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Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by EfemenaXY: 8:16am On Aug 08, 2013 |
yellowpawpaw: Na lie I talk? It's common knowledge that these "Alawuru" churches that spring up like mushrooms everyday target vulnerable people. A woman trying to conceive like @OP here is a prime candidate / victim for these unscrupulous 'pastors' and their ilk to prey upon. chaircover: I always try to see the good in people first unless I have any reason to doubt you. vanitty: Please follow her Honestly, I don't get you ladies! Why bother going to such places if there's the slightest inkling or doubt about how authentic such 'churches' and their activities are? Why put one's self in potential harm's way?? 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 8:47am On Aug 08, 2013 |
I am with Efe jor, I hate pretending. Why should someone be forced to do what they don't want just to please a Mother In Law? Nigerians are fond of that, then go behind and start mumuring. The solution to any problem of fertility is in a hospital with a qualified Doctor and scietifically proven methods, not with any fake chop money fake miracle baby farm pastor. I just taya abeg. 2 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 8:48am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Efe you put yourself in harms way deliberately to make Mother In Law happy. Remember to smile and grin all the way even when you are clearly uncomfortable |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:19am On Aug 08, 2013 |
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Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:28am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Is the Pastor a Doctor? Do they have a lab in the church? What is she going there to do? Can't we link the growing baby factories and "miracle" babies they sing every time? Let the Poster and her husband go and see a Doctor, know what is wrong and find a solution rather than jumping from place to place. Those fraudsters will finish them and waste money they could have used for actual help in the process. Religion is the worst thing Oyibo gave us, it has taken all our sense away. Talking about these fradusters aka fertility pastors is a lesson for another day. They offer no spiritual help abeg, only suck you dry. God gave us medicine to use it and help us. God gave Doctors breakthrough. How is a Sweet talking Pastor more qualified to help in fertility treatment than a Doctor who trained and has practiced for years? If she was confortable will she be here opeing a thread? Christ died so we could have free access to him and not have to go through any pastor. God has already answered prayers by giving Doctors the knowledge. Why are infertile oyibo people who brought us the relgion not jumping from prayer house to prayer house trying to concieve? 4 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:33am On Aug 08, 2013 |
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Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:38am On Aug 08, 2013 |
I didn't make up my mind, I asked valid questions, and I oversee a parastatal and I say factually that most miracle babies in churches are from baby farms. Most of the fake testimonies on fertility in churches are either purchased or silently from IVF. I asked if the church was a lab? Where do they produce babies from and dash people? I will say it without mincing words, Pastors who promise babies have no right to do so. God gives babies and not through agents. God has helped Doctors and Lab Technicians identify problems and find solutions utilise it. I also asked why oyibos who brought us religion are not jumping from prayer house to prayer house. 3 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:41am On Aug 08, 2013 |
bellong: I want to assume you understand the doctrines of Christ. If the church does not conform to the teachings of Christ, forget it. However, to give unto Ceaser his due, in cooperation with your husband, you can follow her.Gbam |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by bellong: 9:44am On Aug 08, 2013 |
debrief08: I didn't make up my mind, I asked valid questions, and I oversee a parastatal and I say factually that most miracle babies in churches are from baby farms. . Though, the church may be bastardised that doesn't mean God is no longer perform miracles and that He doesn't use men anymore. The essence of spiritual gifts is for benefit of the church. Not all men have strong faith hence the need to join hands with either their pastors or brethren with like mind. Do not let the fraudulent ones make you completely dismiss what God can do through his prophets. they will only pray for breakthrough and not give her baby as you think. |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:51am On Aug 08, 2013 |
The post is clear, the poster is not going there to seek spiritual guidance she is there because they specialise in "helping childless couples". She belongs to a church am sure and she can pray and get spiritual comfort in her church or even at her home. I asked why Oyibos who brought us the christianity are not running from prayer house to prayer house seeking for "fruit of the womb" no one has answered me. 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 9:52am On Aug 08, 2013 |
What Prophets abeg? The ones spreading half truths and gathering money from miracle seeking people to buy jets? 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by bellong: 9:59am On Aug 08, 2013 |
^^^^^ Not those ones... I only made a statement and not particular about the lady in question. They may be few but there are still men of the spirit left. There will always be remnant in Isreal. |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 10:59am On Aug 08, 2013 |
