lai-lai:

@wafeftw
are u saying that cavs were still more likely to lose last year even if they had homecourt advantage?

and your second point is like announcing on a microphone that 1 + 1 = 2

A-40:

He is European!! how does the typical European big man play? where do you watch your basketball sef?Dirk still has game he still puts up 20 + points 9 rebounds and 3 assists per night he is still Mr Maverick and still has game what we need to do is get rid of Jason Kidd he has been producing stinker after stinker
I just hope they can make 1st seed although with the way the Celts are playing thats unlikely to happen and now that they have established that they have the pistons like defense of old the question now is can they get some offense from Pavlovic,Gibson,Ilgauskas,West,Szcerbiak,Wallace and the other loafers

WadeFTW:

[b]
I'm a really young kid, but I have more of an old school mentality.

WadeFTW:

I can care less how a European big man plays. History has shown traditional big men have had a far more impact on the game as far back as Mikan (Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Moses Malone, McHale, Dream, Prime Shaq, Admiral, Duncan, and now [b]D12). Nowitzki is an adequate first option on a contending team, but doesn't have nearly the impact as those guys I just mentioned. Especially on defense where he can't even guard a door.[/b]

Dirk is not the best big man in the game. I don't even considered Dirk a big man. A whopping 83% of all his shot attempts are off jumpshots. Yeah, hes great at what he does, but he doesn't have big man moves. Replace Dirk with a low ppost threat like D12 or Duncan and I'll GUARANTEE the Mavs have a better record. KG doesn't play like a big neither, but at least hes intimidating on the defensive end and doesn't hover around the perimeter 95% of the time. I think guards like Kobe and Billups even have more of a post up game than Dirk (LOL) 

WadeFTW:


W/O LeBrons supporting cast, [b]LeBron wouldn't stand a chance against the upper echelon powers. If LeBron doesn't have the necessary players built around him (gritty defenders that have a nose for the ball and/or are great rebounders), then I don't care when LeBron plays. Hes not getting it done. And LeBrons terrible jumpshot in the playoffs wouldn't help neither.

Most of y'all don't strike me as guys that puts enough emphasis on defense. All I hear is blame on Celts bench offense and LeBron James. Defense is half the game, and if not developed, then your team has no chance. I'm a really young kid, but I have more of an old school mentality. I value defense more than offense. Most of championship teams we've witnessed the past few years were defense oriented. Detroit, Spurs, Boston, and Miami to a lesser extent. Conversely, we've seen run-n-gun teams like Phoenix Suns that don't even make it to the conference Finals.[/b]

A-40:

Defense and rebounding is important i agree but of what use is all that if you can't get any offense go and watch the 07 NBA Finals again you would realize the importance of offense my brother they where probably the lowest scoring team in NBA Final history their support cast is not supporting enough on offense Game 7 at Boston is another example

A-40:

You can choose to care or not care but you cannot tell me thats not a factor unless you don't know your ball.Stop mentioning D12 he has not done squat in the post-season yet D.Wade did that in his 3rd season the fact is today's game has shifted from just relying on a big man to having good PG and Shooting guards who can either control traffic or take the game by the scruff of its neck Miami and Detroit are good examples even Shaq did not win his three rings without good backup from Kobe
Back to Dirk if you compare Dallas of old to what the Mavs have achieved in the last 4 or 5 years you would appreciate the goodness of Dirk i have told you defense is not a strong trait of European players if you don't get that then i am sorry i can't help you his array of moves driving to the hoop,shooting and handling the rock so good is the envy of all big men across the league Dirk is marquee a ring is all that would stop this hate and even if he does not win one i would name countless greats like Karl Malone and Reggie Miller that where not so lucky either

A-40:

Get this clear!! Lebron is the heart and soul of the Cavs no Lebron and the Cavs go straight back to the potential D-league team they where before King James came along if Cleveland had someone half as good as Lebron on their roster they would have won a ring
Defense is good but when you have anaemic offense you can only go so far as the Cavs found out against the Spurs when you miss open jumpers,layups and free throws what good is your defense?

WadeFTW:

[b]Its funny you brought up the 2007 Finals. Again, It wasn't the Cavs offense that was

nearly the problem as Spurs defense. In that series they basically turned LeBron into a

jumpshooter b/c they knew how to DEFEND the low post very well w/ Duncan anchoring

and altering shots while CLOGGING THE LANE to keep LeBron from penetrating to the

rim.

