He feeds them at a particular spot,he feeds them till they leave that spot which indicates that they are fully satisfied.

TOKUGAWA: He feeds them at a particular spot,he feeds them till they leave that spot which indicates that they are fully satisfied.

nothing can change now, i will write my observation mayb in future, but let it be

TOKUGAWA: @ Excellsior,i believe what you said, but i spoke with Aquatic yesterday.He insisted on not selling me runts,that he can swear with his life(i leave him with God).Infact when my colleagues in Isara(ijebu) saw the juveniles,they disagreed with me that they are not juveniles.Not too different from fingerlings.I didnt argue with him over that.When i started complainning that they dont eat,or finish one bag in a week,he said may be they dont want me to spend money.;Later they dont come out to feed aggressively like catfish does and that its as if i don't have fishes in the pond.He said may be i have a bigger fish in the pond that is eating them.I drainned the whole pond,didnt see a big fish.Used salt.Before stocking,i made sure pond is ok,i made sure no fish is inside and i soaked the pond with formaline for two days before flushing out.The river that supplies my pond is one of the best in my area,it never dries up be it hamathan or dry weather.There was a time i had worm issues,all his prescription didnt work until i spoke with Abx1,who helped.I know about all this things but i still love to hear from colleagues.Nobody is an island.I abandoned him when he couldnt help,like 20 of the fish died before getting here,he promised to replace when next i buy from him which i considered a bad business etiquette.Any ways,its lesson learnt.While charting with him on bbm last night ,it got to an extent he only reads my message,he didnt reply again.No single apologies from him.

This same Aquatic sold 2,000 runts to us too as juveniles in July, We ended up loosing heavily after feeding them for 3 months, this absolutely is absurd and should never be tolerated, until he changes his ways please deter from him, He is a fraud !.

@ Aquatic its nice dt u have said ur own side of d story its nt fair to hear one side of d story. Even though u and robonski may have had some dealings and knw each others secret bt judging from ur antecedents in d past i think u need to work on ur personality and creadibity traits. It was ur thread(catfish farming: My story) i first read before joinin Nairaland. Bt most of what u said where doctored full of exaggerations. Its eida someone is fighting u or u are fightin someone. You dont add value before money its when u have eida seminar or fingerlings for sale dt u pop up. These are just my observations i may nt b 100percent right bt d truth is bitter i dont care whose ox is gourd even ifs robonski, Abx1 or excelsoir dt has erred.

I want to bring another light to this, now pls define a runt & we start from there?

Aquatic1 might have good fishes,no doubt.But there is a possibility he mixed it up with runts unconsciously.But since we don't have a consumer protection apparatus on this forum something has to be done as to compensate the victims.His attitude is bad,he focuses on money before service.He is not a regular on here except if there is a need to dispose his fishes or have a seminar.When i asked him a good local formula for my fish,so i can plan ahead in terms of providing funds,he said i should make orders 1st,that when i make my orders he will give me,even after ordering he still keeps telling me when they clock 3 months when i want to start giving them local,i stopped asking him due to his attitude.Later i forgot about him and turned to ABX1,who gladly helped,despite not buying anything from him.He responds to my mail asap.But my supplier never,until he feels like.

excelsiorfarm: I want to bring another light to this, now pls define a runt & we start from there?

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excelsiorfarm: I want to bring another light to this, now pls define a runt & we start from there?

Runts are (in my case) fish that has low growth rate, despite adequate feeding.

excelsiorfarm: I want to bring another light to this, now pls define a runt & we start from there?

Now let me give a break down of the issue partaining runts..

If you spawn you MUST always have classes (Hierarchy) of the fishes on each spawning.. You Must have:

1.FIRST CLASS
2.SECOND CLASS
3.THIRD CLASS
4.PASS


FIRST CLASS: they constitute 15% of every spawning.. They are also called the FIRST SHOOT OUTS.. If you stock these shoot outs and with good optimal management you will SURELY MAKE PROFIT.. If they are stocked on a concrete pond in 5 months EXPECT 1.5kg and above and on earthen 2kg and above..
NOTE: No hatchery and I repeat NO hatchery or AGENT will ever sell these set of fish to U, except its on special order or the person is downright honest in his dealings...

SECOND CLASS: these set of fish constitute 35% of the total stock.. With good management these set of fishes will do just fine.. In 5 months time expect 1kg and above in concrete and on earthen pond 1.5 kg and above!!! Profit margin is very good..

THIRD CLASS: these set of fish constitute 20% of the whole lot.. With good management in the space of five month expect 600 to 700 grms.. When a fish farmer stock these set of fish they run at a loss or they get back just the capital they invested..