@ Debrief Of course there are fake churches all over the place. Howvere, this does not in any way change the fact that God has not withdrawn His gifts on His genuine ministers. Yes God gave doctors the knowledge with which they are operating in. But He does NOT require the services of any doctor when He wants to do what He wants to do. Maybe you can refer me to the name of the specialist that Sarah, Hannah, Samson's mother or Elizabeth in the bible used to cure their infertility. I'm not against people visiting doctors but I cringe when so called prophesing christians act like all medical problems lie with doctors who God gave "knowledge. So what happens when you faced with a condition that has no medical solution? Then you remember God right? Or what about couples who have been certified fit and there is no medical reason for their infertility? May we never find ourselves in situations where doctors are clueless or handicapped as to our plight. Let's not forget king asa in the bible who sought physicans and didn't seek the lord in his aiment and who died. @poster, though I am wary of such places. Why don't u pray and go. Be sensittive to your spirit and if you aren't comfortable, leave and don't compromise your faith 3 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 11:11am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Still haven't answered my question oh. The people who brought Christianity to us why are they not jumping from miracle center to miracle center in search of fruit of the womb? Most of you live abroad because the structures work and proper medical equipments, please help me answer if the places you live when a couple haven't concieved in 2 years they will start looking for miracle center abi they will go to hospital first. I stand by my words, less than 1 percent of the miracles they sell can be substantiated 3 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 11:20am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Your argument can only stand if you can prove that everybody abroad who sought good medical treatment have kids together. Isn't there too a rise in infertility abroad? |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by coogar: 11:22am On Aug 08, 2013 |
debrief08: Still haven't answered my question oh. make that 0% more often than not, the pastors sleep with these women during the so called spiritual deliverance. i have read and heard so many stories to even believe any pastor in nigeria. they are all rogues - they give the women something to drink and the next thing is they have dreams of strange men sleeping wïth them and gbam, they become pregnant! i would personally kick my wife's teeth in if she ever agrees to such nonsense. if any pastor cannot come to my house and pray, then he should leave us alone. i'd rather wait for the right time than get a baby from iroko tree. religion has eroded the common sense of the average nigerian. they don't even serve God, all they care about are miracles! 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 11:24am On Aug 08, 2013 |
1. They are honest about their infertility and open about every process they go through 2. Here we lie, steal or buy babies, sleep with prophets and go and stand on the altar and lie through our teeth. 3. We do IVF and come and lie that it was during a church program when the pastor prayed that we concieved. 4. We help in concealing and decieving others to believe a lie instead of being honest and decent so that we could help others focus their resources and energy better. 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 11:36am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Who buys the thousands of babies produced at baby farms? On this Nairaland we read "testimonies" daily of women who were "pregnant" for 2 years, no medical report because scan doesn't "see" their own pregnancies, yet they go give birth in one church. And people flood shouting halleluyah. Also yesterday the one about the "wombless" pastors wife, someone smart (last page) posed basic questions like am doing now instead of answering logically, people will be beating around the bush. Its simple, even Jesus when he healed made sure his miracles could be substantiated, why do we find it hard to do the same? Why the half truths? Yes, God steps in and does wonders but let people say the whole truth. If you did IVF say it, God made it successful, but you go and cry and cry to Doctor, then after years of childlessness you have multiple birth (5 eggs are normally fertilised to minimize failure so most times more than one survives) then you come and lie openly that it was "Papa" who prayed |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by coogar: 11:39am On Aug 08, 2013 |
well - the churches in nigeria are filled with hypocrites and pretenders. there was a video that went viral few years ago about a pastor ramming a woman that looked like a housewife. i am 100% certain she was being "helped" to get a child in what they would later tell us was a "spiritual deliverance"... 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 11:44am On Aug 08, 2013 |
Thank You Coogar, serve God for what na? Love and care for the poor, why? No na, take away the promises of miracles and money doubling and see how many of the people who flood all these places will still serve God. Our own brand of Christianity no dey dictionary. It is to double our money, dash us big cars, cause conflict and wars, kill our enemies and excuse our own deliberate sins |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 11:56am On Aug 08, 2013 |
If you think that Jesus miracles were accepted in His day, then that's a big lie. They too doubted Him. And yes miracles don't make logical sense. Never have and never will. And for the records, I am not in support of people going to prayer houses because people do lots in the name of christianity. The Word of God can be applied by any and everybody. If I have an issue, I mustnt necessarily go to my pastor but I can meet any christian brother or sister and pray the prayer of agreement. However, I'm not God and wouldn't castigate any person or judge anybody that claims she got pregnant by believing God or through a pastor praying. What I simply ask myself is "is God able to give a wombless woman a child genuinely". I then praise Him for that. so if the testifier is lying, He has God to contend with. Than to risk talking down a genuine miracle done by God. 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 12:01pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
