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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Semisolasola: 9:24pm On Dec 05, 2019
Also this hospitals and doctors what and what did they send as correspondence after payment?
Sorry for the plenty questions cos this is a new update here after a long time..
okoji:
Update:

Refused based on "not satisfied I will leave at end of stay". Will process a refund of my hospital deposit. Goodluck to everyone
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Candybright: 9:49pm On Dec 05, 2019
okoji:
Update:

Refused based on "not satisfied I will leave at end of stay". Will process a refund of my hospital deposit. Goodluck to everyone
Whew
I really don't understand these CAN Vo.
They could have just saved everyone the stress and only issue that update to people that they know that qualify for the visa and what's left is just the hospital payment stuff. It's annoying really. They are SOOO MEANNN mtchewwww.
Why suffer people when you know that come rain come sun, the person doesn't even qualify. I'm not surprised anyways, I know that's what they will do. Let's see how many people they will give. That's if people will even comeout to talk .

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Candybright: 9:56pm On Dec 05, 2019
NothingDoMe:
I saw the request by the embassy to provide proof that formal arrangements have been made to pay for health services in Canada. I noticed that they mention hospital administration and regional health authority.

My questions. Will payment to the hospital meet this requirement? Is the hospital administration and regional health authority one and the same? If they are not the same then how does one get official documents from the regional health authority?

That one is what we don't know but one mind keeps telling me that paying to hospital has more weight than doctor.
They even said its CERTIFIED health authority.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Semisolasola: 10:10pm On Dec 05, 2019
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Candybright:

That one is what we don't know but one mind keeps telling me that paying to hospital has more weight than doctor.
They even said its CERTIFIED health authority.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 5:25am On Dec 06, 2019
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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 6:26am On Dec 06, 2019
I may want to disagree,this is new and no one can know anything for sure,every analysis will just be based on assumptions and mere speculations
I know someone who got the visa after the correspondence,I met her at the vfs office on the day I went to submit my app,she was beaming with smile and I knew instantly she got the visa,I walked up to her to ask her what and what she did,it's no different from what everyone have done here,not everyone is on nairaland.Also it's almost impossible for everyone to get in touch with whatever head authority,If we go by this logic it means 99% wouldn't get the visa cos we are not gonna have access to whatever head authority not even from Nigeria..ordinary to get doc and Hosp sef is hard,how much more "oga patapata"...
Intl Patient are not displacing residents that's why Hosp have quotes for intl patients
There are many other factors
The influx of people going to Ontario people should try other provinces
The idea of one agent using one Hosp or doc for gazillion people and many more.

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 8:47am On Dec 06, 2019
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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Hotstepper(f): 12:18pm On Dec 06, 2019
Hospital like this will never take intm.patients just like most in like sick kids etc down therw cuz they r mainly specialist hospitals and trust me, i bet no one can even afford it if theh r to take. someone's child was taken to sick.kids for example after birth cuz of breathing problem for a little over 2 weeks, her bill was 40kCAD. Those hospital in downtown md environs are for mainly serious cases etc




Bluefin:


The truth is that we can all say what we want to say. But there’s evidence there are some hospitals who have begun excluding international patients for the purpose of preventing a resident from being displaced. The hospital is not saying you cannot pay. They are saying capacity may be an issue if your care is non urgent. They specifically mention pregnancy. You can also google this topic as it appears to be hot in canada now.
Evidence: this article is precise and explains a lot and I invite everyone to please read it.
http://health.sunnybrook.ca/navigator/international-patients-what-care-cant-be-bought-at-the-hospital/

This is still the same for that hospital today as I had originally email to ask for quotes. Also please note that I never implied that someone who submits a receipt will not get a visa. I simply said it will not be solely based on that decision. After all the lady that was just denied was denied for ties to return back home and not financial situation.