PASS: these set of fish constitute 30% of the whole stock.. They WILL NEVER GROW.. When a fish farmer stock these kind of fishes they feed from now till jericho without getting result.. These set of fishes are dull, they are not active, no appetite to eat, they just hang vertically on the water.. Any fish farmer that stock these kind of fish has already run at a huge loss.. And these are the type of fish that fish farmers buy unknowingly from agents.. With good management in the space of 5months 200 to 300grms either earthen or concrete ponds...


These are secrets that most fish farmers don't know, that's why they run at losses.. In my previous post I wrote on how to identify these runts..

NOTE: when I hatch, most times I sell my first and second class to fish farmers directly knowing they will surely do well with Good management.. The third and pass I sell to AGENTS who in turn sell to fish farmers, just like the case we have on ground..

robonski15:

Now let me give a break down of the issue partaining runts..

If you spawn you MUST always have classes (Hierarchy) of the fishes on each spawning.. You Must have:

1.FIRST CLASS
2.SECOND CLASS
3.THIRD CLASS
4.PASS


FIRST CLASS: they constitute 15% of every spawning.. They are also called the FIRST SHOOT OUTS.. If you stock these shoot outs and with good optimal management you will SURELY MAKE PROFIT.. If they are stocked on a concrete pond in 5 months EXPECT 1.5kg and above and on earthen 2kg and above..
NOTE: No hatchery and I repeat NO hatchery or AGENT will ever sell these set of fish to U, except its on special order or the person is downright honest in his dealings...

SECOND CLASS: these set of fish constitute 35% of the total stock.. With good management these set of fishes will do just fine.. In 5 months time expect 1kg and above in concrete and on earthen pond 1.5 kg and above!!! Profit margin is very good..

THIRD CLASS: these set of fish constitute 20% of the whole lot.. With good management in the space of five month expect 600 to 700 grms.. When a fish farmer stock these set of fish they run at a loss or they get back just the capital they invested..

PASS: these set of fish constitute 30% of the whole stock.. They WILL NEVER GROW.. When a fish farmer stock these kind of fishes they feed from now till jericho without getting result.. These set of fishes are dull, they are not active, no appetite to eat, they just hang vertically on the water.. Any fish farmer that stock these kind of fish has already run at a huge loss.. And these are the type of fish that fish farmers buy unknowingly from agents.. With good management in the space of 5months 200 to 300grms either earthen or concrete ponds...


These are secrets that most fish farmers don't know, that's why they run at losses.. In my previous post I wrote on how to identify these runts..

NOTE: when I hatch, most times I sell my first and second class to fish farmers directly knowing they will surely do well with Good management.. The third and pass I sell to AGENTS who in turn sell to fish farmers, just like the case we have on ground..

i dey laugh, let me read other write up first

Personally I don't think all fish farmers can become a good hatcher.At some point in time we just have to buy from other specialist hatchers. Me as a person m nt realy interested in hatching. Mitsubishi supplies most of Nissan parts,GM Motors supplies 91% of daewoo n chevy parts.Honda supplies Rover. So we can not all be hatchers,or else the system will be choked up. So I cnt rili iddentify a runt.That's why I buy from reliable hatchers until Aquatic1 messed himself ip.

TOKUGAWA: Personally I don't think all fish farmers can become a good hatcher.At some point in time we just have to buy from other specialist hatchers. Me as a person m nt realy interested in hatching. Mitsubishi supplies most of Nissan parts,GM Motors supplies 91% of daewoo n chevy parts.Honda supplies Rover. So we can not all be hatchers,or else the system will be choked up. So I cnt rili iddentify a runt.That's why I buy from reliable hatchers until Aquatic1 messed himself ip.

my bro,even if any man claim to be d best hatcher in d world,but d broodstocks he has/bought or got is bad,NOTE- he will hatch failure, nothing,except that so called specialist only give his/her trainees half or no truth, but u can identify good stocks, NOTE ALSO if not well catered for or even overstressed, that most likely will b d same result

TOKUGAWA: Personally I don't think all fish farmers can become a good hatcher.At some point in time we just have to buy from other specialist hatchers. Me as a person m nt realy interested in hatching. Mitsubishi supplies most of Nissan parts,GM Motors supplies 91% of daewoo n chevy parts.Honda supplies Rover. So we can not all be hatchers,or else the system will be choked up. So I cnt rili iddentify a runt.That's why I buy from reliable hatchers until Aquatic1 messed himself ip.

Sorry for the loss and I kno by His grace u ll recoup all

robonski15:

Now let me give a break down of the issue partaining runts..

