plaetton:

Well,s since everyone is a sinner, everyone is guilty of one sin or another, calling anyone a sinner is kind of silly.
The only savior from sin is the self, and the only antidote for sin is simply to stop sinning.

But first, you have to define sin from the viewpoint of a non-consumer of religilous #**#

Everyone is not a sinner.
Are you sinner?
Who/what will save you from sin? Has He/it saved you?

Trolls-For-Jesus on the rampage..

Motto: When empty, troll.

aManFromMars: LolM

Trick question..

Clearly God sinned first.

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Wow o wow... God sinned first you must have some guts.

ozo_emeka: Scenario:

You have a first born son, you keep him from watching tv and don't buy him a phone. (Your reasoning is that your son is a stellar student and you see he is capable of reaching the stars. You ALSO notice that he is VERY VERY easily distracted, so you keep him from the distractions - phone and tv.) Your son has never seen a tv, nor ever had a phone and thus assumes, all households function normally like his. (You, being the elder, the father can see that if your son gets a phone - say an Iphone 5(which you can EASILY afford for him and would love to) - he is bound to end up getting attention from ALL types of girls which may lead to him losing focus from becoming the best he can be (AND THEN getting girls) and end up following wrong attention, sleeping with a girl and then getting her pregnant and shutting his dreams down. Or maybe he ends up lking the attention, wanting to be cool, and ends up in a gang which in turn takes him to prison and SHUTS his dreams down.

As a father you FORSEE all this, do you explain to him EVERY single reason why? No, you just easily solve the problem by preventing access to these things in the first place. THEN you point out those things to them and say "Son, do not ever watch that box , you will die" (You are NOT lying to him, if he does watch the tv, he will engage in activities that WILL lead to his death), the beginning of a criminal in jail started with ONE LITTLE TINY NEGLIGIBLE THING - that's how it starts.

So a drug dealer tells him and his friend that they won't die if they watch TV. (they don't know he is a drug dealer) And he puts on a very interesting show for them, and voila they did not DROP DEAD. So did your son DISOBEY you or not? (mind you, you have provided OTHER forms of VERY WELL MEANING, LIVELY entertainment for your son) should he be punished?



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If his father restricts him from watching tv, there is no way he would allow him out of the house knowing fully well that his son has friends that watch tv and would gladly "initiate" him into watching tv.
Secondly, why is the drug dealer so interested in getting them to watch tv? Does watching tv lead people to drug dealing?
Or maybe his father sent the drug dealer to test him.

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Your analogy makes no sense but lemme humor you.

The summerian story of the anunnaki explained all.

The whole essence of the test was a test of free will. To test free will, inhibitors would not be required!!!

omiobo: The first human being to commit sin was Adam,satan is not human. Satan's sin could have in no way affected human being if Adam and Eve didn't eat the forbidden apple.

how you take know say na apple. It could have been a pawpaw or an orange. Probably a peach. Don't be dumb

Neither Adam nor Satan 1st sinned but Eve. Actually, Satan was d one dat brought d temptation 2 Eve & Eve got trapped by Satan when she told a little lie by saying dat God said they must not eat NOR TOUCH dat forbidden fruit. (Genesis 3:3).

Some Niggaz dont even want no God They just want a lil money to come thru fly Cos nobody ever listens to a broke cos if u broke u are a joke if yu are a joke U are a LovePeddler

hmmmm I heard the truth will always set you free but in this case ask satan why there's a punishment attached to it.

FOLLEY20: Neither Adam nor Satan 1st sinned but Eve. Actually, Satan was d one dat brought d temptation 2 Eve & Eve got trapped by Satan when she told a little lie by saying dat God said they must not eat NOR TOUCH dat forbidden fruit. (Genesis 3:3).

So you mean satan was a saint until eve sinned?

CERTAIN MEN ARE PROFESSIONAL LIARS & AND WILL BE SO UNTIL THE END OF TIME. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO TELL YOU THE SAME LIES THAT THEY TOLD TO YOUR FORE-PARENTS. AVOID THESE MEN AT ALL COST THEY MAY LEAD YOU ASTRAY & CAGE YOUR BODY AND MIND IN ETERNAL IGNORANCE. IF YOU COME IN CONTACT WITH THESE MEN AND THEY TRY TO TELL YOU ONE OF THEIR STORIES, DEMAND THAT THEY SHOW YOU SOME PROOF, FACTS, OR EVIDENCE TO BACK-UP THEIR CLAIMS AND YOU WILL SEE HOW QUICKLY THEY SCATTER BACK INTO THE DARKNESS FROM WHICH THEY CAME, LIKE ROACHES WHEN LIGHT IS SUDDENLY TURNED ON THEM.