As we all know, LeBron has always had a deplorable jumpshot w/ terrible shooting

mechanics you wouldn't dare teach your kids. Who the f*** in this day and age do you see

shooting with their elbows out. It became very apparent, esp. when LeBron airballed alot of

shots, including FREETHROWS, during the series.

The thing was LeBron (at that time wasn't used to excellent lane clogging defenses like the

Spurs) and just got exposed. Oh, and the stats back that up.

LeBron shot .336 eFG% off jumpshots in that playoff season.

That is just flat-out terrible.

And Game 7 against Boston was just the icing on the cake. Rondo defended Kobe very

well and just exposed Kobe as an erratic, overrated, self-centered shooter he is (or was)

WadeFTW:

[b]Last I checked, D12 team went farther than Nowitzkis team last year in the postseason.

Not to mention that Nowitzkis team have been regressing horribly ever since the Finals. In

2006-07, they had no business losing to an eigth-seeded team like Golden State in the first

round. But now I could understand why that happened: b/c they lacked a low post threat

and a defensive anchor in the middle and just allowed GSW high-octane offense to run up

the score. Instead of looking to defend, they were busy trying to match the offensive skills of

the Warriors, which was a terrible philosophy by Avery Johnson.

I can care less if Dirk is a skilled big w/ a jumpshot: GET THE THEORY THAT A GREAT LOW

POST BIG GENERALLY HAS MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THE GAME THAN A GREAT

JUMPSHOOTING BIG

So what if the NBA has gotten more sissier w/ big men facing up moreso than posting up. It

doesn't change any my theory. The great low post players that I mentioned in my prior

post: Do you know what they would do in this league today?!?! LOL. Inexplicable. They

would eat these sissy, so-called big men for lunch. In fact, Prime Shaq and Duncan are great

examples[/b]   

Defense and Rebounding gives more scoring opportunites and attempts. I think it was

LeBron that was the problem, not that second option that we're all waiting for. Every year

in his playoff career he has shot terrible when teams would just clog the lane and have him

shoot all day. It works! He had good serviceable role players like Big Z, Varejao & Gooden to

feed the ball to in the post, and Gibson to kick out to. But the real truth, the real downfall of

the 2006-07 Finals was LeBrons jumpshot and his inability to drive through the lane, which

was his greatest strength. You take LeBrons greatest strength away from him, and he is

incredibly limited offensively. No post game then (despite his big frame), and no

jumpshot 

A-40:

Are you talking about the Lakers or the Cavs because that series ended in 6

As for that series even if Lebron did have a stinker can you name one player in the entire

Cavs roster that stepped up at any end of the floor throughout that series sweep?they

where all shyte from Big Z to Larry Hughes,Drew Gooden,Donyell Marshall Lebron should

be given credit for dragging arguably the most untalented roster to the NBA Finals the

Spurs have conquered better teams in the Knicks,Nets and Pistons in the past
The Cavs meltdown was down to the fact that no one stepped up i repeat no one!!

A-40:

Yeah D12's team went further but lost to an ageing Pistons team in 5 games and thats the

same team which Lebron's average Cavs beat in six games abeg i am not buying into

Dwight' Howard's hype yet comparing him to Lebron is an insult are you talking of

someone that averaged 35 points in his debut playoff season   .Howard still has a mighty

long way to go you guys should not over hype this kid just yet
Back to Dirk i would believe the Mavs and Avery Johnson where star-struck when they

came across their former master in Don Nelson we lost 3-0 in the regular season to them so i

am sure it must have played in their heads somewhat but thats not the issue
Granted low-post players tend to make more impact but thats not always the case there

are exceptions and Dirk is one of them
And today's game has changed with the rules offensive fouls and everything it is more inclined to the

guards and smaller guys if you doubt that look at the last 5 NBA Finals MVP list TD is the only big man you would find in the list so as a big man you have to develop and outside shot either from 18feet,15 or 10 this is what Dirk does expertly Dwight Howard is still a work in progress and is in no wise better than Dirk

WadeFTW:

