Oahray: Hmmm... Churchies and their warped one-way-traffic minds.

Inasmuch as I do not buy his line of reasoning, there's a bit of sense in the conclusion.

How come it's not an insult that Jesus became human, but it becomes an insult to call him an angel?
We all know that the lowest angel is greater than man.

Angel simply means messenger (spirit creature of course), that is why the devil can have his own angels (messengers) too. Jesus is referred to, more than once in the Bible, as a messenger and servant of his father and God (read your Bible before you argue this).

If it doesn't make sense to call Jesus an angel even when the Bible calls him a messenger, how come it makes perfect sense to people that Jesus is equal to his father whom he called his God?

At times when I see atheists bashing people here, I understand why.

ammyluv2002: Guy, watch what you say ok......don't ever compare our saviour Jesus to the Angels. The bible made it clear on Trinity (God the father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit) you see any Angel for there?

obadiah777: you err not knowing scriptures Mazi Omenuko >>>> 1 corinthians 11 vs 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Mr President: ARCHANGEL MICHAEL IS JESUS CHRIST

HOW? LETS SEE.

LOOK UP THE STORY OF THE STONING OF STEPHEN IN ACTS 6 AND 7.

Acts 7:55-57
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Dan 12:1
12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

FROM THE TWO BIBLE REFERENCES ABOVE, WE KNOW THAT ANGEL MICHAEL THE GREAT PRINCE STANDS FOR HIS PEOPLE.

ALSO, AS STEPHEN WAS BEING STONED, WE SEE THAT JESUS CHRIST HAD STOOD UP FOR HIM. WHY? JESUS DOESN’T STAND AT THE RIGHT HAND, HE SEATS AT THE RIGHT HAND.

Luke 20:42
42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand

ARCHANGEL MICHAEL THE GREAT PRINCE IS JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD.

Isa 63:9-10
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

1 John 2:1-3
2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.



The angel of His Presence...we have an advocate with The Father.

Debeloved87: Michael is an angel, Jesus is the begotten son of the Father..thou angel Michael was his main guardian angel while on earth..in the last days after rapture Michael and his hosts will have the job of securing israel from attacks from nations like iran,iraq,the antichrist and his demons etc,which brings about the daniel 12:1 you quoted. Every nation has a prince, angel michael is israel's prince, dnt forget the prince of persia,all these princes are highly powerful spirits etc. But Jesus is more than a prince, He is the king of kings and the Lord of Lords..Jesus will be with the bride in heaven watching and directing as things evolve on earth, and when the time has fully come he will move down with the whole armies of heaven to finally defeat lucifer,the beast and the prophet then the millennial reign begins.

bookface:


First, the fact that the Lord Jesus descends "with an archangel's voice" does not automatically mean that it is his own voice spoken of. This passage simply says that an archangel's voice will accompany the Lord's descent from heaven, in the same manner that the bailiff's voice "All rise!" accompanies the judge's entrance into the courtroom.

Second, Hebrews 1:5 says, "For example, to which of the angels did he [God] ever say: 'You are my son; I, today, I have become your father'?" . The answer to the question is, of course, "none."

Thus, if God never called an angel his Son, then Michael--who is an angel--cannot be the Son. The fact that Michael is an archangel does not change anything, as he is still an angel by nature. An archangel is simply a "higher order" of angel, but an angel nonetheless; "arch-" simply means "ruling" or "high ranking."


Jehovah witnesses should really stop spreading filth!


Lucifer himself was an arch angel, so was Gabriel. The bible says of Lucifer:

Ezekiel 28:13
"You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created."

Isaiah 14 reveals the fall of Lucifer from the heights of heaven, which resulted in his status as the creature that he is today:

"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning...For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'"


God creates angels, then he creates higher angels, but they all worship at the feet of Christ!

When God brings His firstborn into the world, He says, ‘Let all God's angels worship Him.’ In speaking of the angels He says, ‘He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.’ But about the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’”

The hierarchy of heavenly beings is made clear in this passage—angels worship Jesus who, as God, is alone worthy of worship. No angel is ever worshiped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus cannot be Michael or any other angel. The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6).

smoothlips: jus out of curiosity which chapter of the bible mentioned the trinity?

faymoss: doe its not all bad bringing such issues that shud make people get the truth but i ask..on nairaland, y is it all alwz abt christianity..oda religion nko??them no dey bring things abt dem let dem get d truth

Uyi Iredia: @ Mr President: You are obadiah777's second handle That explains your OP.