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Image123:

Everyone is not a sinner.

have u ever come across the phrase "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"? I'm sure u might have but chose to turn a deaf ear to it. Or maybe ur brain is kinda childish to comprehend its meaning.....

Image123:
Who/what will save you from sin? Has He/it saved you?

Why do u think Jesus Christ came into this world? Guess ur answer might be STEWPID so I don't need it. Jesus came into this world to suffer & die as attonment for OUR sins. *shikena*

Leo Adewale:
have u ever come across the phrase "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"? I'm sure u might have but chose to turn a deaf ear to it. Or maybe ur brain is kinda childish to comprehend its meaning.....


Why do u think Jesus Christ came into this world? Guess ur answer might be STEWPID so I don't need it. Jesus came into this world to suffer & die as attonment for OUR sins. *shikena*

have you ever come across the sentence "if any man be in christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold all things are become new"?


because someone was a sinner doesn't mean he would continue being a sinner.

haibe:

have you ever come across the sentence "if any man be in christ he is a new creature, old things are passed away, behold all things are become new"


because someone was a sinner doesn't mean he would continue being a sinner.

hellloooo?? I didn't say we all would continue being sinners cos I'm aware of the washing away of sins by the blood of Jesus,therefore pls don't misquote me oo! Dat IMAGE123 guy said "everyone isn't a sinner" as if some people are acquitted from sin right from birth. Read his whole statement for prove. *geddit?*

akos123: Satan sinned first.He tricked Adam and Eve(DECEIT) into committing sin against God.

how did satan trick them?
1. It was a serpent not satan
2. The serpent only told eve the truth
3. God was the one hiding something from them, because he didn't want them to be like him. they got smarter after eating the fruit and am sure if they had access to it more than once, Adam and Eve would have become God; he didn't want that.

Kindly provide us with two or three scriptural references that Adam and Eve lacked grace to overcome temptation. Thanks

haibe:

I won't do any of the above because he has given me the grace now to overcome temptations, Adam and eve did not have this grace.

Its a fact that God is omniscient, before he created them he knew they would sin, if he did not want the action, he could have not created them but he went on to create them.

if you think it was Adam's fault that he sinned then you must think again, before he sinned God could have stopped him from sinning and thus save generations, yes God has the power to stop man from sinning but he allowed adam to sin, which begs the question, what is God's plan for mankind? .

The idea of God not wanting to interfere with Adam because of freewill is just illogical, consider it, isn't it better to create robots and save them from suffering than to create man with freewill and end up suffering, the idea of extreme freewill is an illusion, because if our will is against God's plan he won't allow the will to take place.

A typical example is the case of abimelech, have you ever wondered why God restrained him from lieing with Abrahams wife, I mean God told him "I stopped you from sinning against me", have you wondered why God interrupted his freewill? ?

My friend, every thing that happened in eden is God's plan, it could not have happened if God did not want it to happen, let us watch as God's plan for mankind unfolds, its better than putting all the blame on the helpless Adam who had no grace to overcome the tempter.

Did God create sin?"

God created the universe in six days, but, originally, the universe had no sin—everything He made was “very good” (Genesis 1:31). Sin entered the cosmos due to an act of rebellion against God, not because God created sin.

We need to define “sin.” First John 3:4 says, “Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.” Sin, therefore, is any violation of God’s holy law. Romans 3:23 says, “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” According to this verse, sin is anything (words, thoughts, actions, and motivations) that falls short of God’s glory and perfection. All of us sin. Romans 3:23 also teaches that we must know the character of God before we can accurately define sin, because His glory is the standard by which we measure it (Psalm 119:160; John 17:17). Without a perfect standard, there is no way to determine whether something is imperfect. Without the absolute standard of God’s glory, every word or action would be judged by the faulty, shifting standard of imperfect people. Every rule, law, and moral tenet would become a matter of opinion. And man’s opinion is as varied and changeable as the weather.