Again, regarding LeBrons supporting cast. That team was one of the best defensive and rebounding teams in the league. It just shows how much more a great rebounding and defense is important. Allen Iverson took a similiar team to the Finals in 2001, so what exactly is your point? As a matter of fact: Iverson team actually won a game in the Finals, unlike LeBrons team. This, again, is yet another example of defense + rebounding is more pivitol to a teams success than offense

A superstar w/ defensive and rebounding oriented supporting cast & little offense >>>>> A superstar w/ offensive oriented supporting cast & little defense  

WadeFTW:

[b]Lets not forget that D12 was 22 years old then and has yet to reach his prime. LeBron supporting cast was deeper than D12s last year, although I'm not saying that D12 is the better player. But I wasn't comparing D12 to LeBron anyway. I was comparing him to Dirk, to give a prime example of what I mean by a REAL low post big.

They had a poll on ESPN today asking who would you rather have on the post for the rest of the season, comparing Duncan and D12. A whopping 71% chose D12. Imagine if they'd replaced Duncans name w/ Nowitzki. Thats just how much more lopsided the polls would be. And anyone who would choose Nowitzki over D12 would either be a blind homer or officially be considered dumber than a sack of rocks.

Read my posts carefully. I'm comparing D12 to Nowitzki b/c they virtually play the same position, but their styles are different.

I'm not also disputing the fact that Nowitzki is impactful, rather that a guy ike D12 is 3X more impactful. The defensive disparity is a BIGGGG boost. D12 is the leading DPOY candidate as we speak. He grabbs rebounds like a madman and averages over 4 blocks a game. Oppossing team guards are so afraid to penetrate into the lane b/c of D12s big frame and intimidating athletic abilities, so they resort to taking low percentage shots (jumpshots). THATS impact. Once D12 gets the ball in the post, hes too big and athletic to control and oppossing bigs just watch him take high % shots (shots closer to the rim) and dunk the ball w/ ferocity.
THATS impact. D12 leads the leads in offensive rebounds, meaning he gives his team alot of second chance points. THATS impact. Nowitzki doesn't do any of that and is a liability on defense. All he basically does better than D12 is shoot. And that is only for the guards to do. NOT BIG MEN!!!

And those handcheck rules you bring up doesn't affect guys like D12. He actually LEADS the league in free-throw attempts. That means he gets alot of calls in the post. Prime Shaq was a big and he led the league in FTAs. Handcheck rules doesn't necessarily apply to guards as you claim. As long as you're willing to ATTACK the rim, you'd be fine. If you look at all the guards/wings that attack the rim like Dwyane Wade, Devin Harris or LeBron James. Is it a coincidence those same guys top the league in free throw attempts? But then you're contradicting yourself, b/c since free-throw attempts are a by-product of attacking the rim and drawing fouls (due to handcheck), then generally jumpshooters like Dirk aren't proned to getting those calls b/c they don't attack enough. Remember 83% of Dirks attempts are off jumpers, so there was no reason for you to bring up handchecking, esp. if you were looking to support your arguement. 

Your statements hold no water. And I can barely understand your grammar/sentence structures.[/b]  

A-40:

A.I's Sixers had homecourt advantage sef and a better roster they where the best team in the East that season comparing them to underdogs like the Cavs says a lot about your basketball knowledge

A-40:

Besides don't you get simple english Mr Man their rebounding and defensive stats where inconsequential because they had no offense Lebron was shut down for most of the Series and no one else stepped up even the so-called fantastic defensive and rebounding team became useless because they could not take advantage of turnover's from San Antonio they had arguably the worst points average in NBA Finals history

A-40:

Every other thing you are speaking is just grammar even a superstar with a good defensive and rebounding oriented supporting cast equally needs an offense in equal measure the Spurs always get hyped about their defense but with players like Parker and Ginobili the offensive side to their game is grossly under-rated  

A-40:

How old is Lebron?he is only a year older and was about same age if not younger than Dwight when he dragged the Cavs to the Finals but thats not the issue how can you possibly compare a supporting cast of Hedo Turkoglu,Rashad Lewis,Jameer Nelson? to an ageing Ilgauskas,Ben Wallace an inconsistent Varejao and Pavlovic? you must be high on mushrooms your excuses for Dwight Howard are not working for me as there are no guarantees that he would be as good as you are hyping him up to be in years to come.