Mintayo:
i was not surprised when i saw it too!

madukovich:

Av heard JW THAUGHT it on many occasions, but it's an insult on our Lord. Heb 1:6-8 says " And again when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, and let all the angels of God worshiped him.

GBAGAUUUUUUN!

haibe:

I don't know about mr president but I know most high and obadiah is just one person, obadiah uses most high, a second handle to complement his points.

Mazi_Omenuko:

I hate arguing with Jehovah witness folks, but I will oblige you;

John 10:30: "I and my father are one."

JMAN05:

what made it an insult?

Was it an insult that Jesus is a servant of God?

was it an insult that he washed the feet of his disciples?

was it an insult that God taught him?

was it an insult that God gave him a commandment?

was it an insult that he calls God my God?

was it an insult that he doesnt know when the end will be?

was it an insult that all authority that he has was giving him by God?

was it an insult that he has to submit to God's will even when that is different from his will?

was it an insult that he doesnt have authority to determine who will be in his right hand?

ALL THE ABOVE IS NO.

It is now an insult to call him a messenger?


NOW TO KNOW WHAT IS AN INSULT, JUST TURN THE STATEMENT. Put ''Jehovah'' in place of Jesus in the above and see the difference.

for eg. starting from the last question;

if we insert Jehovah, they will read thus:

It is now an insult to call ''Jehovah'' a messenger? what do you think the answer is? YES

Was it an insult that ''JEHOVAH'' doesnt have authority to determine who will be in his right hand? what do you think is the answer? YES

was it an insult that all authority that ''Jehovah'' has was giving him by God? what is the answer? YES

Was it an insult that ''Jehovah'' doesnt know when the end will be? YES, not so?

was it an insult that ''Jehovah'' calls Jesus my God? YES, not so?

Was it an insult that Jesus gave ''Jehovah'' a commandment? YES, not so?

was it an insult that Jesus taught ''Jehovah''? YES, not so?

was it an insult that ''Jehovah'' is a servant of Jesus? YES, not so?

FROM THE ABOVE, CAN YOU SINCERELY SAY THAT JEHOVAH AND JESUS ARE EQUAL?

Ithink that is the reason why you think its an insult.

Mazi_Omenuko:

Once again, you quote scriptures that has no correlation to the topic. John 10;31, "I and my father are one". How did the passage you quoted contradict what the verse I quoted?
Jesus said specifically that He and God are one. I ask you to give me a scriptural prove, straight to the point where Jesus was called the arch-angel. Stop ridiculing yourself with heresy. That's why I never indulge the witnesses. They keep beating about the bush with their own version of the bible.

obadiah777: western is good ? you ever see those ads ? you take it for headache but the side effects are stomach ache and blindness. or this melecin is for digestive troubles but the side effect is that your eye balls can fall off

Mazi_Omenuko:

Once again, you quote scriptures that has no correlation to the topic. John 10;31, "I and my father are one". How did the passage you quoted contradict what the verse I quoted?
Jesus said specifically that He and God are one. I ask you to give me a scriptural prove, straight to the point where Jesus was called the arch-angel. Stop ridiculing yourself with heresy. That's why I never indulge the witnesses. They keep beating about the bush with their own version of the bible.

obadiah777: oh yeah now we got songs like 'popped a molly am sweating' lmao. yup definitely end times we are in, speaking of which yes i nominated a few threads for frontpage this being one of em. i figured this is a controversial thread that would bring out the anger in some folks. i love controversy. no point putting a thread on frontpage that everybody would agree to right ? thats boring. scripture says >>>>>>> proverbs 25 vs 9 Debate thy cause with thy neighbour himself; and discover not a secret to another: <<< i intend to do just that maam, debate my cause that is

haibe:

I don't know about mr president but I know most high and obadiah is just one person, obadiah uses most high, a second handle to complement his points.

obadiah777: you do err. worshipping christ simply means studying your bible. christ is the bible. dont worship christ the man. worship Christ the word >>>>

john 1 vs 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. <<< christ is the bible.

obadiah777: of course this is for the spiritually discerned. the direct calling of Jesus an angel is in the book of revelation, for those who say christ is not an angel

REVELATION 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
I have searched tru but could not poiny or locate the name Jesus.pls pls the Bible is written in black and white, learn to read it as it is and avoid making petsonal imputes.
THE LION OF JUDAH ROARING WHILE RECIEVING INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD ( THE SEVEN THUNDERS )