If you spawn you MUST always have classes (Hierarchy) of the fishes on each spawning.. You Must have:

1.FIRST CLASS
2.SECOND CLASS
3.THIRD CLASS
4.PASS


FIRST CLASS: they constitute 15% of every spawning.. They are also called the FIRST SHOOT OUTS.. If you stock these shoot outs and with good optimal management you will SURELY MAKE PROFIT.. If they are stocked on a concrete pond in 5 months EXPECT 1.5kg and above and on earthen 2kg and above..
NOTE: No hatchery and I repeat NO hatchery or AGENT will ever sell these set of fish to U, except its on special order or the person is downright honest in his dealings...

SECOND CLASS: these set of fish constitute 35% of the total stock.. With good management these set of fishes will do just fine.. In 5 months time expect 1kg and above in concrete and on earthen pond 1.5 kg and above!!! Profit margin is very good..

THIRD CLASS: these set of fish constitute 20% of the whole lot.. With good management in the space of five month expect 600 to 700 grms.. When a fish farmer stock these set of fish they run at a loss or they get back just the capital they invested..

PASS: these set of fish constitute 30% of the whole stock.. They WILL NEVER GROW.. When a fish farmer stock these kind of fishes they feed from now till jericho without getting result.. These set of fishes are dull, they are not active, no appetite to eat, they just hang vertically on the water.. Any fish farmer that stock these kind of fish has already run at a huge loss.. And these are the type of fish that fish farmers buy unknowingly from agents.. With good management in the space of 5months 200 to 300grms either earthen or concrete ponds...


These are secrets that most fish farmers don't know, that's why they run at losses.. In my previous post I wrote on how to identify these runts..

NOTE: when I hatch, most times I sell my first and second class to fish farmers directly knowing they will surely do well with Good management.. The third and pass I sell to AGENTS who in turn sell to fish farmers, just like the case we have on ground..

Good rightup...lets talk about broodstock.
How do we know a very good broodstock?
A fish becomes broodstock after how many months or weight?
What is wrong with just picking one of our matured fish and hatch?
Where can we get a good broodstock and the cost?
Thanks

Op from your analysis, did u check your NOTE, then are u fair? Aside that they do ok than your expectation, but dont want to prolong issues, lets focus on bringing d best out of all

ruggedcuzz:
Good rightup...lets talk about broodstock.
How do we know a very good broodstock?
A fish becomes broodstock after how many months or weight?
What is wrong with just picking one of our matured fish and hatch?
Where can we get a good broodstock and the cost?
Thanks

To me fish become brood stock after ONE year, farmers have their own different opinion concerning the age.. You can hand pick the BEST matured fishes from ur stocking before sales and keep them for some months so that u can use them as brood stock..

There are farms that specialises on brood stock production.. In lagos a kg is #1500..

excelsiorfarm: Op from your analysis, did u check your NOTE, then are u fair? Aside that they do ok than your expectation, but dont want to prolong issues, lets focus on bringing d best out of all

As long as I don't know the farmers directly..

The truth is a bitter pill to swallow..

TOKUGAWA: Personally I don't think all fish farmers can become a good hatcher.At some point in time we just have to buy from other specialist hatchers. Me as a person m nt realy interested in hatching. Mitsubishi supplies most of Nissan parts,GM Motors supplies 91% of daewoo n chevy parts.Honda supplies Rover. So we can not all be hatchers,or else the system will be choked up. So I cnt rili iddentify a runt.That's why I buy from reliable hatchers until Aquatic1 messed himself ip.

U are spot on!!! But u see u have to know the source of your fish.. You have to visit the hatchery your self to see tins for urself.. The conditions in which they are hatched and bred.. The type of brood stock they spawn with.. You have to be close with them.. U can't just make an order for some persons to bring fish for u without knowing the source..

Don't be decieved fish farming is a GAME, u must understand the rules of the game or else you loose out..

Thats in-breeding. Its beta to buy 1 of d brood stock fro different source

To me fish become brood stock after ONE year, farmers have their own different opinion concerning the age.. You can hand pick the BEST matured fishes from ur stocking before sales and keep them for some months so that u can use them as brood stock..

There are farms that specialises on brood stock production.. In lagos a kg is #1500..

@Robonski, I got it

@HOUSE
PLEASE WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF USING COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?

WHATS THE EFFECT OF APPLICATION OF BLAGDON IN COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?

CAN BLAGDON ANT-FUNGI BE APPLICABLE IN PLASTIC AND COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?
IF SO WHAT QUANTITY CAN BE APPLIED TO A 1000LITRES PLASTIC POND

@ EXCELSIOR
IVE ACTUALLY SEEN A 10,000 LITRES STETCH COLLAPSIBLE POND. PLEASE WHATS THE BEST CAPCAITY OF JUVENILES TO STOCK ?

oscarvicto: @HOUSE
PLEASE WHAT ARE THE DISADVANTAGES OF USING COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?