A-40:

Now back to your comparison to him and Dirk! Dwight is panya on offense and despite his centaur-like body structure he still got pounded in the paint by a Jason Maxiell who was amazingly 5 inches shorter and i am sure a few pound s lighter too  it is only shyte Centers and defenders like Kwame Brown,Diop and Erick Dampier that would be scared to guard Dwight! D12 has been doing pretty good but if he does not deliver in post-season your theory of him being the perfect and best big man in the league does not count for squat

A-40:

Dirk has never been a post-player in the first place me i don't know where you get your figures from but D12 is a Center and Dirk is a power forward their styles are pretty contrasting i have never been a big fan of regular season stats though and by the time the playoff season comes along you would see why! Marcus Camby has won defensive player of the year a few times too so has Ron Artest so why are you ranting about being DPOY? his stats are very impressive but whether it would count come playoff time when it matters is a different story

A-40:

Now talking about defense Dirk is number 4 in defensive rebounds in the league per game he might not be the best defender but he is not as soft as you haters paint him to be

A-40:

Dwight might have the better stats but till he proves his worth in the playoffs  you guys should just tape it shut and stop over-hyping that is my point

And one last thing ESPN polls don't count for squat an ageing TD still managed the Western Conference Finals how far did Mr Superman go?

lai-lai:

@A-40
this wadeftw guy has over-contradicted himself that i don't even know what he's saying again
i guess you understand what he's sayin, so proceed to increase the amount of pages this thread's got , . . .lol

@wadeftw
defence is 50%, offense is 50%
so ur rants are irrelevant

lai-lai:

with all d celts defence focused on him(top defenders in the game) leaving all his other teamates open(and they did almost nothing), he should still find a way to get the offense going on his own. . . , shit, even MJ didnt have that much burden. . . . .is he a superman that he should take care of the offense while the rest of the team just worry about defence, i don't think you know much about offense, even the best players of all time needs help on offence all the time if u don't know
a team consisting of a perimeter superstar with only defensive role players around him is rubbish

lai-lai:

ur post also interpretes that lebron is rubbish. . , . now thats a new one though u previously said kobe is over-rated, self-centered and stuf
but dnt worry, i'm not interested in arguing witchu. . . . u can state your points for the others

WadeFTW:

[b]Sixers had a better roster? Really? What a waste of my keystroke proving a dumb arguement.

The Sixers team that year featured Aaron McKie, Dikembe Mutombo, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill, Vernon Maxwell, Toni Kukoc & Nazr Muhammed They were all solid contributers in the past and only Mutombo, Snow & McKie were defensive specialists that were at the short end of their prime. Everyone else on that roster were either inexperienced, or past their prime. ALL of Iversons supporting cast were no more than role players and there was no such things as a second option. The offense was basically: Hand Iverson the rock and move the f*** out the way, basically similiar to the Cavs offense last season. LeBron at least had big Z to feed the ball to down low. None of the Sizer low post bigs were known for their offense. They still managed to make the Finals due to great defense & rebounding (that was their specialty, and still managed to take a game from one of the greatest dynasties of all time. LeBron couldn't even will a win from a lesser team.

But LeBrons supporting cast was better. He had Pavlocic, Damon Jones, Daniel Gibson, Donyell Marshall & Ira Newble who were all 3-PT specialists back in the 2006-07 season. LeBron had better shooters on his team. The only respectable outside shooter the Sixers had that year was Vernon Maxwell & Aaron McKie, and they didn't shoot all that well during the season. In fact, they shot worse %s than 6 Cavaliers players comparing the roster

And Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden & Big Z were better than anyone on that Sixers roster.

Not to mention the Sixers were the fifth highest defensive rated team in the league in 2001. LeBrons 2007 team was fourth.

So, no, Iverson roster was certainly not better. Any knowledgable basketball fan would laugh at you for making such a pathetic statement.[/b]    

WadeFTW:

LeBron was shutdown b/c he couldn't shoot the ball. The Spurs took his greatest strength away from him, which was penetrating by clogging the lane. Don't even come w/ that bull b/c LeBron had at least 5 guys on the team that shot the ball well from behind the arc. It was just that LeBron was reckless w/ the ball and couldn't find open teammates. Moreover, LeBron couldn't hit a jumpshot to save his life and that what ended up hurting the team. Not to mention that LeBron averaged almost 6 turnovers and had one of the worst Finals performances of all time. The Spurs took advantage of the reckless turnovers and long bricks by LeBron and started fastbreaks, b/c if you had any pint of knowledge about the game, you'd know that most long missed jumpshots usually begin fastbreaks at the other end, and LeBron was having a brickfest.

