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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Kuchilo: 1:44am On Sep 06, 2013
Signs of end time.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Nigerianmovie(m): 1:47am On Sep 06, 2013
chingydaboss: U guys dat r criticising my pastor .... m so sure dat u all are gonna b chosen members sooner Dan u tink...

this confirms what the woman said....about brainwashing that all churches will join chosen....

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by naijaking1: 3:51am On Sep 06, 2013
Scary, truthful, but powerful revelations about Muoka and criminals like him
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by BekeeBuAgbara: 3:53am On Sep 06, 2013
PortHarcourtBoy: Make una no vex oh...why this church members dey use their church banner take sew apron?
Even Some of them who are on a bussiness trip to China wear apron, who am i to judge them but I feel ashamed when i see my compatriots wear apron in a foreign land.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by julicoka(f): 4:30am On Sep 06, 2013
amara.lizzy%40y:
Who knws anoda church d wil speak evil against, after chosen. If u lyk keep runing 4rm one church 2 anoda til rapture take place. As for me am a chosen.
pls let me ask one question re u worshipping church or God
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by emmabest2000(m): 4:31am On Sep 06, 2013
Arysexy: just watched it now and am not MAD! i mean i watch every thing . wot an expository video. The woman got evidence nyafu nyafu, video of a ritual wedding conducted for mouka, fake church magazine claiming healing, video of police sent to arrest her and plant gun in her shop, video of govt agents sent by mouka to move her container kiosk.

Let me summarise;

1. mrs juliet was a pdp politician, sucesful biz woman married to a biz man

2. she was on her way from d airport when she met a crowd at ijesha and decided to check in d church since they had program

3. She was hypnotised and changed to d church, abandoned d husband when d husband told her to stop attending d church cos she started behaving and dressing like mad woman, mouka told her the husband is a cultist.

4. in order to save d marriage d husband joined her to chosen n was ordained a pastor by mouka n their bisness started crumbling

5. her kiosk wia she sells wares was demolished when she went to onitsha for chosen crusade d container d husband put up for her inside chosen was removed by alausa govt agents after mouka wrote them to remove it without telling her even though they are close

6. wot made her leave chosen was d case of a widow who's son had accident with broken leg while attending baptism class in chosen, the church could not help d woman, she directed d woman to go any church and seek for help dat any church that help her, she will join dat church, the woman was afraid of leaving chosen due to d pastor's curse dat anybody that leave chosen will die but she told her nt to aloow his son die, she shud nt blv d curse, the woman got help from a catholic church in festac, that made her to join d woman in dat church though b4 d help could come the son's leg has dcayed and was amputated.

7. mouka came to her house to beg her to come back but her refusal started d war, threat, assasination attempt and law suits.

8. mouka called the husband to his church wia he told d man his wife (chosen mopol) is witch> fight broke out in d church and d husband was beaten up and locked. he was sued at igbosere court for 1 billion naira, evidence shown.

9. mouka sue d woman to 6 different court tru his lawyers Barrs utuk, Emma and obioma otti and even made publication in their church magazine claiming she was a prostitute and has been declared wanted dead or alive by police, publication evidence shown

10. Her pictures they ask her to bring for burning wia used in chosen magazine to potray her as a repented harlot when she was in gud terms with them, she said her pix was used to dxv ppl dat she was mad for 5yrs but healed, she was never mad. most pix on d magazine are fake, mouka's wife went for fibroid operation in usa, his broda's wife is mad yet he could nt heal them.

11. mouka use holiness and righteousness preaching to dxv ppl yet his church is full of divorced women who left their husband bc they wudnt join chosen. his secretary chinenye left her husband to join chosen, yet mouka marid her to another chosen man.

12. mouka is in court with his pastors in usa, london, togo. he has court case with pastor festus emeka of south africa, pst abara, pst steve, mbise pst in london, he destroyed d church of a neighbouring pastor that broke away from the church

13. He uses police escort yet dxv memebers to buy sticker and jacket for protection, to soak chosen handkerchief in water and drink when sick yet he goes to usa for check up

15. mouka worships python at the back of the altar which has a canal, the day the python came out, the police escort wanted to kill it but mouka stopped him, even d church worker that said he will call zoo ppl from yaba was told not to do so. why? she saod god of chosen is not true God.