Why should I support lies and hypocrisy? Why would I support a system that leads people to spend their money and time believing something that is a lie? Why won't I encourage an open trustful system where people in the same situation can access the same help I got? Why lie and pretend in the name of God? When did it become wrong to ask logical questions? |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 12:09pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
I get irritated when people say "take away mriacles and see how many people will stop serving God" For the records you can separate christianity and miracles. Being a christian and bornagain is in itself a miracle. Inshort salvation is the biggest miracle ever. How many people doubt or ask for evidence that God has accepted a murderer who prayed the prayer of salvation and was instantly made a new creature. Is it because we don't see in ths spirit what happens when a sinner comes to God. If only you know then you would understand that a wombless woman giving birth is nothing compared to it. This reminds me of the story in the bible where Jesus told a lame man that his sins are forgiven and the people shouted. He said "which one is easier, to say your sins are forgiven or rise up and walk". But we have turned it upside down. We never doubt the power of God to save but we doubt His ability to heal and perform miracles |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 12:12pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
Neither are you God to know who and who is lying. There are fakes but you aren't God's policeman commisioned to detect fakes and genuine people. You still haven't answered my question. What is the fate of those with no medical solution? |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 12:15pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
Lol, Its easy, People who testify should substantiate it with medical reports, that's all. Like the "wombless" woman, no medical report or doctor interviewed on the womblessness. Promoting a lie is NOT Christianity I don't have to be God to see and know an obvious lie, You say were wombless and you don't show any report, newspaper carries the news no doctor spoke. Its common sense. You don't have a child for years and then have multiple births its simple. |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by coogar: 12:18pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
uche13: Neither are you God to know who and who is lying. There are fakes but you aren't God's policeman commisioned to detect fakes and genuine people. You still haven't answered my question. What is the fate of those with no medical solution? they should accept their fate and not expose themselves to scammers who take advantage of them |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by mazaje(m): 12:22pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
bamboke: Since when has praying into oil ever made any one pregnant na?. . .Nigerians sef. . . 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by uche13: 12:45pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
You weren't in the church. News reporters gave their report which maybe sketchy. I don't know if its true or not but your mind is already made up that it is fake. You read a testimony and the first thing you do is to judge. Haba! Your mind is already set maybe based on ur expereince. But your experience does not determine God's word. My fiancee recently had an outstanding health testimony which was 100 percent God. I wanted to shhare it here to bless people but when I remembered all the stress and unbelief here, I just tire! 1 Like |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by vanitty: 1:01pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
All this discussion about fake miracle or whatnots is irrelevant to this topic I believe the poster asked from a Christian perspective Poster, read James 5 : 14 - 15, now I am not saying you or hubby is sick but the verse is relatable to this situation in that at times we may need people to pray for us. One more thing, we have atheist, people that don't believe in God/miracles etc so you will always get this or that advice. Are you a christian? Do you believe in Miracles? Speak to your hubby and both of you should go to the church. Don't make something that is not an issue into something huge. Advice is free and from different people with different outlook to life. Be wise and choose which one you adhere to. |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by Nobody: 1:03pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
Lol, only in Nigeria will demanding for honesty become "unbelief". Anyway, I will hold the truth any day. It is simple, abeg let me enjoy my family. Poster is already drinking oil for all I know, wetin concern me. Even God cannot help Nigerians because they have twisted serving God so much 2 Likes |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by slimyem: 1:45pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
coogar: well - the churches in nigeria are filled with hypocrites and pretenders. there was a video that went viral few years ago about a pastor ramming a woman that looked like a housewife. i am 100% certain she was being "helped" to get a child in what they would later tell us was a "spiritual deliverance"...Isn't that the video where the woman was shouting "holy ghost-fire-enter! fire-enter! fire-enter" as the man was ramming into her? |
Re: Should I Follow Her To The Church? by coogar: 1:54pm On Aug 08, 2013 |
slimyem: Isn't that the video where the woman was shouting "holy ghost-fire-enter! fire-enter! fire-enter" as the man was ramming into her? |
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