WadeFTW:

  That is an exception. The SPURS had BOTH. However, having a superstar w/ a great defensive SP around you is way better than having a superstar w/ a great offensive SP around you, and I stand corrected (esp. if you're a perimeter player which LeBron is).  

WadeFTW:

Why are you comparing LeBron to D12? Did I ever compare LeBron to D12. Show me in my post were I did, besides comparing their depth (not head-to-head like you are implying). You obviously have an infatuation w/ not having comprehension skills. I said the Cavs had a better depth, which means the whole roster, not just the starters. Quick to jump the gun, as always.

WadeFTW:

And why does D12 have to deliver in the postseason for you to be a believe. Not every superstar can lead win a championship. Not even LeBron (yet). There is some holes in Howards game (not disputing that), but what makes him more effective than Dirk is that he plays more of a big mans game. You have a better chance of winning a championship w/ a low post big like D12 than a jumpshooting big like Dirk. And history AGREES w/ me.[/b]      

WadeFTW:


 I cringe anytime I read the grammatical errors on your post. It's like eating paste off the wall. LMAO at bringing Cambys name up. Camby is an overrated defender! Most of his defense consists of weakside blocks and usually get overpowered by his man as he's not a good man defender. Thats why Camby doesn't perform as well, b/c he isn't nearly good as advertised. D12 on the other hand, is a good man defender who can also help out on the low block/weak side and alter shots. Please watch the games. You'll sound inferior in debates.  

WadeFTW:

[b]WOW, your grammar really needs work. What school did you attend? (LOL) I would have to file a lawsuit against the legimacy of the curriculum. D12 is a pansy on offense that averages over 21 points a game. Tell me how is he a pansy on offense. Yes, he isn't as skilled as Dirk, but he is more dominant (like a poor mans Shaq w/ minimal post moves, albeit still crazy dominant). When he gets the ball in the paint, he is so difficult to defend b/c not only is he strong, but insanely athletic, and you cannot help, but foul him when he goes up strong for a dunk, a hook, scoop shot, etc,    

WadeFTW:

LOL! If you adjust the the minutes into equal platform, you'll notice that Dirk doesn't even crack the top 10. In other words, Dirk is only fourth in defensive rebounds b/c he sees more minutes than your average everyday big

WadeFTW:

[b]Sixers had a better roster? Really? What a waste of my keystroke proving a dumb arguement.

The Sixers team that year featured Aaron McKie, Dikembe Mutombo, Theo Ratliff, Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill, Vernon Maxwell, Toni Kukoc & Nazr Muhammed They were all solid contributers in the past and only Mutombo, Snow & McKie were defensive specialists that were at the short end of their prime. Everyone else on that roster were either inexperienced, or past their prime. ALL of Iversons supporting cast were no more than role players and there was no such things as a second option. The offense was basically: Hand Iverson the rock and move the f*** out the way, basically similiar to the Cavs offense last season. LeBron at least had big Z to feed the ball to down low. None of the Sizer low post bigs were known for their offense. They still managed to make the Finals due to great defense & rebounding (that was their specialty, and still managed to take a game from one of the greatest dynasties of all time. LeBron couldn't even will a win from a lesser team.

But LeBrons supporting cast was better. He had Pavlocic, Damon Jones, Daniel Gibson, Donyell Marshall & Ira Newble who were all 3-PT specialists back in the 2006-07 season. LeBron had better shooters on his team. The only respectable outside shooter the Sixers had that year was Vernon Maxwell & Aaron McKie, and they didn't shoot all that well during the season. In fact, they shot worse %s than 6 Cavaliers players comparing the roster

And Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden & Big Z were better than anyone on that Sixers roster.

Not to mention the Sixers were the fifth highest defensive rated team in the league in 2001. LeBrons 2007 team was fourth.

