neocortex:


You were fooled, there is a hidden tape playing in the background.

ghostofsparta:
- UNINTENDED RESPONSE WAS MISTAKENLY POSTED HERE -

Desyner:

Good morning.

ghostofsparta:
Good morning Panda

Desyner:
I edited my initial post made.

ghostofsparta:
Where ?

Desyner:
I was wondering if u could share some insights regarding a form of money ritual where the victim's success always coincide with or leads to success of the oppressor. I strongly suspect such around me and wouldn't mind ur your opinion if any.

Desyner:
I was wondering if u could share some insights regarding a form of money ritual where the victim's success always coincide with or leads to success of the oppressor. I strongly suspect such around me and wouldn't mind ur your opinion if any.

oweniwe:
Ghostofsparta

Pls reply to the above post

ghostofsparta:

Haven't had the time until now...
I am not sure which one of you asked to know my opinion regarding a situation where a male who after having intercourse with women continues to remain stagnant while said females experience an upsurge in blessing. Well, first of all...that has entirely nothing to do with MR whatsoever. All what the male concerned need do is to have his 'Ori' re-aligned, that is - his metaphysical makeup re-tuned in order to make his own remain his own and not that which others tap from. He's not the only one who has his 'Ori' altered, there millions of people who are as a result of the things we do that sets us offtrack from the assigned/chosen path of our individual 'Ori'.

Desyner:
I was wondering if u could share some insights regarding a form of money ritual where the victim's success always coincide with or leads to success of the oppressor. I strongly suspect such around me and wouldn't mind ur your opinion if any.

Desyner:
@ghostofsparta
Let me try and rephrase.
I was wondering if you could shed light on the form of money ritual or medicine where the good fortunes (e.g a new Job) of the person being sacrifized or victimized will coincide or - to put it in a more direct form - lead to success for the one doing the money ritual (the oppressor).

oweniwe:


I asked the question.... After about a week.... No response... I thought you were done with the thread so I cleared the post.

Thank you for your response.

You're right that The question is not really about Money Ritual but the thread, being spiritually inclined, should be able to fit the question.

Your answers seems like parable to me cos I can't fully understand some parts.... Below....

1. what the male concerned need do is to have his 'Ori' re-aligned, that is - his metaphysical makeup re-tuned....

How do one retune ori? I assume if a man has some bad vices or acts ... Like he's a cultist ... And he wants to free himself from cultism... Re-tuning of ori may apply here.... But in this case, the man has absolutely no vices. Only a soft heart which makes it somehow easy to penetrate into his being when emotions are involved.


2. things we do that sets us offtrack from the assigned/chosen path of our individual 'Ori'...

Since the man doesn't do negative stuffs? Can you give examples of things that can set one off track?

Or could someone (a diabolical parent/subbing/friend) looking for who to use for mild money ritual .... Somehow used spiritual means to Temper with the man's ori making it "leaky"? .. (Pls use this scenario as case study)

3. If I want to tap into a woman's ori for her blessings during sex, is there any way one can do it without ritual... i.e ... By projecting some mental thoughts on the woman for example?

tope33:
I need dis wasted 20minutes of my life back please!!! I have a problem with Irunmale and co, cos i never get to see a physical proof! Just the usual tales and spirituality..

ghostofsparta:

generally males undergoing circumstances that defy usual 'solution through divination' process are required to se-Fa and subsequently te-Fa within which the dos and don't that are specific to him will be revealed, his taboos would be explained and why, as well as whatever rites that are necessary would be done

oweniwe:


Deep inside me... My mind tells me ... It is only people who have done one ritual/incantations or the other that have taboo.

Unfortunately... In life, no one can ALWAYS BE TOO CAREFUL. at one point or the other, a taboo will unavoidably be broken.

That reminds me of the story of a guy who was jobless for long... His "successful" friend introduced him to one baba who asked him to drop money for a live snake and return in a week time.

At the end of the week, the baba have the man a belt, nail and clay dish. He asked the guy to keep the belt under his bed and place the dish on the floor under the belt and must serve akara on the plate every night... Simple task? Isn't it?

So guy did as baba said. At the midnight, the belt would turn to snake, eat the akara and turn back to belt. Bobo started making serious money via contracts he knew he doesn't have to execute.

