obadiah777: the truth is universal. truth is not in the eye of the beholder. thats a wrong statement

obadiah777: where did i get the lion of judah from ?

hebrews 7 vs 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;

jeremiah 4 vs 7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant. <<< second coming. the lion of judah coming to destroy the gentile empires

BUT LETS DIGRESS. YES HE IS GREATER THAN ANGELS. HE IS AN ARCH-ANGEL. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ? MEANS HE IS THE LEADER OF THE ANGELS. WHICH ANGELS ? THE 144,000 MEN OF ISRAEL AKA THE SEVEN STARS >>>> REVELATION 2 VS 1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
<< he holds the seven stars in his right hands because he is their leader. the arch-angel. hence the saying i have come for the lost sheep of the house of israel. he came for his angels. to wake them up.

jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Micheal ( christ ) telling the devil that 'the lord rebuke thee'. why is Micheal calling himself 'lord' ?

Pastor Olu T:
I saw the place u quoted from Revelation, and brother I dont think it was referring to Jesus. I also use to think Michael was Jesus, but when u look at whenever Michael appears in the scriptures n Jesus, there is always a difference. Like the book of Jude someone quoted in the former post where Michael n the devil dispute for the body of Moses, n he had to rebuke him in the name of the Lord!
But when it comes to Jesus 'cos all authority has been given to Him, He act as such!

texanomaly:
Nope...you are wrong...

In religion and politics 'truth' is relative. This thread and every other where people debate over these subjects proves it. Everyone has a different interpretation of their 'truth". Some even have convincing answers as to why theirs is the real truth. YOUR 'truth' is not everyone's truth.

obadiah777: truth is universal. truth is not relative. people err but the truth remains the same. you do err

obadiah777: where did i get the lion of judah from ?

hebrews 7 vs 14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda;

BUT LETS DIGRESS. YES HE IS GREATER THAN ANGELS. HE IS AN ARCH-ANGEL.

HE IS THE LEADER OF THE ANGELS. WHICH ANGELS ? THE 144,000 MEN OF ISRAEL AKA THE SEVEN STARS >>>>

jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. Micheal ( christ ) telling the devil that 'the lord rebuke thee'. why is Micheal calling himself 'lord' ?

obadiah777: and to further shut this whole argument down. Arch-angel Micheal is a man of war. and how about christ ?

exodus 15 vs 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

CASE CLOSED. OK EVERYONE LETS PACK UP AND LEAVE THE THREAD. CASE CLOSED

texanomaly:
What makes you think your OPINiON is truth? That's all it is. Opinion and theory. For every one of your points, someone has given a reply to the contrary, just as convincing. Of course they are wrong, and you are right.

This is why I love the Christian and non-Christian threads so much. Everyone has such strong beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that. I have my own. Mine are the right (truth) ones, btw.

My point is that YOUR truth is just that, your truth. My truth differs. I'm right, and in your world (wherever that may be) you are.

Universal truth...for all intents and purposes, does not exist, except in our minds.

Mine is still right.

obadiah777: of course this is for the spiritually discerned. the direct calling of Jesus an angel is in the book of revelation, for those who say christ is not an angel

REVELATION 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

THE LION OF JUDAH ROARING WHILE RECIEVING INSTRUCTIONS FROM GOD ( THE SEVEN THUNDERS )

obadiah777: AHHH BUT YOU DO ERR. the truth stands alone and can be backed up, as i have done. the truth never waivers. scripture says prove all things. i do that all the time. peoples opinions are just that. opinions. but the truth is universal. prove all things

Joagbaje:

My point is that the passage you manipulated in revelation didn't say lion of Judah . You added it. Why? The devil is also likened to a roaring lion. Hope you got my point.



An archangel is still an angel . Micheal is not the only arch angel, Gabriel is also one and many others. So Jesus is not an angel.




The 144,000 are not angels but rather the remnant jews from tribulation.



Micheal didn't call himself lord. He rebuked the devil in the name of God of heaven . Because satan was higher than him. He needed a higher name.

texanomaly:
Bahahahaha

You gotta love this guy!

joel lala:

Obadiah am surprised at your post comparing jesus to michael..BTW when a shout is LIKE(take note of the word) that of a roaring lion does mean it is the lion of judah roaring..angels and archangels are still a little below man because they still do man's biddings..for example gabriel is also an archangel and still runs erands for God and man..so why believe that was jesus? To me the quoted verse may refer to gabriel because he is a messenger between God and man..other mighty archangels are uriel and raphael..this is not jesus.

texanomaly:
*rolls eyes*

Okay, you win

*as if*

I'm still right, you are wrong.

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Debeloved87: Obadiah777 u do err in this matter, any angel can roar like a lion especially the magnificiently built Arch-ones, dnt forget the scripture that says 1peter 5:8 be sober, be vigilante for your adversary,the DEVIL as a ROARING LION, walketh about looking for whom to devour..people that have seen beyond the veils that covers earth can tell you vividly that JESUS is different from angel michael who has a striking resemblance with angel gabriel, only just that he has a hard and a "soldieric" countenance...Michael is an archangel, JESUS is the King of Glory and the LORD of War..

Debeloved87: Obadiah777 u do err in this matter, any angel can roar like a lion especially the magnificiently built Arch-ones, dnt forget the scripture that says 1peter 5:8 be sober, be vigilante for your adversary,the DEVIL as a ROARING LION, walketh about looking for whom to devour..people that have seen beyond the veils that covers earth can tell you vividly that JESUS is different from angel michael who has a striking resemblance with angel gabriel, only just that he has a hard and a "soldieric" countenance...Michael is an archangel, JESUS is the King of Glory and the LORD of War..

obadiah777: The case has been proved Chief. read the thread all the way through. if you are not convinced then it wasnt meant for you to get that knowledge.

obadiah777: The case has been proved Chief. read the thread all the way through. if you are not convinced then it wasnt meant for you to get that knowledge.

joel lala:

i tire for obadiah o! There are different archangels that their voices are like a roaring lion doesnt make them the lion of judah..

Debeloved87: with ur posts nothing has been proove...i read the thread, am glad u contributed, but JESUS IS NEVER MICHAEL

obadiah777: The case has been proved Chief. read the thread all the way through. if you are not convinced then it wasnt meant for you to get that knowledge.

obadiah777: well i guess you fall into this category >>>> isaiah 6 vs 9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. <<< this you right here Debeloved87.

obadiah777: this is bigger than who is right or who is wrong. this here thang is about the truth ruth

idnoble135: Obadiah, i think you need to need to step up your bible understanding.
And hilariously, i believe many would aptly agree with me that the quote above me best suits you. Epic!

joel lala:

Bros you havent proved anything..and comparing micheal to be jesus using the part of war is also a falacy..in psalms 24 vs 8, it described God as mighty in battle ..so will you also say michael is God because of this?

Debeloved87: no sire, u do err in making us want to believe that what u believe is right,...i have an understanding of the book of revelation....the angel u turned to christ in the book of revelation is one of the arch angels assigned to john..the voice from the throne is that of christ.,.jesus is different from the angels, u of all people should know this, i hope one of these days God wil giv u a glimpse of Heaven..u do really nid it.

texanomaly:
SMH again...

Your, so called truth, not mine

I'll leave it to you and the rest...

Enjoy

obadiah777: my understanding of the bible is copasetic, all praises to the merciful, the omnipotent, ha mashayach

obadiah777: listen i have been blessed, all praises be to ha mashayach, with an impeccable insight into the book of revelation and just from this your post alone i can tell you have no clue what the book of revelation is about.