imhotep:

@4Him + davidylan
Protestants ARE NOT good protestants just because they can criticize catholics - who compiled and approved the bible that the protestants are using. The Catholic church is 2000 years old. What makes you think your attacks will make any impact?

imhotep:

Love of God is proven in DEEDS, not sweet words, feelings or arguments.

davidylan:

ENOUGH about this puerile and baseless allegations of "attacks".

davidylan:

Open the bible bro and lets use that as a yardstick for a civil discuss not hiding behind your finger while claiming to have been attacked.

davidylan:

- The catholics compiled the bible and we thank them for that . . .

davidylan:

credit must however God to God Himself without whose inspiration on our apostolic fathers, jewish prophets of old the bible would not have been possible to compile and approve in the first place.

davidylan:

Love of God isnt proven in DEEDS. sir please read your bible well. It is like saying salt without rice is no food. Salt alone is useless . . . u need it to spice up your food but it is not food itself.

davidylan:

Imhotep . . . there are issues on ground,

davidylan:

mary . . . penance, purgatory, confession

davidylan:

. . . rather u choose to hide behind the skirts of semantics.

imhotep:

They have been around for 2000 years. And will be around long before we are all gone. Its no use running on the wrong road.

imhotep:

Hiding behind the bible and 'sola scriptura' (by scripture alone) cannot also save you or anybody. We have seen that 'sola scriptura' cannot support itself.

davidylan:

is that why neither you nor lady can find it in the very bible you "compiled"?

davidylan:

The bible is the sole authority on issues that pertain to the christian faith.

davidylan:

To accuse others of hiding behind the bible to explain BIBLICAL CONCEPTS is absurd.

imhotep:

And what was the sole authority before the bible was compiled?

imhotep:

Not absurd. Very very true. You hide behind a bible that you cannot defend.

davidylan:

the scrolls of the prophets, the books of Moses

davidylan:

and the letters of the disciples and apostles that today make up the bible.

davidylan:

Funny.
I will henceforth not reply any of your posts because i see them as deliberate attempts to side step the issues. I'm not in for a fruitless brickbat.

davidylan:

I'll rather wait for those who are interested in talking about the words of God Himself.
Carry on hyperventilating about latin words.

imhotep:

The scribes and the pharisees read these and rejected Christ.

imhotep:

Good. Now, go and do something useful - like visit the sick and dying and those in prison.

imhotep:

BTW. The word 'Trinity' does not appear in the bible. Why do you believe/defend the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity?

davidylan:

You're doing the same.

davidylan:

You can do this all your life and still go to hell in your sin.

davidylan:

I don't defend it as a doctrine, i believe it as truth. Same God in three different manifestations. No big deal there.

imhotep:

Matthew 25:34 - 40
34. "That is when the King says to those from his right, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom that was destined for you from the foundations of the universe.
35. " 'For I was hungry and you gave me to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me to drink. I was an outcast and you took me in.
36. " 'I was naked and you clothed me. I was ill and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me. '
37. "Then the saintly will say to him, 'Our Lord, when did we see you hungry and we fed you, or you were thirsty and we gave you drink?
38. " 'And when did we see you an outcast and we took you in, or when were you naked and we clothed you?
39. " 'And when did we see you ill or in prison and we came to you?'
40. "And the King replied and told them, 'Amen, I am telling you, that whatever you do for one of these my little brethren, for me you have done that.'

imhotep:

Once again, go and do something useful with yourself. Rather than argue about a bible whose origins you do not really know.

imhotep:

But it is not explicitly stated in the bible. It was defined and defended by the Catholic bishops with the Popes.

imhotep:

Neither can we find 'sola scriptura'.

davidylan:

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

14 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,

16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?

17 So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.

19 You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.

20 Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?

22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.


23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

24 See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

25 And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by a different route?

26 For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

davidylan:

The origin of the bible is not important.

davidylan:

2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Read your bible again . . . it is.

Matthew 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

2 Corinthians 13: 14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.


We don't need the popes to tell us what is clearly written in the scriptures.

davidylan:

2 Timothy 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

imhotep:

James 2:14-26 =>

imhotep:

Because you disregard it, you spend your time endlessly analyzing the bible and getting nowhere. You will soon break away from your local church and go to start another cantankerous bible-misquoting sect. Same pattern.

imhotep:

The word 'Trinity' is not mentioned in any of these Passages. Neither do they allude to the concept. Now, please deny the Trinity.

imhotep:

The bible was compiled and approved about 320 years after Paul wrote this to letter Timothy. So, which scripture was Paul referring to??


Obviously here, and in most references to "the Scriptures" that we find in the New Testament, Paul is speaking of the Old Testament; so if this passage is going to be used to set the limits on inspired authority, then the entire New Testament will be excluded.

davidylan:

the scripture you hang unto to defend your false claims of works being more important than salvation?
Here is an analogy - salvation = common entrance to secondary school, works = first yr exam to progress to yr 2 in secondary school.