If a builder builds upon a foundation that is not square, he risks the integrity of the entire project. The building does not get better as it goes up; it gets weaker and more out of line. However, when the starting point is perfect, the rest of the structure will be sound. Moral foundations work the same way. Without God’s moral law, we have no way of knowing right from wrong. Sin is moving away from what is right. The further we get from God’s moral standard, the worse the sin becomes.

God created men and angels with a free will, and, if a being has a free will, there is at least the potential that he will choose badly. The potential for sin was a risk God took. He created human beings in His image, and, since He is free, humans were created free, too (Genesis 1:27). Free will involves the ability to choose, and, after God communicated the moral standard, He gave the man a true choice (Genesis 2:16). Adam chose disobedience. God did not tempt, coerce, or lure Adam into disobedience. James 1:13 says, “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.” God allowed Adam the dignity of free choice and honored that choice with appropriate consequences (Romans 5:12).

God provided the opportunity to sin, but He did not create or instigate sin. Having the opportunity was good; without it, human beings would be little more than robots. God commands, pleads, and encourages us to follow Him (Exodus 19:5; Deuteronomy 12:28; 1 Samuel 15:22). He promises blessings, fellowship, and protection when we obey (Jeremiah 7:23; Psalm 115:11; Luke 11:28). But He does not chain us. God did not put a fence around the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve had freedom to choose obedience or disobedience. When they chose sin, they also chose the consequences that went with it (Genesis 3:16–24).

The same has been true for every human being since. The opportunity to sin is inherent in our freedom of choice. We can choose to seek God, which leads to righteous living (Jeremiah 29:13; 2 Timothy 2:19). Or we can choose to follow our own inclinations, which lead away from God (Proverbs 16:5). The Bible is clear that, whatever path we choose, consequences follow. We reap what we sow (Galatians 6:7). Some consequences are eternal. Matthew 25:46 says that those who do not follow Jesus “will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

God judges people (Ecclesiastes 12:14) and nations (Micah 5:15) who use their free will to rebel against Him. God did not and does not create sin, nor does He delight in punishing those who choose to sin (Ezekiel 33:11). His desire is that all come to repentance and experience the blessing and joy of eternal life with Him (2 Peter 3:9)

Artorius:
how you take know say na apple. It could have been a pawpaw or an orange. Probably a peach. Don't be dumb

My friend, don't be dumb. Read your bible.

@Laclass

Definitely the best explanation I have ever heard of why God allowed the defeat of man at Eden. Very logical as it takes into account the fact that you can't claim something is the best when there is nothing else to compare it to. There was nothing to compare God's rule with. But now it is clear to see what a world run by men who reject (or misinterpret) God's Word looks like.

laclass:

To find out who committed it first i will like you to reason small with me from the scriptures and correct your insinuation my brother.This is the reason.It all started this way, When Satan led Adam and Eve into disobeying Jehovah, an important question was raised. Satan did not call into question Jehovah’s power. Even Satan knows that there is no limit to Jehovah’s power. Rather, Satan questioned Jehovah’s right to rule. By calling God a liar who withholds good from his subjects, Satan charged that Jehovah is a bad ruler. (Genesis 3:2-5) Satan implied that mankind would be better off without God’s ruler-ship. This was an attack on Jehovah’s sovereignty, his right to rule.

Adam and Eve rebelled against Jehovah. In effect, they said: “We do not need Jehovah as our Ruler. We can decide for ourselves what is right and what is wrong.” How could Jehovah settle that issue? How could he teach all intelligent creatures that the rebels were wrong and that his way truly is best? Someone might say that God should simply have destroyed the rebels and made a fresh start. But Jehovah had stated his purpose to fill the earth with the offspring of Adam and Eve, and he wanted them to live in an earthly paradise. (Genesis 1:28) Jehovah always fulfills his purposes. (Isaiah 55:10, 11) Besides that, getting rid of the rebels in Eden would not have answered the question that had been raised regarding Jehovah’s right to rule.