WHATS THE EFFECT OF APPLICATION OF BLAGDON IN COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?

CAN BLAGDON ANT-FUNGI BE APPLICABLE IN PLASTIC AND COLLAPSIBLE TANKS?
IF SO WHAT QUANTITY CAN BE APPLIED TO A 1000LITRES PLASTIC POND

every drug has its prescription of use, collapsible is recent in comparison with others. Like every such material i blieve with time there will be wear & tear, definitely not instant,depends on folding, dragging & handling,but it should be in years.u can use your chemical mixed with water first

oscarvicto: @ EXCELSIOR
IVE ACTUALLY SEEN A 10,000 LITRES STETCH COLLAPSIBLE POND. PLEASE WHATS THE BEST CAPCAITY OF JUVENILES TO STOCK ?

for d 2000/2500 litres plastics, 200 could be ok,when target is table size, your collapsible,i recommend 700 fishes max ,d more d room d better for u & d fishes , reduces carnibalism, diseases outbreak, faster or better growth, i guess better stability & durability for your tank

i curently have juvenile 4 sale in ogun state 2347058783845,07038458563,08032500818

robonski15:

U are spot on!!! But u see u have to know the source of your fish.. You have to visit the hatchery your self to see tins for urself.. The conditions in which they are hatched and bred.. The type of brood stock they spawn with.. You have to be close with them.. U can't just make an order for some persons to bring fish for u without knowing the source..

Don't be decieved fish farming is a GAME, u must understand the rules of the game or else you loose out..

i never knew fishfarming is GAME, but biz to keep a name. I guess those playing games are d ones trying to knock themselves out as opposition

robonski15:
PASS: these set of fish constitute 30% of the whole stock.. They WILL NEVER GROW.. When a fish farmer stock these kind of fishes they feed from now till jericho without getting result.. These set of fishes are dull, they are not active, no appetite to eat, they just hang vertically on the water.. Any fish farmer that stock these kind of fish has already run at a huge loss.. And these are the type of fish that fish farmers buy unknowingly from agents.. With good management in the space of 5months 200 to 300grms either earthen or concrete ponds...

robonski15: NOTE: when I hatch, most times I sell my first and second class to fish farmers directly knowing they will surely do well with Good management.. The third and pass I sell to AGENTS who in turn sell to fish farmers, just like the case we have on ground..

excelsiorfarm: Op from your analysis, did u check your NOTE, then are u fair? Aside that they do ok than your expectation, but dont want to prolong issues, lets focus on bringing d best out of all

robonski15: Don't be decieved fish farming is a GAME, u must understand the rules of the game or else you loose out..

excelsiorfarm: i never knew fishfarming is GAME

Wow!!

PS:
@robonski15 thanks for
still revealing the truth anyways. 'Must have been daunting.

BUT @ALL please! I feel if any buyer, be he an agent or a fish farmer asks for 1ST CLASS and pays for it, he should be given 1ST CLASS!
If he asks for 2ND CLASS and pays for it, he should be given 2nd class.
And if he asks for 3RD CLASS or PASS and pays for it, he should be so given!
But giving someone farmer or agent PASS when he has paid for SECOND CLASS is criminal!
If you can't sell whatever class he is asking for, simply tell him so!

datz true bt those agents always buy as low as #5, and when i av farmers dat ar wiling 2 pay #10 then i sell them my best seeds and then sell d rest 2 the agents. simple

The way out of this mess is not only to know the source of your seeds but to buy fingerlings. If para venture, they didn't perform as expected within the next 2 to 3 months, you can easily call the market women to come and buy them. I've stated it in my previous post on this thread that farmers should try and get fingerlings and rear it up to Juvenile. It takes just two weeks to do that. Whether you like it or not, you can't rule out runt whenever you hatch, even if you rear your fish up 6 months(Grow out), there is no way you will not have a fish less than 1KG.

@all, how i do i avoid infections after feeding maggots to fishes

ab1x: The way out of this mess is not only to know the source of your seeds but to buy fingerlings. If para venture, they didn't perform as expected within the next 2 to 3 months, you can easily call the market women to come and buy them. I've stated it in my previous post on this thread that farmers should try and get fingerlings and rear it up to Juvenile. It takes just two weeks to do that. Whether you like it or not, you can't rule out runt whenever you hatch, even if you rear your fish up 6 months(Grow out), there is no way you will not have a fish less than 1KG.

Seconded!!! Fingerlings is preferable to juvenile except you know the source of the juveniles..