16. she revealed the secret wedding of mouka who preach against earing, rings, chains, keeping beards etc the video show a man on red with beards like ikemba ojukwu, the man put on red gown, wearing necklace and had ring. He was mixing coke and fanta in a swan water can and d chosen mopol said the coke rep darkenss while fanta rep light, by so mixing of convenant chosen covered light with darkness bc after the mixture the content was black. (this particular video evidence caught my attention cos it looked ritual in nature, i mean d man dat wed mouka)

17. she implore on all christians, pastor Ayo and well meaning Nigerians to save her from mouka's harrasment and court cases as she does nt have d power to prosecute 6 diff court case.

video 2 coming out soon.................................

#datsall#

waiting for video 2 story
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Billygee2u: 4:44am On Sep 06, 2013
amara.lizzy%40y:
My dear dn't let anybdy decieve u to say evil against any church. Beta differenciate btw publicity and violence. U saw pple doing publicity u went and snap dm an paste 4 here may God hav mercy on u. I'm a chosen and cn nt be decieved.

But,do not be deceived
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Billygee2u: 4:49am On Sep 06, 2013
BekeeBuAgbara: Even Some of them who are on a bussiness trip to China wear apron, who am i to judge them but I feel ashamed when i see my compatriots wear apron on a foreign land.

Idolizing
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by julicoka(f): 4:53am On Sep 06, 2013
chingydaboss: I pity u.... don't die a miserable death wen u don't know wat or say in... it is beta to keep quiet Dan say wat u know not abt.. a word is enough for d wise
u re telling amara to watch d DVD do u want d curse to follow her
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by julicoka(f): 4:59am On Sep 06, 2013
chukstoney: I soo sori 4 u al(choosen) mark my word d truth must surely come out, I av bin close 2 ur man of choosen nt God so u knw notin,I wil kip insultin any idiot dat giv me any choosen handbill,,,let him kip extortin moni by producin a of makin d moni y his fellowers r dyin in hunger, God wil judge him very soon
hunger no be small one u get eyes to see i thought am d only one dat seening dat,u re there
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by KriTic24A: 5:15am On Sep 06, 2013
frosbel: When you follow MEN instead of JESUS you will be deceived , when you go to a CULT instead of belonging to the church of Christ you will be deceived, when you worship ordinary MEN like you ,who are made of dust , you will be deceived,when you refuse to read your bible with the wisdom of GOD and instead hold on to the words of men , you will be deceived.

People , come out of these apostate false cults, come and know the real Jesus.

These false prophets have broken many homes, families, stolen money from the poor and widows, they are not of GOD, run now , run away from them.

Nigerian Christians, God gave you a brain, use it.


The bolded is the problem of most church people today.
It is what their pastors says that matters to them. Not the what the word of God (The Bible) said.
The Bible has said it long ago that there are many gods, and we are living witnesses to that prophecy.
Peoples who are called by their stomach...
People who gets to hear what their ears tingles for.

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by freshdew: 5:16am On Sep 06, 2013
Trut: The reason why i believe the woman's testimony is that, one of my relative who is a strong and active member The Lord Chosen died inside the Church in Bayelsa State, 3 or 4 years ago. She went for Night Vigil that very night, the next story we heard is that she has died. This young lady was Sound and Healthy before she left for Vigil.
how did you know she was healthy?can you give details of her health status before goin to that vigil. She may have died of HBP, or low sugar count heart siezure ,etc.you are encouraged to check your health status always.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by KriTic24A: 5:20am On Sep 06, 2013
touchmeder: Rubbish i saw the damn video out of curiosity and no curse rests anywhere close to me because i know who i am in Christ.
Christ has redeemed me from the curse of the law please see Galatians 3:13

''Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:''


So i watched some bits of the video and kept laughing so hard at times but at other times i felt truly sorry for my country men and women. I didnt know about this church only heard of it today just like COZA church too but i am going to say the same thing. Please know Jesus Christ for yourself. 2 Timothy 2:15 says

''Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.''

