money for your wedding in JESUS mighty name Amen!!!



let's make this similar to jamb question and answer. No accusations intended. Just guess-work. I'm guessing the person is ayosat. The riddle seems so. There r 4 big-dealers on this thread. Ayosat, robonski, excelssor and abx1. Now if its not either of the last 3 that r wriitten here than its ayosat. And he's the biggest dealer of fingerlings and juveniles. But I also feel he has an explanation for that. That's if he's the suspect.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by robonski15(m): 10:36am On Nov 05, 2013
nairamaniac: let's make this similar to jamb question and answer. No accusations intended. Just guess-work. I'm guessing the person is ayosat. The riddle seems so. There r 4 big-dealers on this thread. Ayosat, robonski, excelssor and abx1. Now if its not either of the last 3 that r wriitten here than its ayosat. And he's the biggest dealer of fingerlings and juveniles. But I also feel he has an explanation for that. That's if he's the suspect.

I have never sold fingerlings or juvenile to anyone on this thread b4 niether has ab1x sold too.. The question is who always advertise fingerlings and juvenile on every catfish thread??.. All fingers points down to AYOSAT and AQUATIC1... Its none other than one of these two people... Tokugawa rightly said the fellow also shares inputs on this thread, and I don't think ayosat is active on this thread like aquatic1..

Mr tokugawa pls identify the person and let's thrash out issues here.. Thanks
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by TOKUGAWA(m): 11:18am On Nov 05, 2013
Its Aquatic 1,bought 1500 juveniles from him on 12th of June 2013.I had to buy juveniles not fingerlings cos Its was a special project to me.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 11:22am On Nov 05, 2013
practicalclass: Oga Robonski, welcome. Thank God for the healing.
House, please I need the name of a good fish booster like the one mentioned by Soft77.
@Tokuguwa: sorry about your lose. May it never occur again and may it turn out to blessing for you eventually with more than enough to handle your wedding in Jesus name (Amen).
aquapro & livestovit, there are many others too, your water mgt is v important also
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 11:28am On Nov 05, 2013
nairamaniac: let's make this similar to jamb question and answer. No accusations intended. Just guess-work. I'm guessing the person is ayosat. The riddle seems so. There r 4 big-dealers on this thread. Ayosat, robonski, excelssor and abx1. Now if its not either of the last 3 that r wriitten here than its ayosat. And he's the biggest dealer of fingerlings and juveniles. But I also feel he has an explanation for that. That's if he's the suspect.
since u failed d jamb question, u own ayosat a v big apology
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by nairamaniac: 11:45am On Nov 05, 2013
excelsiorfarm: since u failed d jamb question, u own ayosat a v big apology
sorry ayosat. But I actually always tot ayosat and aquatic1 and ararat are the same people. Not until now did I know they were two different people. I actually meant to say aquatic1. For he is the one that advertises fingerlings and juveniles on all threads. But to his defence. I don't think some1 that markets himself so openly and confidently wd deliberately ruin his name/cv with 1,500runts. Well until we hear frm him directly.

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Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 11:45am On Nov 05, 2013
robonski15:

I have never sold fingerlings or juvenile to anyone on this thread b4 niether has ab1x sold too.. The question is who always advertise fingerlings and juvenile on every catfish thread??.. All fingers points down to AYOSAT and AQUATIC1... Its none other than one of these two people... Tokugawa rightly said the fellow also shares inputs on this thread, and I don't think ayosat is active on this thread like aquatic1..

Mr tokugawa pls identify the person and let's thrash out issues here.. Thanks
though i have never sold fishes to anyone on this thread, but i dont see anything wrong,if others had done, provided it is good fish seed,i havnt met any of d two in question,not even by phone or email,but i think all must be done(discuss or decision) with good intention i.e. What went wrong & why it happen,GOD BLESS
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 12:27pm On Nov 05, 2013
aquatic1: For the month of may stocking

Hello catfish farmers or intending farmers, our fingerlings and juvenile over 50,000pcs is available for sale for the month of may stocking at a very reasonable prices, fingerlings ranging from 3gram to 4gram, and average length of 3cm to 4cm and juvenile ranging from 5grams and average length of 5cm to 7cm. The fish are produce from a broodstock weighing (male 1.7kg) and female ( 2.2kg), they are produce in a quiet hatchery and they are feed well to meet a good standard, they are healthy and fast growing fish. You can make a booking with us now.