So about 2 years later.... One day.... day..day.Rain fell all day. When it was in the night, guy realized he didn't have akara in the house so he got into his car and started driving around looking for akara to buy but cos of heavy rain and subsquent flood, he couldn't find akara to buy. He shrugged and drove back home... Shebi it's one night... I'll buy double akara tomorrow to make up. He went to bed and dozed off

At midnight... The belt turned to snake.... It didn't see akara on the dish....

Next day, guy woke up feeling movements in his body... He checked under the bed... He couldn't find the belt again. He hurried to baba with weird movement feeling inside his body.... Baba said when the snake didn't see akara, it got angry and entered body. ... Baba says it would be impossible to get the snake out as it now prefers it's living​ host to the akara it used to eat before.

A week later... Guy started vomiting blood and died...!!...

That's basically what taboos does to those who take them upon themselves. ... One can observe a taboo for ten years but a day will certainly come when one will unknowingly, unfortunately and haplesly break the taboo. .... And you can never know how grave the consequences will be.

So doing consultations to find one's taboos is like looking for trouble. I have a distant uncle whose taboo is not to cross under vertically hanged wire lines. ... One day... In hurry, he unknowingly crossed under one with and fell seriously sick afterwards.

Fetish matter is not child play. At the end of the day.. no matter how careful one have been for years... One small mistake will throw person into frying pan.

The gods don't forgive.

ruderalph:
Can anybody explain what is that deadly repercussion to the oshole tutu... because I'm aware that it is a give and take situation,whereby the onisegun will not tell the person that's need the charm.
And also when there are conditions(would there be?) and if the conditions are missed. What would really happen

ghostofsparta:

I am in total disagreement with your conclusion on taboos as based on the make-believe story you narrated except for the one that involved your relative. My deliberate usage of the term 'taboo' isn't suggestive of the scenarios you cited or similarly related to, I used it in order to imply a required act of discipline for certain conditions specific to the taboos of your 'odu' to be satisfied by adherence because for as long as it is satisfied one destined path would be fulfilled in due time. I could have employed the term 'condition' but I didn't want to. I intentionally used taboo, but you mistaken it for taboo in it generic meaning. In respect to Yoruba esotericism, I will say there are two kinds of taboo with their respective varying dynamics. The taboo you are referencing is only exclusive for those who seek short-cut means to a solution (isegun) which is different from the revealed taboo specific to the Odu that begat the Ori of the male who is being initiated into the Ifa spirituality. The one you cited don't require or involve divinities 95% of the time as it is purely craft of manipulating aphorized axioms with natural matters to bring about intended result, an ageless craft that has being tried and tested by our unknown ancestors passed down over the generation i.e. isegun (but mostly gleaned from Ifa body of knowledge) while the other taboo involved both i.e. isegun but as prescribed by the divinities involved/concerned regarding the matter/problem/issues to be solved/fixed/cured/reversed etc. .

ghostofsparta:

I am in total disagreement with your conclusion on taboos as based on the make-believe story you narrated except for the one that involved your relative. My deliberate usage of the term 'taboo' isn't suggestive of the scenarios you cited or similarly related to, I used it in order to imply a required act of discipline for certain conditions specific to the taboos of your 'odu' to be satisfied by adherence because for as long as it is satisfied one destined path would be fulfilled in due time. I could have employed the term 'condition' but I didn't want to. I intentionally used taboo, but you mistaken it for taboo in it generic meaning. In respect to Yoruba esotericism, I will say there are two kinds of taboo with their respective varying dynamics. The taboo you are referencing is only exclusive for those who seek short-cut means to a solution (isegun) which is different from the revealed taboo specific to the Odu that begat the Ori of the male who is being initiated into the Ifa spirituality. The one you cited don't require or involve divinities 95% of the time as it is purely craft of manipulating aphorized axioms with natural matters to bring about intended result, an ageless craft that has being tried and tested by our unknown ancestors passed down over the generation i.e. isegun (but mostly gleaned from Ifa body of knowledge) while the other taboo involved both i.e. isegun but as prescribed by the divinities involved/concerned regarding the matter/problem/issues to be solved/fixed/cured/reversed etc.



Nigeria is indeed finished with the way everyone are all about every short-cut means to acquire money. The thread is intended ONLY to enlighten some folks about the reality of this sub-branch of a branch of the believe system that cut across most West African territories which used to be obscured and frowned against in olden times, and also to deter people who might be contemplating to indulge in it.

