JosBoy4Lif:

What the hell is going on with the raptors they drop their last three straight.

Today's loss against Portland was a heart breaker.
(Oden is such an unpolished player, but Portland looks good and I don't how?)

On a lighter note I see the Cav's giving a run against Boston in the east.

I think Detroit will fall off by mid-season. Allan Iverson is too individualistic for the Pistons system of play.

I am still a firm believer that OJ Mayo will be MVP because he takes 20 shots a night, and plays for a depleted roster.

A-40:

@Jesoul
Seriously if the Cavs get home-court on y'all in a playoff series they would not fall short ooh

JeSoul:

The Cavs are a 1-man team. Using the Lakers template, find a way to neutralize or contain or at best limit the damage from Lebron, and shut everyone else down, Lebron cannot win by himself. Remember the stinker of a 'series' in the finals?

The Celtics have a huge weakness though: lack of offense from our bench. Ainge needs to trade for someone before the deadline or sign someone or else repeating will be a tall order with the current reserves.

A-40:

@Jesoul
I am not sure the Cavs are as one-man as they where in 07 when they lost to the Spurs although i still agree the rest of the team is shyte but looking at last season's playoff series you and i know that homecourt was what saw you through against ATL and Cleveland y'all are still favorites though but not unbeatable

WadeFTW:

I would trade the Heat bench for the Celtics bench anyway. And that INCLUDES Michael Beasley

Celtics have perhaps the best bench in the NBA. The Celtics are the epitome of depth

A-40:

@Jesoul
I am not sure the Cavs are as one-man as they where in 07 when they lost to the Spurs although i still agree the rest of the team is shyte but looking at last season's playoff series you and i know that homecourt was what saw you through against ATL and Cleveland y'all are still favorites though but not unbeatable

JeSoul:

    for where?  I love Glen Davis but he's an offensively liability and so is the red head Scalabrine. House is great but inconsistent and so is Tony Allen. It's only Powe that I have confidence in to bring it every night. Nah depth is not a word I'd associate with the Celtics bench.
  You certainly got that right. I think if they can somehow snag a proven veteran to help on reserve scoring, it'll go a long way.

WadeFTW:

Scalabrine doesn't get that much PT. He plays 14% of the Celtics minutes according to 82games.com. Way to throw his name in there. Nice try, but it won't work.

Bostons reserves offensively as a whole are very good. They don't log alot of minutes (bottom 10 in minutes per game) but they do average more points than most teams per game and are above average in scoring. Imagine if you gave the Celts reserves more minutes. I guarentee, they'll top the league in scoring. They average more points-per-minute than any other team in the league.

http://www.82games.com/0809/STSORT10.HTM

I rest my case.

JeSoul:

lol . . . the reason Doc Rivers doesn't play them more is because they don't produce offense! They lose huge double digit leads and Doc has to quickly bring back the starters to stop the bleeding.

Did you watch the last 2 games? esp last night? Jim O'brien's strategy worked to a T because he brought in his starters against the Celtics bench, and quickly the 1Q double digit lead evaporated.

I'm not saying the bench is a complete wash out, Powe is great, and like I said House and Tony Allen are very good, they just need to be consistent every night. We're not trying to be an average team, but a repeat championship team. And you cannot do that with a half-baked, average bench.

We're not trying to be an average team, but a repeat championship team.

WadeFTW:

If the Celts bench is not inconsistent, then no bench in the NBA is consistent b/c the Celts reserves are one of the better teams statistically in the league, and they have an advantage on other teams oppossing reserves on most nights. If the Celts bench are not good offensively, then explain why they are above average in scoring per 100 possessions.

If the Celts are losing leads like that, then the blame can only be put on Doc (he doesn't exactly have a good track record other than the championship season), b/c it clearly shows thats hes not adept w/ his substitutions. Perhaps he is leaving his second units to play w/ oppossing teams first units FOR TOO LONG. Hence why they lose leads. Simple. 