Don't be moved by every wind and manner of doctrine. If you are truly a child of God with knowledge of the bible, you will test spirts and be able to detect what stinks a mile away. I am not an overly spiritual person but i trust God and read my bible fairly well. I have been to seemingly good churches worshiped there but didn't return because it didn't click with my spirit. Study the bible yourself and don't be intimidated by men of God.Respect them but know they are mere men whom God has chosen to lead his flock IN SOME CASES. You are the bride of Christ, don't undermine yourself.
There are way tooooooooooooooooo many stories of fake men of God, money loving bishops and daddy in the lord, fake miracles, churches being run like business empires passed on from the late bishop to the wife then the first son never leaving the family. LOL
Please let me not talk too much cos i know them crawlers will begin to scream and ask me not to judge[i][/i]. PLEASE DONT EVEN BOTHER.

Talk my brother. Talk. No matter how bad your talk is, some genuine people will learn from it.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by ugonnah(m): 5:41am On Sep 06, 2013
Wen i tink about 9ja,i jus shake my head. D problem wit us is dat we are religious fanatics to a fault!Dat is why d 'smart pple' around us take advantage of us wit religion issues. Hw can someone claim to be a 'man of God', yet he goes to threaten pple wit policemen?!wat example is he showin?if they kno dat wat d lady is sayin isn't thru,why not leave it for God to judge her,issue ur own side of the story quietly and dats all.wateva anybody thinks after dat,let him tink.

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by ugonnah(m): 5:48am On Sep 06, 2013
D white man brought his religion to us and told us to drop ours cause its not d right way,and some of us agreed.... Now dat same 'right' religion is bring so much pain and disorder to our land and putting so much enemity among us.smh. WAKE UP NIGERIA!!...LIBERATE YOURSELVES 4RM SPIRITUAL SLAVERY!!!

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by gudnex22(m): 5:58am On Sep 06, 2013
[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]I cn't watch such Vcd, after al chosen is nt d first church 2 be critized and cn neva be d last. D church of God must move forward and d gate of hel cn nt prevail.[/
but you were happy when one of you was doing same thing one other churches saying the only true church is choosen. Try and watch for your own Good
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Prudenceduru(f): 5:59am On Sep 06, 2013
obyrich: How many of these churches can be found in YEMEN, SAUDI ARABIA, AFGHANISTAN, SYRIA, INDIA, PALESTINE etc. Abi una god dey FEAR these people? Please make una leave us jor. Una wahala and hypocrisy is too much. Haba!
d church is india...
Make enquiries b4 talkin

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by ugonnah(m): 5:59am On Sep 06, 2013
PortHarcourtBoy: Make una no vex oh...why this church members dey use their church banner take sew apron?
my broda,u are on point o!LOL. I tire o.i even see one for lagos wey one man use am sew cloth in form of native!!...pls wat wuld u call such a person?!:-)
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Nobody: 6:09am On Sep 06, 2013
That church has the makings of a cult.

Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups - Revised

Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.

Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. Many members, former members, and supporters of cults are not fully aware of the extent to which members may have been manipulated, exploited, even abused. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.
Compare these patterns to the situation you were in (or in which you, a family member, or friend is currently involved). This list may help you determine if there is cause for concern. Bear in mind that this list is not meant to be a “cult scale” or a definitive checklist to determine if a specific group is a cult. This is not so much a diagnostic instrument as it is an analytical tool.
‪ [b]The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
‪ Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
‪ Mind-altering practices (such as meditation, chanting, speaking in tongues, denunciation sessions, and debilitating work routines) are used in excess and serve to suppress doubts about the group and its leader(s).
‪ The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
‪ The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
‪ The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
‪ The leader is not accountable to any authorities (unlike, for example, teachers, military commanders or ministers, priests, monks, and rabbis of mainstream religious denominations).
‪ The group teaches or implies that its supposedly exalted ends justify whatever means it deems necessary. This may result in members' participating in behaviors or activities they would have considered reprehensible or unethical before joining the group (for example, lying to family or friends, or collecting money for bogus charities).
‪ The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
‪ Subservience to the leader or group requires members to cut ties with family and friends, and radically alter the personal goals and activities they had before joining the group.
‪ The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
‪ The group is preoccupied with making money.
‪ Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time to the group and group-related activities.
‪ Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
‪ The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group[/b].


http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by juvewalex(m): 6:21am On Sep 06, 2013
wetin dey hppn to churches nowadays ?