So, no, Iverson roster was certainly not better. Any knowledgable basketball fan would laugh at you for making such a pathetic statement.[/b]    

LeBron was shutdown b/c he couldn't shoot the ball. The Spurs took his greatest strength away from him, which was penetrating by clogging the lane. Don't even come w/ that bull b/c LeBron had at least 5 guys on the team that shot the ball well from behind the arc. It was just that LeBron was reckless w/ the ball and couldn't find open teammates. Moreover, LeBron couldn't hit a jumpshot to save his life and [b]that what ended up hurting the team. Not to mention that LeBron averaged almost 6 turnovers and had one of the worst Finals performances of all time. The Spurs took advantage of the reckless turnovers and long bricks by LeBron and started fastbreaks, b/c if you had any pint of knowledge about the game, you'd know that most long missed jumpshots usually begin fastbreaks at the other end, and LeBron was having a brickfest.[/b]

That is an exception. The SPURS had BOTH. However, having a superstar w/ a great defensive SP around you is way better than having a superstar w/ a great offensive SP around you, and [b]I stand corrected (esp. if you're a perimeter player which LeBron is).[/b]

Why are you comparing LeBron to D12? Did I ever compare LeBron to D12. Show me in my post [b]were I did, besides comparing their depth (not head-to-head like you are implying). You obviously have an infatuation w/ not having comprehension skills. I said the Cavs had a better depth, which means the whole roster, not just the starters. Quick to jump the gun, as always. [/b]

WOW, your grammar really needs work. What school did you attend? (LOL) I would have to file a lawsuit against the [b]legimacy of the curriculum. D12 is a pansy on offense that averages over 21 points a game. Tell me how is he a pansy on offense. Yes, he isn't as skilled as Dirk, but he is more dominant (like a poor mans Shaq w/ minimal post moves, albeit still crazy dominant). When he gets the ball in the paint, he is so difficult to defend b/c not only is he strong, but insanely athletic, and you cannot help, but foul him when he goes up strong for a dunk, a hook, scoop shot, etc, 

And why does D12 have to deliver in the postseason for you to be a believe. Not every superstar can lead win a championship. Not even LeBron (yet). There is some holes in Howards game (not disputing that), but what makes him more effective than Dirk is that he plays more of a big mans game. You have a better chance of winning a championship w/ a low post big like D12 than a jumpshooting big like Dirk. And history AGREES w/ me.[/b]      

I cringe anytime I read the grammatical errors on your post. It's like eating paste off the wall. LMAO at bringing Cambys name up. Camby is an overrated defender! Most of his defense consists of weakside blocks and usually get overpowered by his man as he's not a good man defender. Thats why Camby doesn't perform as well, b/c he isn't nearly [b]good as advertised. D12 on the other hand, is a good man defender who can also help out on the low block/weak side and alter shots. Please watch the games. You'll sound inferior in debates.[/b]  

LOL! If you adjust the the minutes into equal platform, you'll notice that Dirk doesn't even crack the top 10. In other words, Dirk is only fourth in defensive rebounds b/c he sees more minutes [b]than your average everyday big[/b]    

You're an idiot. [b]Thats was a poll based on on who you'd take ON YOUR TEAM to be in the low post for ONE season. Why comparing two different teams?  Duncans supporting cast was marginally better than D12 and has had more experience playing w/ them, so of course Duncan would have more success. Take out of the box next time. It helps

Oh wait. . .[/b]

WadeFTW:

How did I overcontradicted myself? Explain.

And of course offense & defense is 50/50. Did you catch the jist of the arguement.

bawomolo:

dirk goes 0-6 from 3pt land in a loss to the spurs. as usual, he only makes the perimeter shot against wowo teams. nowinzki offensive rebounding as usual is pitiful.   A-40 shine your eyes  

derrick rose makes the bulls proud again, it wasn't long ago chris duhon and kirk hinrich hunted our dreams.  