Home delivery is available within or outside lagos.
Large quantity attract a discount

For more information, call 08053018934 or 07089391123. Or send an email to araratnigeria@gmail.com. You can also check our information blog www.araratnigeria..com or website www.araratnigeria.gnbo.com.ng, or ping us 25F845B8.
Or visit oloruntoba estate ilepa, by sango otta ogun state.

A trial will convince you.


This is the advert that ruin my brothers (Tokugawa) buiz. Pls Aquatic1 we need ur explanation here. I know u will get this since am following you.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 12:54pm On Nov 05, 2013
kelvin1191:


This is the advert that ruin my brothers (Tokugawa) buiz. Pls Aquatic1 we need ur explanation here. I know u will get this since am following you.
pls be fair with your comment, my reason is, i trained a woman & her daughter on catfish fingerling prodn with mgt here in ibadan & she brought her fingerlings from aquatic1,i asked before now & she also testified that they were doing great, i personally visited her twice, now the fishes are sold & she never said it was a lost. Just to put my input so whatever we say will not be to prove any supremacy or to run any down sir.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by TOKUGAWA(m): 1:43pm On Nov 05, 2013
@ Excellsior,i believe what you said, but i spoke with Aquatic yesterday.He insisted on not selling me runts,that he can swear with his life(i leave him with God).Infact when my colleagues in Isara(ijebu) saw the juveniles,they disagreed with me that they are not juveniles.Not too different from fingerlings.I didnt argue with him over that.When i started complainning that they dont eat,or finish one bag in a week,he said may be they dont want me to spend money.;Later they dont come out to feed aggressively like catfish does and that its as if i don't have fishes in the pond.He said may be i have a bigger fish in the pond that is eating them.I drainned the whole pond,didnt see a big fish.Used salt.Before stocking,i made sure pond is ok,i made sure no fish is inside and i soaked the pond with formaline for two days before flushing out.The river that supplies my pond is one of the best in my area,it never dries up be it hamathan or dry weather.There was a time i had worm issues,all his prescription didnt work until i spoke with Abx1,who helped.I know about all this things but i still love to hear from colleagues.Nobody is an island.I abandoned him when he couldnt help,like 20 of the fish died before getting here,he promised to replace when next i buy from him which i considered a bad business etiquette.Any ways,its lesson learnt.While charting with him on bbm last night ,it got to an extent he only reads my message,he didnt reply again.No single apologies from him.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 2:19pm On Nov 05, 2013
excelsiorfarm: pls be fair with your comment, my reason is, i trained a woman & her daughter on catfish fingerling prodn with mgt here in ibadan & she brought her fingerlings from aquatic1,i asked before now & she also testified that they were doing great, i personally visited her twice, now the fishes are sold & she never said it was a lost. Just to put my input so whatever we say will not be to prove any supremacy or to run any down sir.



Pls am sorry if i sound so harsh. I just wanted him to react on the issue so as to vindicate himself or apologise. I have been following/reading his comment on his website and on 2naira. com with no case of compromise. I dont know if he's aware of the situation here so i quoted him since am following him. ITS ONLY THOSE THAT LOVE YOU WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOUR MOUTH IS SMELLING which i did.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 2:57pm On Nov 05, 2013
kelvin1191:



Pls am sorry if i sound so harsh. I just wanted him to react on the issue so as to vindicate himself or apologise. I have been following/reading his comment on his website and on 2naira. com with no case of compromise. I dont know if he's aware of the situation here so i quoted him since am following him. ITS ONLY THOSE THAT LOVE YOU WILL TELL YOU WHEN YOUR MOUTH IS SMELLING which i did.
i acknowledge yr point bro, my take is we shouldnt offend in our judgment,only God & d main person can give a vivid answer, our judgment might be wrong,as an eg, someone also did an error expecting a name to be d one
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 3:10pm On Nov 05, 2013
@TOKUGAWA,bro painful, but i cant speak for him, i can only pray The Lord restores u
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by aquatic1(m): 9:50pm On Nov 05, 2013
Good evening everyone, though mr seun tooguwa pinged me yesterday, but I got a call from one of my big client that I respected a lot concerning I sold a runt fish, am so surprised that mr seun tokugawa could come on nairaland and say I sold runt fish to him, am a full christian and I can swear with my life that I did not sell runt to him,i have never sold runt, atleast ab1x has gotten fish from me, and a lot of nairalanders, though I don't have some saved chat of me and mr seun, but I remember when he's pond was infected with worm, that he pinged me, and also said it on nairaland then, before he bought the fish from me he said he will come and see them which I was happy about, until he changed his plan that he's not coming that I would send it. I have been off nairaland because I have a lot of things at hand, mr seun toguwa, pls as you said you take good kia of the fish, I need the receipt of the feeds till d day you sold them. If you can't provide that, please try and clear my name. If you can remember there was a time you told me you gave them one and half bag(coppens and multifeed)for 2months because they are not responding and I told you then that you should drain d water and be sure if you have a big fish inside the pond, or if the pond is infected you never did, the fish where even dying then, and when you received the fish they didn't die, (from iyana ipaja lagos state to shagamu ogun state in a 25ltrs, he even got the fish late that day still they didn't die,)but some days in your pond they started dying. the last time he talked to me was when d fish were infected with worm then they were 2month in august, not until now that he came with story that I sold runt, pls mr toguwa, back ur story with evidence because there was also a time you told me you are always busy because of your new job and I asked if the fish are ok and you said yes but there are times you only feed them in the morning cos most times u get home late.so please how am I to be blamed? And for robonski, I think I know your problem,the fact that I know everything about you including the bad side and I don't think there is anything wrong in trying to correct a friend cos that was what u are. I don't have time to drag issues with you. Let God judge you on what you have said about me I just believe nairalanders are wise to know who is speaking the truth.
And there is a yoruba adage that says (ojo toba deku ati banije la o ba oje) the day you stop to tarnish pple image, that's when image will be tarnished
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by REUBEN010(m): 10:39pm On Nov 05, 2013
Mr Aquatic1 has explained himself. Wat is the room's deliberation?
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by TOKUGAWA(m): 6:01am On Nov 06, 2013
Bros,I dnt wnt to argue with you cos it would pain me the more.Most of your explanations are not genuine.I am the owner of my fish,so I don't see any resason to keep the reiepts all the time,more-over I'm not new to the business.I believe in learning from well versed colleagues was the reason why I consulted n bought from you.I didn't even count the fish based on trust,even though some died on arrival. I feed them 3ce at the initial 3 weeks in the pond. Later 2ce.I never missed feeding them if that should be the case.Even after my new job,I got someone to feed them,he is a local that even knows more than me only that he doesn't have the needed capital to own his own pond.Even I have someone one else ,an adult woman that I pay a token to monitor if the guy takes care care of them.As per the worm issue,it stopped after I treated them with salt,so that's no issue at all.I am not here to spoil ur name,everyone here knows I don't want to disclose ur iddentity until I was forced to do that,even though ur attitude when I pinged u was not too good enough.I have since aCcepted my fate,life goes on.
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by excelsiorfarm(m): 7:14am On Nov 06, 2013
REUBEN010: Mr Aquatic1 has explained himself. Wat is the room's deliberation?
if u read all till now, u get possible problem,but i aint judge over any man,hence let everyman discern right, peace
Re: Hidden Truths About Catfish Business!!! by kelvin1191(m): 7:48am On Nov 06, 2013
Mr Aquatic1, the reason we calld ur attention on this thread is not to tarnish ur reputation but to hear ur own part of the story because it will be unfair if the story is one sided. Since its a business deal, we expect that both sides benefit (gain) but when its one sided, we ask questions so as to help others avoid the mistake. From Mr Robonski post, i have not seen anything wrong in his comment. Abi una get beef before? Now to Mr Tokugawa, the guy u employed to feed ur fish, how does he feed them cos i understand feeding them @ a point favours only the aggressive ones & may be problem since we dont sort in earthen pond. Am not a farmer now so u can correct me.

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