Let us consider an illustration. Imagine that a teacher is telling his students how to solve a difficult problem. A clever but rebellious student claims that the teacher’s way of solving the problem is wrong. Implying that the teacher is not capable, this rebel insists that he knows a much better way to solve the problem. Some students think that he is right, and they also become rebellious. What should the teacher do? If he throws the rebels out of the class, what will be the effect on the other students? Will they not believe that their fellow student and those who joined him are right? All the other students in the class might lose respect for the teacher, thinking that he is afraid of being proved wrong. But suppose that the teacher allows the rebel to show the class how he would solve the problem.
Jehovah has done something similar to what the teacher does. Remember that the rebels in Eden were not the only ones involved. Millions of angels were watching. (Job 38:7; Daniel 7:10) How Jehovah handled the rebellion would greatly affect all those angels and eventually all intelligent creation. So, what has Jehovah done? He has allowed Satan to show how he would rule mankind. God has also allowed humans to govern themselves under Satan’s guidance.

The teacher in our illustration knows that the rebel and the students on his side are wrong. But he also knows that allowing them the opportunity to try to prove their point will benefit the whole class. When the rebels fail, all honest students will see that the teacher is the only one qualified to lead the class. They will understand why the teacher thereafter removes any rebels from the class. Similarly, Jehovah knows that all honest hearted humans and angels will benefit from seeing that Satan and his fellow rebels have failed and that humans cannot govern themselves. Like Jeremiah of old, they will learn this vital truth: “I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.

VULCAN: Kindly provide us with two or three scriptural references that Adam and Eve lacked grace to overcome temptation. Thanks

Christ is the source of grace, I see no argument here, it is evident throughout the scriptures.

Image123:

Everyone is not a sinner.
Are you sinner?
Who/what will save you from sin? Has He/it saved you?

Everyone is a sinner. We have all sinned all our lives, and surely we will sin tomorrow.

You are sinner. You lie, you envy, you judge, you lust, you support injustice to others, you are a tithe fraud preacher, and you do not pay your taxes to the state, to mention just a few.

It's up to you to decide how you deal with your sins. If you think you need skydaddy to babysit you, that's your own personal choice.

As for my sins, I do not need any skydaddy or skybrother to save me . In fact I like and enjoy most of my sins. I try as much to abstain from sins that hurt my fellow human beings.
No Jesus required.

haibe:

Christ is the source of grace, I see no argument here, it is evident throughout the scriptures.

How?
And what the hell is grace? Can tell what is Hebrew word that was translated into Grace.

Secondly, are you saying that for 4000 out of the 6000yrs since you r god supposedly created man, all men lived without grace until Jesus came?

Another hilarious absurdity from the rich stables of religious babble.

@op.

forgive me for not checking what others had contributed.

Satan was the first to sin. the bible leaves us with the conclusion that satan's first sin was the one in the garden of Eden.

You can never blame God. He never created anybody as robot.

Note that satan was cast from heaven years after the first century, not before. His name is not lucifer.

plaetton:
How?
And what the help is grace? Can tell what is Hebrew word that was translated into Grace.

Secondly, are you saying that for 4000 out of the 6000yrs since you r god supposedly created man, all men lived without grace until Jesus came?

Another hilarious absurdity from the rich stables of religious babble.

What is grace?

There is no such thing as sin.Sin was invented by the Catholic Church. There was no fruit,there was no garden,there was no Adam,no Satan. If there were,there should be evidence. If the church cannot produce the location of the garden of Eden,the story is baseless just as the existence of a creator is baseless. All are false.

Judas2013: There is no such thing as sin.Sin was invented by the Catholic Church. There was no fruit,there was no garden,there was no Adam,no Satan. If there were,there should be evidence. If the church cannot produce the location of the garden of Eden,the story is baseless just as the existence of a creator is baseless. All are false.

sin was not invented by the catholic church, even the sango worshippers appease their god when they sin.

Sin is transgressing a given commandment, you can commit a sin to any authority not necessarily religious.

RationalDude: And Eve does not mean a person, it means a continent......... and that continent is the home of all amazonian warrior princess(es)........ they are the daughters of Asherah.

Funny how you ignored her in your explanation, I just thought I should help you out.

hahahaha.....wise answer dia!!!!

haibe:

What is grace?

I think I first asked you that question.

JMAN05: @op.

forgive me for not checking what others had contributed.

Satan was the first to sin. the bible leaves us with the conclusion that satan's first sin was the one in the garden of Eden.

You can never blame God. He never created anybody as robot.

Note that satan was cast from heaven years after the first century, not before. His name is not lucifer.

Huh!
Years after the First century?
I am confused.

Leo Adewale:
You Obviously Lack Opolo #YOLO

You are a person!

If you think I lack opolo, I dare you to come and prove it.