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by sky4(m): 6:42am On Sep 06, 2013
amara.lizzy%40y:
Infact wht suprises me is d more the talk, d more population increase. Abuja crusade @ eagles square dis sat and sunday u cn watch it live on air cable, youtube and c tins 4 urself.
Amara, I don't have any thing against you as a person but I can sense obsession here...how could a man of God be so vengeful and aggressive? And I can even see how sensitive you react towards people here voicing their views...do you intend joining the fleets of your pastors lawyers?
Anyway its a free world so you still have the right to choose your prison... Choose wisely though...
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Nobody: 6:49am On Sep 06, 2013
I ALWAYS DESIST FROM CRITICIZING MEN OF GOD ALTHOUGH I DONT TRUST LAGOS PASTORS. AFTER WATCHING THE VIDEO I CAN TELL U THIS LAZARUS MOUKA IS A FRAUD IF YOU ARE IN CHOSEN PRAY TO GOD FOR DIRECTION .I WILL ONLY VISIT THE SO CALLED MEN OF GOD ANY DAY I NID TO JOIN OCCULT
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by deHitchcock(f): 6:51am On Sep 06, 2013
amara.lizzy%40y:
Who knws anoda church d wil speak evil against, after chosen. If u lyk keep runing 4rm one church 2 anoda til rapture take place. As for me am a chosen.
brain washed jerk of an amara
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by mrakin(m): 7:02am On Sep 06, 2013
God knows the truth and He can detect false prophets better than we humans. But the bible is our guide to know the true faith
1. The bible is our primary guide
2. True Christians must have love among themselves
3. True faith must be no part of the world
4. True church is headed by christ while worshipers are brothers and sisters
5. True church does not collect tithe. All contributions are voluntary
6. True church does not have miracle masters. The overseers are spiritual men who use the bible for counseling and discipline. 2Tim 3:16
All modern-day show of miracles are false or demonic or pre-arranged show of magic.

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by nonysmith(m): 7:06am On Sep 06, 2013
I wish people will take some of the tinz they say either on the forum or else where more seriously...even an atheist knows we are really at the end time and the devil is doin everytin he knows to fight d the church but alas the kingdom of God shall prevail....REALLY JESUS IS COMING SOON AND I PRAY HE FINDS ME WORTHY EVEN WHEN I KNOW AM A RECALCITRANT CHILD OF GOD,always falling and getting up by his grace...having said that we know at this endtime there will be false prophets and church goers who indulge in pure evil but that does not give us the right in anyway howsoever to condemn the entire church...remember judge not my annointed and do my prophet no harm....who are we to cast aspersion on the man of God,yes I've met some over zealous chosen members and even the one dat with there tapolin cloth on still asking for egunje but that does not mean the entire church isn't the house of God....its like saying if the Head pastor of coZa is really guilty then the entire church should be closed down...(Thank Gods men are not God but mere men for we judge a lot as if we are perfect....on my own personal opinion I respect the chosen Man of God and other pastors I percieve as true Men of God as long as they are preacching the true word of God and what they are saying is in the bible...simple...when a man of God goes outside the bible then dats different..remember most of us know the bible but lack a deeper understanding of it and that's why the cchurch of God is there to guide us, and as such if a fake pastor now says the bible says being gay is ok then one should be able to decipher.......may God help us in this race for it is a personal race at the end

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by incrediblestev: 7:08am On Sep 06, 2013
The banner jacket is the most exploitative antics used the church
I know the church like the back of my hand, unfortunately, I have a brain washed sister that attends the church..... at times I feel like slapping some reality and common sense into her. The girl was turned from a very pretty upbeat teenager that was fun to be with to a grouchy. deeper-life wanna-be boring teenager that finds it difficult to socialize with anybody not from the church.

