thelastPope:

What is stup1d about the question? What is stup1d here is that in 2013, billions of naira of businesses will be shut down because one woman died! Even the queen of England will not be buried like that. Who is she? Most people in Lagos didnt even know she existed until one week ago! You come here to defend a barbaric and meaningless act just because you have to defend Tinubu yet you will quickly jump to other thread and criticize other people. Shame on your blatant hypocrisy!

Dudu_Negro:

How many billions were shut down in businesses few days ago when MASSOB declared sit at home for the death of criminals floating down ezu river?

OAM4J:

She was not just the mother of Tinubu, long before Tinubu became known, joined NADECo, became a senator and later a governor, there was a powerful Iyaloja of Lagos, Alhaja Abibat Mogaji.

You might need to read up on the functions and powers of an Iyaloja though.

A lot of people think she became influential because she was Tinubu's mother whereas this woman had been dining with kings and head of states long before Tinubu became anything.

Afam4eva:
If she was the head of the market then it may be understandable but i want to know if the market people were forced or they just chose to...For instance, if i sell tomato in a market and i choose to go to the market on that day, what will happen?

Dudu_Negro:

How many billions were shut down in businesses few days ago when MASSOB declared sit at home for the death of criminals floating down ezu river?

Afam4eva:
That MASSOB did it doesn't make it right and i condemned Massob's action not because it's not right to honour the dead just like this case but the fact that people are threatened to do so or else...

Dudu_Negro:

Can you deny that the action of MASSOB brought about a new awakening for the Igbo identity? No, you cannot! The internet was flooded with Igbos who acclaimed the action as a unifying rouse and a new motivation for their spirit.

Constitution is a guide for the social order but it does not address everything in society. Should we include a statute in our constitution about Iyaloja in Yorubaland? Should we draft a "sit-at-home" clause for the constitution? We will be a joke of the democratic world. Thanksgiving is a time when businesses in US shut down but we cant find a "Thanksgiving Statute" anywherw in their constitution. Humans make laws. Laws are derivatives of our social exchanges. The law on Iyaloja is customary and rooted in the land, unless the Obas say otherwise, no President or Governor or Constitution can change it.

thelastPope:

You always claim you are civilized and that you are an intellectual, yet you keep posting backward stuff like these. Please read the topic of this thread again and tell me if there is any word like massob there. If you cannot defend something with good reason, simply pass instead of exposing yourself. So if massob commit a crime, you will go and commit it too? Isnt it you and your likes here that like insulting FG and people from other places for such impunity? What moral right do you have to criticize anyone anymore after all these your series of posts? Shameful

Ola Johnson: Our culture and tradition just have to be upheld. Simple.

Afam4eva:
If you think the constitution does not address everything in the society then you're withing your right as a Nigerian to take your case to the National Assembly. Until then, the constitution is supreme to any emotional and pedestrian law.

thelastPope:

It proves absolutely nothing. This your 19th century theory is nothing but laughable! Nobody owns anywhere. I repeat, nobody owns anywhere! Wake up from your slumber. You live in a one room face me I slap you apartment and come to a public forum claiming you own Lagos. Oya, go out on the street now and enter any shop and pick whatever you like and walk away, because you own Lagos...

You only own the lean change in your bank account and the 4 pairs of Jeans hanging by your bed and that tokunbo TV you picked up from Ladipo, nothing else! Stop deluding yourself! The owners of Lagos are anyone, no matter the tribe, who has made enough money to buy a cool Land in Ikoyi or Lekki phase 1 or Palmgrove Estate, Alaka Estate, Ogudu GRA, Ikeja GRA, etc and runs an office on the Island or Allen avenue. That is how to own Lagos. Not this your poverty strikken ownership theory you are spewing here. The whole world has moved past that. Dont Nigerians in the UK fight for their rights and become leaders of society? Havent Nigerians in America become mayors? You better slap yourself 3 times and go wash your sleepy face so you can wake up to reality...

Dudu_Negro:

Inter-personal exchanges cannot be contained in a box. It swings. When you throw out a thought it feeds counter thoughts which are thrown back. There is no limit to how far or broad one can go to borrow experience to illustrate a point. There is no protocol on Nairaland that says i cannot use the MASSOB's "sit at home" experience as a counter thought to what you said about loss of income on market closure to respect Iyaloja.

Think next time before you throw your thoughts out....it feeds counter thoughts.

thelastPope:

Just like the culture and tradition that Boko Haram are advocating. Do you know it is actually a tradition for someone to go on a Jihad and kill others?

thelastPope:

Baseless and futile rigmarole. Your reference to Massob only exposed your bigot ways!

stick to the topic joor and stop flip-flopping! The next time someone offends you on the street, take them to the Oba. Why do you even bother to go to school? Your tradition says you should be tending a yam farm in your Ijebu village. Yeye

Dudu_Negro:

Lmao. Thank you. I will think about the farming option, i love yams very much.