Also note that the same applies to all the hospital as in that network. Like she said it is not solely based on being able to pay the hospital. It goes far beyond that. You should also have asked this lady who was approved what her profile is.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Hotstepper(f): 12:21pm On Dec 06, 2019
Na wah oo..Me i just feel the embassy dis this to kind of have more reasons to refuse people. if someone has paid hospital.and have more than enough fund to cover emergencies, why refuse again?


Bluefin:
Guys, I had a conversation with my sister in-law who is a surgeon in canada and when I told her what was going on with people applying for visas. She said if anyone is issued a visa after the correspondence the decision is not based solely on the receipt or whatever you attached.

Apparently a Canadian Health authority means the leader of the network for the hospital you plan to use. She said there are like just 9 networks in Ontario and she doesn’t think there’s any network leader that has time for something like that. And that infact if you go to the network they will probably say they consider residents first because they would not like a non resident to displace a resident of health care. (In terms of bed space and doctors availability)

She also mentioned that she suspects that hospitals are doing the self pay thing on their own and it’s not really something being discussed as a network.

She said it’s like going to a local government or state ministry of health in Nigeria to give you a letter that you will use a particular general hospital and that arrangements have been made for how the network will receive their funds.

She concluded by saying that a person will be very lucky to get the visa after they make the payment and this will not be why they got their visa. They will get the visa based on the normal circumstances they would have reviewed a visa application in addition to the funds that the person had to make such hospital payments.

Also I just noticed someone else in the visit thread got rejected even after full payment. You can go through that thread I think it’s the last page.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Maymai: 1:30pm On Dec 06, 2019
Good day house

I have a relative who plans to come early next year to deliver. She has an existing multiple entry visa that was granted prior to her getting pregnant

Should she expect any trouble at the POE given that she's travelled to Canada before (for family visit) without incident? Is it better for her to carry cash to explain her ability to pay for medical costs? She was planning on just bringing a credit card with available funds but I'm not sure that's a good idea

Your advice would be appreciated
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 3:27pm On Dec 06, 2019
It’s beyond d just paying,gettting receipt and attaching.the letter says “competent health authority”
Paying almost all funds and attaching receipts shows desperation.we might think it’s impressibe but I don’t think it impresses..let’s see how all this unfolds..we are all speculating and making assumptions at the end of the day
Hotstepper:
Na wah oo..Me i just feel the embassy dis this to kind of have more reasons to refuse people. if someone has paid hospital.and have more than enough fund to cover emergencies, why refuse again?


Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 4:33pm On Dec 06, 2019
She should be well prepared with enough cash,and be ready to defend herself
Maymai:
Good day house

I have a relative who plans to come early next year to deliver. She has an existing multiple entry visa that was granted prior to her getting pregnant

Should she expect any trouble at the POE given that she's travelled to Canada before (for family visit) without incident? Is it better for her to carry cash to explain her ability to pay for medical costs? She was planning on just bringing a credit card with available funds but I'm not sure that's a good idea

Your advice would be appreciated

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by NothingDoMe: 6:32pm On Dec 06, 2019
There's been a lot of awesome responses.

I can sense an undertone in the embassy letter requiring assurance that payment would be made especially in the event of an emergency. What if the applicant deposited $20,000 to $30,000cad with the hospital even if their bill is is way less? This would show that you truly have the funds to give birth in Canada. Except the hospital is not ready to accept excess payments then you can ignore.

Also stating that you have for $60k for birthing and you go ahead and deposit a meagre $500 won't sit well with me if I were a VO. It is one thing to have a lot of money to cover birthing in Canada and it's another thing for you to be willing to spend that amount of money for birthing.

This move by Canadian immigration would reduce birth tourism and those who would default on hospital bill payment.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 7:16pm On Dec 06, 2019
I don’t think it’s realistic to drop 20 to 30k CAD to prove that you have the funds,infact to me it’s shows you are desperate and don’t truly have the funds hence the need to pay a large sum to of money..what about other expenses??
NothingDoMe:
There's been a lot of awesome responses.

