obadiah777: the truth is universal. it is yours and mine. now whether you choose to accept it is a different matter altogether

texanomaly:
<<<like I said...

idnoble135:
No sir. You sir, have a partial knowledge and not a complete knowledge like all the saints. At such, there must needs be occasions that you concur and affirm before all that you were wrong. Thats all

texanomaly:
Deuce my dear...how do you get that head of yours through the door in the morning?

obadiah777: you cant hide from the truth now

obadiah777: you cant hide from the truth now

obadiah777: well thats just your opinion and you are entitled to it. those in the light recognize light when they see it

obadiah777: listen i have been blessed, all praises be to ha mashayach, with an impeccable insight into the book of revelation and just from this your post alone i can tell you have no clue what the book of revelation is about.

texanomaly:

ROTFL...you are killing me.

Thanks for making my day!

idnoble135:
I'm in no way in darkness. And i recognize light when i see one.
Need i to say, like some has stated, Jesus is not an angel. He is the Lord of angels. He is worshipped by angels. If He were an angel, that means He was created. But no sir. He created all things, angels inclusive.
You need to take a break from all of these wrong stuffs. According to you, Jesus is Lucifer, now Jesus is Michael.
*sighs, in your own words to the atheists* You need to step up your game.

Debeloved87: u judge with no wisdom, u puffed up,full of pride...teacher of heresies,ur words have no place in the heart of the wise and the discerning...

obadiah777: esoteric knowledge aka baptism is not meant for all. i can understand your blindness oh and lucifer just means illuminated and yes Jesus is illuminated.

obadiah777: this here esoteric knowledge ( baptism ) is not for all. your myopia is a common ailment. its an ailment of the masses. those without myopia are few and far between. scripture says narrow is the way and only few go through it. be careful dude before you get nuked in the future. i am trying to keep you from being nuked but you are being stiff necked and rebellious smdh

obadiah777: this here esoteric knowledge ( baptism ) is not for all. your myopia is a common ailment. its an ailment of the masses. those without myopia are few and far between. scripture says narrow is the way and only few go through it. be careful dude before you get nuked in the future. i am trying to keep you from being nuked but you are being stiff necked and rebellious smdh

idnoble135:
No qualms bro. Enjoy your so called light."If you were blind, you
wouldn't be guilty," Jesus
replied. "But you remain
guilty because you claim
you can see.John 9:41

Debeloved87: u and ur teachings is stiff-necked and rebellious against the truth.

obadiah777: i can take you to the water but i cant force you to drink this water sire. smdh.

Debeloved87: neither will i, and therefore dont force ur heresies into peoples mind..with ur teachings here,newly saved will have problems along the way with the truth that our LORD JESUS reveals.

Yooguyz: @op, you are quoting scriptures out of context
No, Jesus and Michael the
Archangel are not the same.Jesus is God in flesh, but Michael the Archangel is an angel which
is a created being.

# Daniel 10:13, ““But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one
days; then behold, Michael, one
of the chief princes, came to help
me, for I had been left there with
the kings of Persia.”

# Jude 9, “But Michael the
archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about
the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing
judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

In Jude 9 Michael would not pronounce a judgment against
the devil. Instead, he said "the Lord rebuke you." If Michael and
Jesus were the same, and Jesus
is God in flesh, then Michael
would have had the authority to rebuke the devil. But, since Michael deferred to the Lord,
Michael is not the Lord. Instead,
Michael is an Archangel, a created being.
Btw, what's your faith? JW or 7th day adventist?

twosquare: Jehovah witnesses....and their erroneous msgs

obadiah777: i believe i have 5 poignant posts on the topic. impeccable posts i may add, even if i do say so myself

benalvino:

So coming here arguing whether Jesus is Michael the archangel is important for salvation?

How about you believe in Christ and dont bother about Michael, keep the commandment and live a peaceful and good life. Then when Jesus comes you are saved... I dont think Jesus will bother about why dont you find out if I was Michael the archangel... So it is not important for salvation. The bible is the word of God... But some the things in the bible are stories of things that has happened in the past. Many has nothing to do with salvation you just get a glimps of how God destroyed people who go against him... Which is very simplified now... If you dont accept Jesus you are against him..
no need to read about pheroah it is simple now.

But arguing if Michael is Jesus and so on are not important.



And this is my final post maybe in nairaland or religious section.