Celts fans are in no condition to complain. 

bawomolo:

who dash monkey banana

JeSoul:

  Oga Wade you're not listening to me, I did not say our bench is garbage, I said the bench is good, but it is not championship level yet!
  Obviously both the starters & the bench must be doing something very right with a 20-2 record    I did not say either the Celtic bench does not outplay other teams on different nights, I said they are inconsistent! Drop 60 today and 10 tomorrow so obviously the averages will not show these inconsistent numbers.
 
  My simple point is this: the bench is good, but not ready to repeat. Kapish.

    you were just quoting stats for me how the bench doesn't play long enough . . . now the story is if perhaps Doc is leaving them in too long? 
  who is complaining?  we are 20-2! I simply said the Celtics one weakness is getting consistent offense from their bench. Shikena.

WadeFTW:

The facts still remains that the Celts have one of the best benches in the NBA, inconsistent or not.

It's apparent Doc doesn't make the right substitutions and he ends up getting outcoached on most occasions, yet Boston gets by b/c of the talent disparity. If Doc was consistent in his rotations then the reserves wouldn't show inconsistency to begin w/.

Statistically, I proved the Celts reserves have no problem scoring,

b/c you said they had a "lack of offense from the bench". Those were your words. Then, you went on to say they were inconsistent?
Which one is it?

I criticized your post b/c you blatantly declared the Celts as being an utter liability from the bench (offensively), which isn't nearly true.

omi tutu:

hehehehe. . .

Jesoul and WadeFTW .

Bo, I bet there are more pertinent issues in the NBA season than the Celts bench

Like. . . .Is Dirk the best big man in the NBA?

WadeFTW:

WadeFTW said:

b/c you said they had a "lack of offense from the bench". Those were your words. Then, you went on to say they were inconsistent?
Which one is it?

Jesoul said:

It is both

I think thats all we need to know. Your POSTS are inconsistent and contradictory.

This is what you said on post #514:

The Celtics have a huge weakness though: lack of offense from our bench. Ainge needs to trade for someone before the deadline or sign someone or else repeating will be a tall order with the current reserves.

Now you claim the Celts have this lack of offense. But somehow this Celts "lack of offense" ranks amongst the upper echelon of teams in the NBA (stat-wise).
Saying the Celts are inconsistent is one thing, but claiming they have absolutely no offense whatsoever is absurd.

omi tutu:

hehehehe. . .

Jesoul and WadeFTW .

Bo, I bet there are more pertinent issues in the NBA season than the Celts bench

Like. . . .Is Dirk the best big man in the NBA?

JeSoul:

  Wade, you're funny, the way you consistently read more into my posts that I state. my goodness you're a piece of work. When one says lack of offense does that = zero offense?    whether na inconsistent or lack of offense, it equals the same thing in that the bench needs help.
  Even if you wanted to be nitpicky about my words, did I not break it down further to individual players? that Powe was good, Allen and House needed to step it up, but Davis & Scal are the real offensive liabilities?

lai-lai:

cavs are definitely more than just lebron now and last year, it was d home court advantage as A-40 said
i expect a closer, grittier series if they happen to hav a matchup this season

WadeFTW:

LLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!! [b]Dirk doesn't even PLAY like a traditional big man. He is a poor man & help defender, and his team has REGRESSED over the last few years. He is an afterthought.[/b]

lai-lai:

cavs are definitely more than just lebron now and last year, it was d home court advantage as A-40 said
i expect a closer, grittier series if they happen to hav a matchup this season

WadeFTW:

Exactly. Stating that one has lack of offense is simply expressing the fact that they are a total liability and cannot be looked upon at any time as a viable option.

Stating inconsistency is expressing the fact the Celts have a tendency to show great spurts offensively, showing flashes of potential and promise, but not necessarily in perfect harmony.

All in all, to sum up my points

- The defense/rebounding and Doc substitutions may play more into the reserves woes than their offense (stats back it up)
- lack of something does not equal inconsistency

- lack of something does not equal inconsistency

A-40:

He is European!! how does the typical European big man play? where do you watch your basketball sef?Dirk still has game he still puts up 20 + points 9 rebounds and 3 assists per night he is still Mr Maverick and still has game what we need to do is get rid of Jason Kidd he has been producing stinker after stinker

He is European!! how does the typical European big man play? where do you watch your basketball sef?