I can sense an undertone in the embassy letter requiring assurance that payment would be made especially in the event of an emergency. What if the applicant deposited $20,000 to $30,000cad with the hospital even if their bill is is way less? This would show that you truly have the funds to give birth in Canada. Except the hospital is not ready to accept excess payments then you can ignore.

Also stating that you have for $60k for birthing and you go ahead and deposit a meagre $500 won't sit well with me if I were a VO. It is one thing to have a lot of money to cover birthing in Canada and it's another thing for you to be willing to spend that amount of money for birthing.

This move by Canadian immigration would reduce birth tourism and those who would default on hospital bill payment.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by NothingDoMe: 8:00pm On Dec 06, 2019
Demicoker:
I don’t think it’s realistic to drop 20 to 30k CAD to prove that you have the funds,infact to me it’s shows you are desperate and don’t truly have the funds hence the need to pay a large sum to of money..what about other expenses??
Isn't it more likely that someone who deposits a fraction doesn't have the funds? Remember it's just a deposit that would be refunded if all goes as planned.

Anyways let's leave the 20kcad aside. How about making full upfront payment to the hospital for the quoted bill? Is this okay with you?
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 9:01pm On Dec 06, 2019
Still not realistic to me, pay a deposit,wait for when everything is over then pay your balance..this is a more responsibile approach..the embassy to me seem like they want people who can own up to their responsibility going for birth tourism
NothingDoMe:
Isn't it more likely that someone who deposits a fraction doesn't have the funds? Remember it's just a deposit that would be refunded if all goes as planned.

Anyways let's leave the 20kcad aside. How about making full upfront payment to the hospital for the quoted bill? Is this okay with you?
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Smarthill18(f): 10:37pm On Dec 06, 2019
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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Smarthill18(f): 10:39pm On Dec 06, 2019
I'm still looking for a hospital. I got same message and deadline for submission is on 13th December
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Demicoker: 1:00am On Dec 07, 2019
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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by NothingDoMe: 12:24pm On Dec 07, 2019
Demicoker:
Still not realistic to me, pay a deposit,wait for when everything is over then pay your balance..this is a more responsibile approach..the embassy to me seem like they want people who can own up to their responsibility going for birth tourism
You do understand why I suggest that applicants make full payment right?

I believe paying a fraction of the initial stated fee for birthing without the embassy required documents(from regional health authority and hospital admin) reduces your chances of getting that visa.

I mean I ask you to bring documents that shows you've made adequate arrangements to pay your bills and you go pay 10% and present me a receipt ONLY. How will I know that you will pay the bills especially if it escalates beyond the initial agreed amount?

How?

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Pendragon1: 10:40am On Dec 11, 2019
“”Canada is very strict with ttavel travel history. That is one country that if you have never travelled out before, it would be very difficult to get their visa. I have not seen anyone without ttavel history get a canadian visa( i stand to be corrected though). “”.


And hello I can correct you on that, ur wrong
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Semisolasola: 2:58pm On Dec 11, 2019
You haven’t seen doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.you mean to say millions of people applying on a daily all have travel history and the ones that don’t have won’t get it
What of those oldies or young folk first timers? Or are you limiting it to only birthing?
Pendragon1:
“”Canada is very strict with ttavel travel history. That is one country that if you have never travelled out before, it would be very difficult to get their visa. I have not seen anyone without ttavel history get a canadian visa( i stand to be corrected though). “”.


And hello I can correct you on that, ur wrong
Pendragon1:
“”Canada is very strict with ttavel travel history. That is one country that if you have never travelled out before, it would be very difficult to get their visa. I have not seen anyone without ttavel history get a canadian visa( i stand to be corrected though). “”.