Ola Johnson: If the Igbo could observe the sit-at-home order declared by MASSOB in the SE in far away Lagos, then their complaint that the closure of markets in honour of the Iyaloja as being bad holds no water.

thelastPope:

Honestly, you guys have no shame, it is pathetic. One minute, you are talking about modernization, the other minute, you are talking about mausqurades closing down markets and women banned from the streets. Why cant you make up your darn minds. You claim you are educated but reason like a motor park guy. Very sad!

thelastPope:

stop being a tribalist my friend. Where did you hear that it is Igbos that are complaining. Are all the shops in Lagos owned by Igbos? Are all those who couldnt buy food since morning Igbos? Your tribalistic head cannot think straight again! Sad

Dudu_Negro:

Modernization is not the same as urbanization.

Britain has continously modernized its cities. New York has continously modernized its cities and laws. None of the two has yet to jettison its cultural institutions.

Urbanization on the other hand, like when you migrated from village to come live in the city, you had to start putting on clothes and talk like city people and eat like city people and act like city people. You abandoned your old village backward ways.

You need to enroll in my academy so i can school you on social values. You speak english but you are a stark illiterate when it comes to the structures ofsociety.

ilugunboy:

So far ..no Yoruba man or woman is complaining .....like I keep telling you..it's a Yoruba culture in a Yoruba land..learn to respect it for mutual benefit and peaceful co-existence otherwise you will regret it if you go against it...no constitution whatsoever will defend you.

It will be stupid of me as a Yoruba man to go or do anything against Omenala ndi Igbo in Igbo land.

thelastPope:

Where did you do the poll that showed no Yoruba man is complaining? You never stop to spew this your falacy. The last time I checked, ACN did not get 100% votes in any state. They lost Ondo, Got less than half the votes in both Oyo and Ogun and you keep spewing this fake propaganda that claims you are speaking for the Yoruba. ACN even lost some LGAs in Lagos and had to rig. Speak for yourself bro. You cant even speak for your family not to talk of Yoruba as a whole!

ilugunboy:

Well the onus is on you to show who are complaining....Yorubas know without being told or force that they have to observe such a closure...to them losing one day profit in honor of their leader aren't big deal....

thelastPope:

You just use the word Yoruba indiscriminately as if Yorubas only reside in Isaleko!...

The Egba man does not even flow with the Ijebu man, yet you keep saying the Yorubas. You are a joke!...

thelastPope:


Can you please mention one British cultural practice that infringes on peoples fundamental rights? I am waiting!

Dudu_Negro:

It depends on your classification of "people".

Some Britons will tell you there is nothing wrong observing Sunday as a public holiday and closed for business. Other Britons will say no they want Friday as business free day, yet another section will say Saturday should be the businness free day.

The custom of the land is Christian based and so everyone must observe the Sunday business free day regardless of your desire or belief.

In America the constitution calls for secularism and Govt must not be involved in religion, yet Sunday, the Christian holiday, is business free day.
Some States in America even forbids sell of alcohol on Sunday, being the holy day.

These work arounds a constitution is part of what a social contract is. You will never address of everyone's issues but above everything else you must address the particular custom of native laws, whatever has been adopted as the native law.

You guys can shout all you want and holler from now till eternity.......if you want customs in Lagos changed you need to start lobbying the Oba. Thats truth!

ilugunboy:

You keep drifting from the issue..obviously your understanding of the Yoruba culture is very limited..very limited iindeed...Yoruba and its culture is very homogenous..with very little difference ...but the core traditions and beliefs are basically the same.

Stick to what you know and understand....that way you can speak confidently...

Dudu_Negro:

It depends on your classification of "people".

Some Britons will tell you there is nothing wrong observing Sunday as a public holiday and closed for business. Other Britons will say no they want Friday as business free day, yet another section will say Saturday should be the businness free day.

The custom of the land is Christian based and so everyone must observe the Sunday business free day regardless of your desire or belief.

In America the constitution calls for secularism and Govt must not be involved in religion, yet Sunday, the Christian holiday, is business free day.
Some States in America even forbids sell of alcohol on Sunday, being the holy day.

These work arounds a constitution is part of what a social contract is. You will never address of everyone's issues but above everything else you must address the particular custom of native laws, whatever has been adopted as the native law.

You guys can shout all you want and holler from now till eternity.......if you want customs in Lagos changed you need to start lobbying the Oba. Thats truth!

thelastPope:

It proves absolutely nothing. This your 19th century theory is nothing but laughable! Nobody owns anywhere. I repeat, nobody owns anywhere! Wake up from your slumber. You live in a one room face me I slap you apartment and come to a public forum claiming you own Lagos. Oya, go out on the street now and enter any shop and pick whatever you like and walk away, because you own Lagos...

You only own the lean change in your bank account and the 4 pairs of Jeans hanging by your bed and that tokunbo TV you picked up from Ladipo, nothing else! Stop deluding yourself! The owners of Lagos are anyone, no matter the tribe, who has made enough money to buy a cool Land in Ikoyi or Lekki phase 1 or Palmgrove Estate, Alaka Estate, Ogudu GRA, Ikeja GRA, etc and runs an office on the Island or Allen avenue. That is how to own Lagos. Not this your poverty strikken ownership theory you are spewing here. The whole world has moved past that. Dont Nigerians in the UK fight for their rights and become leaders of society? Havent Nigerians in America become mayors? You better slap yourself 3 times and go wash your sleepy face so you can wake up to reality...

Afam4eva:
This your comment reeks of ignorance. Tell me why people of the seventh day adventist go to church on saturday instead of sunday. That's because it doesn't infringe on anyone's rights.