Again the specialists in it don't do it for themselves or their beloved ones, why should you. This thread doesn't exist to encourage it.

Know this bro, all Osholes and Awures inherently comes with inevitable repercussions due to its metaphysical origin and primordial nature (refer to first page where I explained this) and don't forget repercussion is different from condition and consequence. All three may be synonymous in some context of the English usage but in Yoruba esotericism, there are different, I hope to write a thread on them one day as they relate to the Yoruba supernaturality.

Word of advice, stay away from Oshole and Awure, go for 'Asiri-bibo'.

ghostofsparta:

I am in total disagreement with your conclusion on taboos as based on the make-believe story you narrated except for the one that involved your relative. My deliberate usage of the term 'taboo' isn't suggestive of the scenarios you cited or similarly related to, I used it in order to imply a required act of discipline for certain conditions specific to the taboos of your 'odu' to be satisfied by adherence because for as long as it is satisfied one destined path would be fulfilled in due time. I could have employed the term 'condition' but I didn't want to. I intentionally used taboo, but you mistaken it for taboo in it generic meaning. In respect to Yoruba esotericism, I will say there are two kinds of taboo with their respective varying dynamics. The taboo you are referencing is only exclusive for those who seek short-cut means to a solution (isegun) which is different from the revealed taboo specific to the Odu that begat the Ori of the male who is being initiated into the Ifa spirituality. The one you cited don't require or involve divinities 95% of the time as it is purely craft of manipulating aphorized axioms with natural matters to bring about intended result, an ageless craft that has being tried and tested by our unknown ancestors passed down over the generation i.e. isegun (but mostly gleaned from Ifa body of knowledge) while the other taboo involved both i.e. isegun but as prescribed by the divinities involved/concerned regarding the matter/problem/issues to be solved/fixed/cured/reversed etc.



Nigeria is indeed finished with the way everyone are all about every short-cut means to acquire money. The thread is intended ONLY to enlighten some folks about the reality of this sub-branch of a branch of the believe system that cut across most West African territories which used to be obscured and frowned against in olden times, and also to deter people who might be contemplating to indulge in it.

Again the specialists in it don't do it for themselves or their beloved ones, why should you. This thread doesn't exist to encourage it.

Know this bro, all Osholes and Awures inherently comes with inevitable repercussions due to its metaphysical origin and primordial nature (refer to first page where I explained this) and don't forget repercussion is different from condition and consequence. All three may be synonymous in some context of the English usage but in Yoruba esotericism, there are different, I hope to write a thread on them one day as they relate to the Yoruba supernaturality.

Word of advice, stay away from Oshole and Awure, go for 'Asiri-bibo'.

oweniwe:


You're right. The biblical Samson's taboo of not shaving his hair came to my mind as I read through. That one definitely isn't ritual cos it was specified at him before he was born.. unlike others that take on such in adulthood.

I'm so sorry I didn't see your angle earlier. No be my fault nah.. our minds have been conditioned to think everything "fetish" is evil. I will give your post a thought & get back to you.

Thanks

I thought.... You know... Even Samson .... Though he didn't break his taboo on his own.... Delilah seduced him and got the Philistines to shave off his hair.

The thing I'm not comfortable with is... Taboo... Whether ori/eleda/soul specified or oshole/ritual specified... If you don't break it knowingly or unknowingly ... Another person (ones wife , friend, enemy, brother or child) can 'help' one break it as in case of Delilah-Samson.

This brings up the question of whether it is worth it for a person to know his 'ori' specified taboo... Cos what you don't know cannot hurt you.

If Samson didn't know his taboo, he wouldn't have suffered & died that way... Eyes plucked out, premature death et Al... In the same vein, if he didn't know his taboo, he would have been shaving his hair as a kid... He wouldn't have done those mighty works.... And the Philistines might even be oppressing him with taxes & levies.

Now taking the scenario personal..... I'm wondering... Is it worth it for someone to know his ori taboo? Cos what you don't know cannot hurt you as badly as it would hurt if you knew it and knowingly/unknowingly break it.

Is it not better to patiently wait for one's appointed time to come for one to prosper instead of digging out a taboo that will most likely kill one later?