And hello I can correct you on that, ur wrong
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by jaymegas: 3:49pm On Dec 11, 2019
Good evening all. Please what is the easiest way to download the forms IMM5645 AND 5257. Been trying all day. Please help a sister
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by jossy404: 12:12am On Dec 12, 2019
Download it and save it to your desktop first. Then open it from your desktop......hopefully you have Adobe reader on your PC

jaymegas:
Good evening all. Please what is the easiest way to download the forms IMM5645 AND 5257. Been trying all day. Please help a sister

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by jacksparow(m): 1:04pm On Dec 12, 2019
Hi,

I would suggest @okoji ( whose visa was rejected that she may not return afterwards) engage the services of an immigration lawyer not consultants....use google to check ones with best reviews. They can review your docs and even appeal your case in a federal court.

Secondly, with the rate of denial, am thinking ppl should "buy" medical insurance as an added bonus to what u are paying/ depositing to hospitals.

The logic behind it is medical insurance can cover from $25k to $100k or more. If the embassy see u have bought private medical insurance and u have a strong account bal after u mist have paid advance to the hospital, am sure u will be granted visa. ( just my thots will try it next year though)

Someone from the UK last year I know bought med insurance of $500 got into Canada and had an emergency... She was rushed to a hospital and the insurance paid for everything cause she had early labor.

Thing is many private insurance won't cover maternity costs like prenatal and childbirth... But if u have an emergency and need attention to deliver, it covers it....

Except someone that understands how it works can educate me pls.

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Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Semisolasola: 5:11pm On Dec 12, 2019
Hmmmm,one success story on this thread will change the outlook of this birth tourism
Patiently waiting..
We shall testify soon
jacksparow:
Hi,

I would suggest @okoji ( whose visa was rejected that she may not return afterwards) engage the services of an immigration lawyer not consultants....use google to check ones with best reviews. They can review your docs and even appeal your case in a federal court.

Secondly, with the rate of denial, am thinking ppl should "buy" medical insurance as an added bonus to what u are paying/ depositing to hospitals.

The logic behind it is medical insurance can cover from $25k to $100k or more. If the embassy see u have bought private medical insurance and u have a strong account bal after u mist have paid advance to the hospital, am sure u will be granted visa. ( just my thots will try it next year though)

Someone from the UK last year I know bought med insurance of $500 got into Canada and had an emergency... She was rushed to a hospital and the insurance paid for everything cause she had early labor.

Thing is many private insurance won't cover maternity costs like prenatal and childbirth... But if u have an emergency and need attention to deliver, it covers it....

Except someone that understands how it works can educate me pls.

Re: Giving Birth In Canada by jaymegas: 5:48pm On Dec 12, 2019
Thanks @Jossy404 . It I was able to download. Please after filling the forms do I print and sign manually and then scan and upload?


jossy404:
Download it and save it to your desktop first. Then open it from your desktop......hopefully you have Adobe reader on your PC

Re: Giving Birth In Canada by jossy404: 4:18am On Dec 13, 2019
If your Adobe has electronic signature or docusign you can do that electronically otherwise sign manually and scan

jaymegas:
Thanks @Jossy404 . It I was able to download. Please after filling the forms do I print and sign manually and then scan and upload?


Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Semisolasola: 2:00pm On Dec 17, 2019
Cold house
We are all patiently waiting
God will surely favour all preggy moms waiting for approval.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Franeby: 4:54pm On Dec 17, 2019
Amen!!!




quote author=Semisolasola post=84989826]Cold house
We are all patiently waiting
God will surely favour all preggy moms waiting for approval.[/quote]
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Esomimi: 8:28pm On Dec 17, 2019
Good day all,

Please I have a question. I recently got my application for Permanent Residence approved and I intend to land in Canada in February. My due date is in the first week of April and i won't have insurance cover then. Please does anyone know of any midwifery service I can access before delivery? All the ones I have contacted are full.
Re: Giving Birth In Canada by Nobody: 10:49am On Dec 20, 2019
See how everywhere is just quiet!! This Canada people and their slow application processing. I am leaving for Toronto in a few weeks. Please if there is any mama delivering in Toronto you can PM me let us brainstorm together.

@esomimi i advise that you get to Canada first before trying to find a midwife. I am sure they will want to see the person first.

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