My dad explained first hand the daylight robbery that goes on there, how they cajole and hoodwink members into giving millions of naira they don't have, he explained how they device all manner of antics yo extort in the name of alter calls. There was this particular antics that caught my attention, the. man would arrange sits and call out for any insecure woman who wants to sit tight in her marriage without any other woman taking her place in the marriage to come and test the God of chosen and sit on any of the sits with a Sum of money start fork a ridiculously high amounts downwards.....he would do this until every woman even the ones that can barely feed will come out and sit when her own the amount of money she can pay is mentioned because the whole process is an elitist bid where the rich are first considered before coming down to The level of the poor. These antics are all too glaring to see and figure out, why many of his members won't catch this points to the systematic mind programming and cult like following that religion rely upon to promote itself.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Zoola91(m): 7:10am On Sep 06, 2013
Make government sharp-sharp employ dat woman for polic(investigation dept) cos d woman sabi show evidence.
Back to my garri n ofe- ebgusi
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by mkoabiola: 7:15am On Sep 06, 2013
Ur church will not save u,only Gid can save.
So many attrocity in churches and mosques today.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by nora544: 7:16am On Sep 06, 2013
touchmeder: Rubbish i saw the damn video out of curiosity and no curse rests anywhere close to me because i know who i am in Christ.
Christ has redeemed me from the curse of the law please see Galatians 3:13

''Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:''


So i watched some bits of the video and kept laughing so hard at times but at other times i felt truly sorry for my country men and women. I didnt know about this church only heard of it today just like COZA church too but i am going to say the same thing. Please know Jesus Christ for yourself. 2 Timothy 2:15 says

''Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.''

Don't be moved by every wind and manner of doctrine. If you are truly a child of God with knowledge of the bible, you will test spirts and be able to detect what stinks a mile away. I am not an overly spiritual person but i trust God and read my bible fairly well. I have been to seemingly good churches worshiped there but didn't return because it didn't click with my spirit. Study the bible yourself and don't be intimidated by men of God.Respect them but know they are mere men whom God has chosen to lead his flock IN SOME CASES. You are the bride of Christ, don't undermine yourself.
There are way tooooooooooooooooo many stories of fake men of God, money loving bishops and daddy in the lord, fake miracles, churches being run like business empires passed on from the late bishop to the wife then the first son never leaving the family. LOL
Please let me not talk too much cos i know them crawlers will begin to scream and ask me not to judge. PLEASE DONT EVEN BOTHER.

that is tru, when I write about Pastor Chris who has money outside of nigeria for his family and that is very very much. Why Pastor Adeboye but his son on the second place after him, it is the same keep the money in the family, it is also with deeper Life and all this other so calles great man of god who look first at there own pocket and than the pocket of tzhe family members, than the pocket of the pastors from there inner circel and than very long ......nothing comes and on the end of this are there churchmembers who are brainwashed and beliefe everything there so called great man of god will teach them.

Please wake up und I can tell you that is not the last story we will hear from a church.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by incrediblestev: 7:19am On Sep 06, 2013
nnenna.1:
That church has the makings of a cult.




http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
unfortunately, this cult has a knack for uneducated women mostly in the late 40s upward who are struggling with life's issues and looking for any means to solve them even if it means wearing a smelly jacket to their market places, work or even on the streets. You need to see these guys on their packs in cele ijesha, I wonder why Any teenage with a good head on their necks would want to join such poverty looking people that are barely educated to understand the gibberish that is being told to them by their equally semi literate LaZarus, that copies the old, boring and hypocritical Kumuyi to a fault.

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Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by naijathings(m): 7:34am On Sep 06, 2013
amara.lizzy%40y:
Infact wht suprises me is d more the talk, d more population increase. Abuja crusade @ eagles square dis sat and sunday u cn watch it live on air cable, youtube and c tins 4 urself.
shaking my head for you..
why?
because You are a damned fool.
what A religiously blinded fool.
All the fact is in your front and in the Bible and you are here talking about population.
I doubt I will like to stand close to someone who thinks like you. brainless church goer.
Re: Lord Chosen Members Protest Against Mrs Juliet's Confession DVD by Sunnybobo3(m): 7:36am On Sep 06, 2013
BekeeBuAgbara: Even Some of them who are on a bussiness trip to China wear apron, who am i to judge them but I feel ashamed when i see my compatriots wear apron on a foreign land.
Make dem wear am enter Saudi nau. No be person go tell dem say hot water dey kill tortoise.

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