You can take the 1st yr exam from now till next yr, if u don't pass the common entrance you will never be a bonafide student.

the hallmark of heretics and shallow christians is their persistent reluctance to read the bible rather prefering to bury their heads in religious dogma. Similar to the pharisees of old.

davidylan:

The word "trinity" is an english word. English was not in existence 2000yrs ago so we don't expect to find "trinity" in the bible.
The concept trinity claims to describe is one that is readily found in the scriptures.

davidylan:

Paul is evidently also speaking about the gospels his own letters and that of the other apostles to the churches. So we cannot exclude the NT.

~Lady~:

It truly amazes me how someone who claims the Bible to be the word of God uses it to contradict the itself.
The Bible is not contradictory, your misinterpretation of it is.

imhotep:

Now you are giving me extra-biblical explanations. This is not acceptable.

Luke 6:46 => "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' but not do what I command?"

Jesus' words => "It is not those who call me "Lord, Lord" who will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father."

1 Corinthians 9:27 => "But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection: lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway"

imhotep:

TRINITY is still not in the bible. I am waiting for you to deny the Trinity, then we can continue discussing.

imhotep:

This is your own dogma. Davidylan's dogma
This is why you should go back and CAREFULLY study the history of the bible.

imhotep:

The scribes and the pharisees read these and rejected Christ.
These were scattered and had to be compiled by the Catholic bishops in the Synod of Hippo in 393 AD.
Good. Now, go and do something useful - like visit the sick and dying and those in prison.

davidylan:

Imhotep, mark my words . . . these very words will haunt you on the last day when you realise the wool had been over your eyes all along. However it is my fervent belief that you will see the light pretty soon.

davidylan:

I showed you three verses that clearly identify the concept of one God in three offices in the bible. Let he that will be blind be blind still.

davidylan:

No wonder you have a very rudimentary knowledge of the scriptures. You are too busy reading history.

OLAADEGBU:

Enough of the boasts that the Roman Catholic church compiled the Bible. Read in the weblink below of the real intention of the organisation.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/kjb_from_catholics.htm

davidylan:

same ol' same ol'. When they run out of excuses to support their unbiblical verbiage you start seeing escapist attempts to cry about "attacks", "contradictions" and "misinterpretation".

davidylan:

- kindly tell us why NO ONE in the bible mentioned Mary as the "ark of the covenant".
- Kindly show us where Paul and Peter preached about penance.
- Kindly tell me why purgatory also has a fire of torment if it isnt the same as hell.
- Kindly tell me why confession is made to priests when the apostles of the bible CLEARLY talked about praying (not forgiving) for their brothers with faults.
- Kindly tell us why your own special "Christ" asks you to PAY FOR YOUR SINS in purgatory when Jesus Christ went to the cross and claimed "it is finished".

Madam, it is not enough to accuse others of contradictions, it is not enough to deceitfully accuse others of misinterpretations when you run out of gas. Kindly show us all the above in the bible since you claim it isnt contradictory . . .

davidylan:

and please don't use imhotep's usual escape route - 'Sola scriptura'

imhotep:

Show us where TRINITY is written in the bible. Yet, your ENTIRE belief system is based on the Trinity.

When the Qu'ran can be proven without trying to prove other books as false, come back and try to convert me
When the Qu'ran can prove itself without standing upon the Bible (the book that it labels as corrupt), come back and try to convert me.
Until then, keep your opinion to yourself.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him

You can take the 1st yr exam from now till next yr, if u don't pass the common entrance you will never be a bonafide student.

- The catholic church is a bible-misquoting sect . . . (Mary worship, penance, purgatory).

Paul is evidently also speaking about the gospels, his own letters and that of the other apostles to the churches. So we cannot exclude the NT.

The word "trinity" is an english word. English was not in existence 2000yrs ago so we don't expect to find "trinity" in the bible.
The concept trinity claims to describe is one that is readily found in the scriptures.

kindly tell us why NO ONE in the bible mentioned Mary as the "ark of the covenant".

Kindly show us where Paul and Peter preached about penance.

Kindly tell me why purgatory also has a fire of torment if it isnt the same as hell.

Kindly tell me why confession is made to priests when the apostles of the bible CLEARLY talked about praying (not forgiving) for their brothers with faults.

Kindly tell us why your own special "Christ" asks you to PAY FOR YOUR SINS in purgatory when Jesus Christ went to the cross and claimed "it is finished".

Madam, it is not enough to accuse others of contradictions, it is not enough to deceitfully accuse others of misinterpretations when you run out of gas. Kindly show us all the above in the bible since you claim it isnt contradictory . . .

and please don't use imhotep's usual escape route - 'Sola scriptura'

~Lady~:

Wow you just said what we've been trying to say all along.
Catholics don't make faith less important and we are not saying that works without faith is even anything. We are saying that works of the faith is what God is asking us for. What good will it be to tell me sister eat well and you provide me not with food. What am I supposed to eat well? my hands, my flesh? That's what God is talking about. Have faith in him, but honestly doing works in that faith is what he askes of us.

When walking to church you come across a beggar, what should you do? Walk past him and tell yourself all I need to do is have faith in God to get to heaven? Or give him some money to buy food or clothes and tell him about Christ and then head to church or beter yet, take him to church with you?
If you choose the first, then you have dead faith, if you choose the second then you have living faith.