JMAN05: Scriptural evidence indicates that the
name Michael applied to God’s Son
before he left heaven to become Jesus
Christ and also after his return. Michael
is the only one said to be “ the
archangel ,” meaning “chief angel,” or
“principal angel.” The term occurs in the
Bible only in the singular. This seems to
imply that there is but one whom God
has designated chief, or head, of the
angelic host. At 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the
voice of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ
is described as being that of an
archangel , suggesting that he is, in fact,
himself the archangel . This text depicts
him as descending from heaven with “a
commanding call.” It is only logical,
therefore, that the voice expressing this
commanding call be described by a word
that would not diminish or detract from
the great authority that Christ Jesus now
has as King of kings and Lord of lords. ( Mt
28:18; Re 17:14 ) If the designation
“ archangel ” applied, not to Jesus Christ,
but to other angels, then the reference
to “an archangel ’s voice” would not be
appropriate. In that case it would be
describing a voice of lesser authority than
that of the Son of God.
There are also other correspondencies
establishing that Michael is actually the
Son of God. Daniel, after making the first
reference to Michael ( Da 10:13 ), recorded
a prophecy reaching down to “the time of
the end” ( Da 11:40 ) and then stated:
“And during that time Michael will stand
up, the great prince who is standing in
behalf of the sons of [Daniel’s]
people.” ( Da 12:1 ) Michael’s ‘standing up’
was to be associated with “a time of
distress such as has not been made to
occur since there came to be a nation
until that time.” (Da 12:1 ) In Daniel’s
prophecy, ‘standing up’ frequently refers
to the action of a king, either taking up his
royal power or acting effectively in his
capacity as king. (Da
11:2-4, 7, 16b, 20, 21 ) This supports the
conclusion that Michael is Jesus Christ,
since Jesus is Jehovah’s appointed King,
commissioned to destroy all the nations
at Har–Magedon.— Re 11:15; 16:14-16 .
The book of Revelation (12:7, 10, 12 )
specifically mentions Michael in
connection with the establishment of
God’s Kingdom and links this event with
trouble for the earth: “And war broke out
in heaven: Michael and his angels battled
with the dragon, and the dragon and its
angels battled. And I heard a loud voice
in heaven say: ‘Now have come to pass
the salvation and the power and the
kingdom of our God and the authority of
his Christ, because the accuser of our
brothers has been hurled down . . . On
this account be glad, you heavens and you
who reside in them! Woe for the earth
and for the sea.’” Jesus Christ is later
depicted as leading the heavenly armies
in war against the nations of the earth.
( Re 19:11-16 ) This would mean a period
of distress for them, which would logically
be included in the “time of distress” that
is associated with Michael’s standing up.
( Da 12:1 ) Since the Son of God is to fight
the nations, it is only reasonable that he
was the one who with his angels earlier
battled against the superhuman dragon,
Satan the Devil, and his angels.
In his prehuman existence Jesus was
called “ the Word.” (Joh 1:1 ) He also had
the personal name Michael . By retaining
the name Jesus after his resurrection ( Ac
9:5 ), “ the Word” shows that he is
identical with the Son of God on earth.
His resuming his heavenly name Michael
and his title (or name) “ The Word of
God” ( Re 19:13 ) ties him in with his
prehuman existence. The very name
Michael , asking as it does, “Who Is Like
God?” points to the fact that Jehovah
God is without like, or equal, and that
Michael his archangel is his great
Champion or Vindicator.

Mintayo: Jesus is not angel,never!
Nowhere did He call Himself angel Micheal.
After His ressurrection,why was He not refer to as Angel Micheal.
Angel Micheal and Gabriel are both Arch-angel.
And as far as the Bible is concern,we believers are greater than Angels,angels are ministering spirit sent to minister to the sent!
God help us.

Itsfacts:

Bros just one scripture that calls Jesus Michael as one of his many names.
Like Emmanuel etc.

obadiah777: i am of the impression that you dont know what angel means but oga Jo, thats why i am here. i intend to pull people out of the abyss of darkness and into the brightness of the light

an·gel [eyn-juhl] Show IPA
noun
1.

a messenger, especially of God.
<<< an angel is a messenger. the 144,000, what is their message ? to unify the gentiles to the jews under the law


see, right of the top, your premise is wrong because you didnt know the meaning of that word 'angel'. i suspect you are caught up in greco-roman fantasy and mythology of romanticizing biblical words

JMAN05:

Read above very well.

obadiah777: the truth is universal. truth is not in the eye of the beholder. thats a wrong statement

obadiah777: and to further shut this whole argument down. Arch-angel Micheal is a man of war. and how about christ ?

exodus 15 vs 3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

CASE CLOSED. OK EVERYONE LETS PACK UP AND LEAVE THE THREAD. CASE CLOSED

Debeloved87: with ur posts nothing has been proove...i read the thread, am glad u contributed, but JESUS IS NEVER MICHAEL