A-40:

Are you high on concentrated gbana? he dropped 35 pts and 10 rebounds whether offensive or defensive! rebound na rebound

bawomolo:

nah it's the cheap bolivian weed sharon is supplying me.  he dropped 35 pts and gave up an equal amount on the defensive end.  if yall need some inside toughness we could always send joking noah to the mavericks for a couple of picks 

lai-lai:

@A-40
kings beating lakers is more shocking than wizards beating pistons
lakers still lack total conentration, terrible game

that spurs mavs one could hav gone either way, neither team wanted to give up, i'm sure both mavs and spurs will rise well in d standings later on
magis do have some sharp 3pt shooters around D12, they came good today while D12 was below par

A-40:

Listen fool you don't want to go the insult route with me trust me on that one! Now as per our argument what stats do you have to back your claim that Donyell Marshal and Ira Newble who saw little or no minutes in that final and Daniel Gibson who was a rookie that only made the spot-light in the Detroit series where offensive juggernauts?what had the likes of Drew Gooden,Larry Hughes and Big Z achieved before coming to the Cavs?.

A-40:

Would you compare A.I of 01 to Lebron of 07? Basketball is not your forte you should try shadow-boxing did you see the combined stats of the entire team outside Lebron? I am sure your moronic self did not know that only Gooden and Gibson where able to manage double digits in the entire roster throughout that series (12.8 and 10.0 pts per game) so much for your better supporting cast theory you would make a good clown at the Ringling Brother's Circus

A-40:

If you are not stupid you would not call the Spurs a lesser team because they won all 4 Finals they featured in but then its you so i guess stupidity comes natural

A-40:

Lebron had an awful Series but could still manage 22 pts per game i have seen better so-called star players with worse stats Kobe had a stinker against the Celts last season and he had an obviously better team.Let me kick some facts for you it would interest you to know that Lebron's team mates where so shyte that none of them where able to provide up to 3 assists per game Lebron provided almost 7  so much for your moronic argument about Lebron not finding open team mates it is painfully obvious you didn't watch that series because i cannot count how many times Cleveland went for minutes on end without being able to make a basket.They where missing free-throws,wide open jumpers and sometimes the ball simply refused to go into the rim.He was surrounded by whack players even experienced NBA analysts would tell you that

A-40:

I saw you talking rubbish about Lebron so i decided to compare him to your over-hyped element which was Dwight Howard.I might have problems with just comprehension skills but you have no skills at all

Thats not too bright of you. I'm not arguing D12 is better than LeBron, but what comes w/ a dumb logic follows another personal attack about someones knowledge. Hypocrite much?  

A-40:

The Cavs starters as at last season or two seasons ago where barely good enough not to talk of the bench it is obvious you need a dictionary to read and step up your Vocab as the meaning of depth seems to be lost on you

A-40:

Because thats what great players do who would mention Dwight Howard's name in 20 years time if he cannot lead Orlando to their First NBA title?Its obvious you are still a new jack in the game the playoffs are the only thing that matters if you didn't know that by now then its obvious you are a basketball novice.Lebron dragged an unfancied Cleveland team to the NBA Finals,Dirk came within two games of winning it!!

A-40:

Dwight is yet to do that and inasmuch as i am not saying he would never do it he has to show me proof before i believe his hype what is so hard in that for you to understand?

A-40:

You are a spastic slowpoke i brought those names up so you could stop ranting and raving about Dwight Howard being in the running for Defensive Player of the year just so you know that some average players have won it too besides who does not know that Marcus Camby mainly relies on blocks and rebounding  

A-40:

He was so athletic yet he was beat up and and out-muscled like a wuss by a much smaller defender in Maxiell in last season's conference semi's i would only reckon with him when he brings his athleticism to the playoffs

A-40:

He stays out of foul trouble and rarely needs a rest add that to the fact that he is usually effective for much of the game how would he not get more minutes?With your idiotic rants one would think you have a perfect mastery of the English Language.Hypocritical Pharisee what did i type in my piece that was too complicated for your feeble mind to understand? you made at least 7 grammatical faux pas and you are busy talking about my grammar
You can't even spell argument and you are ranting about my curriculum you should be shot  

lai-lai:

so lebron does not have a jumpshot and u disagree with A-40 for him to be surrounded by better offensive role players,
when he drives to the lane and the lane is clogged, what's he meant to do?
is he not meant to throw d ball to his teammates who should be free at that point in time to knockdown shots?, are those teammates not meant to be good offensively?
how u don't get this, i don't understand

bawomolo:

nah it's the cheap bolivian weed sharon is supplying me.  he dropped 35 pts and gave up an equal amount on the defensive end.  if yall need some inside toughness we could always send joking noah to the mavericks for a couple of picks 

lai-lai:

@A-40
kings beating lakers is more shocking than wizards beating pistons
lakers still lack total conentration, terrible game

that spurs mavs one could hav gone either way, neither team wanted to give up, i'm sure both mavs and spurs will rise well in d standings later on
magis do have some sharp 3pt shooters around D12, they came good today while D12 was below par

Thugs_R_Us:

[b]Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never claimed they were "offensive juggernauts" as you put it. Show me in my posts where I referred to LeBrons cast as such. Instead, I claimed they were good serviceable role players on offense w/ great defense & rebounding (their bread & butter) which is 100% fact. Why do you like twisting peoples words?

Thugs_R_Us:

   When an argument doesn't go your way, you resort to personal attacks. Very classy of you. They couldn't manage to score more b/c LeBron was busy chucking the team out of the series w/ his brickest. He also commited 5.8 turnovers a game, most in NBA Finals history. Did you ever think of that? Why aren't you addressing the issue? So how you expect his supporting cast to score more is beyond me. When Gibson, Gooden, Big Z & Varejao were given the ball, they shot good percentages. Other than that, LeBron was busy either, shooting his team out of games, or commiting stupid turnovers (traveling, bad pass, charge etc, )

Thugs_R_Us:

So, you actually believe the Spurs were better than the three peat Lakers?!? (ROFFLES). WOW. And you attacking my knowledge of the game.

Thugs_R_Us:

[b]Those 22 points came off mostly either free throws, fast break points, or inefficient jumpers . When you take a ridiculous amount of shots, you are bound to score 22 points in a game. The real question is: Was it an efficient 22 points? I think we already know that answer to that.

And LeBrons teammates not averaging more than 3 assists a game is sheer poppycock. LeBron needs the ball in his hands to be effective, being the primary ball-handler and the defacto point guard. But then, he was busy making stupid decisions w/ the ball and shooting his team out the game. LeBrons mistakes could've in fact turned into assists for his teammates. So, then why do you expect his casts to average more than 3 APG, when LeBron himself is the primary ball-handler? 27% of all of the shots LeBron took throughout the playoffs that year were assisted. Therefore, LeBron isn't a good off-ball player. 

Not to mention that LeBron had one of the worst assist-to-turnover ratio: a better indication of a good passer, than just assists (a real NBA fan would know that). Yeah, LeBron averaged alot of assists in the Finals, but at what cost?

So, there goes your so-called knowledge of the game. LeBron is actually the one that sets the tone on offense and looks to find his cutting man, or an open teammate. Yet another dumb logic by A-40 himself.[/b]

Thugs_R_Us:

Thats not too bright of you. I'm not arguing D12 is better than LeBron, but what comes w/ a dumb logic follows another personal attack about someones knowledge. Hypocrite much? 

Thugs_R_Us:

No disrespect, but you are infact delusional if you believe having a good (but not great) starting cast translates to poor depth.

Thats a big IF. He has many more years in the NBA to get to the Finas. Nowitzki didn't get to the Finals until his late 20s. It happens. You can't expect D12 to get to the Finals when he hasn't even sniffed his prime. LeBron couldn't even will his team to the Finals at 22. LeBron did that at 23. D12 just TURNED 23 TWO DAYS AGO.

Thugs_R_Us:

DURRRRRR!!
Yes. D12 must will his team to the championship at age 23, b/c LeBron James did it Nice logic.

Thugs_R_Us:


Apprently you. Otherwise, you wouldn't have brought his name up, trying to compare both. D12 is a legit defender. Camby isn't.

One erratic game does not make a player, although I wouldn't expect you to know that. .

Thugs_R_Us:

Please. Enough excuses about your boy. He doesn't bring anything to the table other than his jumpshot. When his jumpshot is flat he is basically useless. He is an OK rebounder (for his height) and a good passer at times (I must admit), but he doesn't impact games as a D12, KG or Duncan. He doesn't anchor defenses, give his team second chance opportunities, etc. Remember, defense is half the game, and Dirk is non-existent. He isn't a force inside, and doesn't have legit post game other than facing up his opponent.

Thanks for the insults. It shows your character in simple debates.