I don't know if Awolowo is similar to GEJ but there's one factor prof corruption and Katsmoto keep hammering on, that's the need for Akintola to follow the Ideology of AG. Now, let me deal with this point holistically, Akintola decided to be his own man by trying to assert his own authority and choose a different political path from the one Awolowo laid out for him. This singular action brought the disagreement between both of them which resorted to the Vote of no confidence and reinstatement of Akintola by the courts. So in summary, Awolowo interferred in Akintola's administration when he felt he was derailing from AG's manifesto.
Now, let's dissect Amaechi and Jonathan's alleged face off. PDP has a clear Manifesto. Amaechi knew about this manifesto before he decided to contest under PDP, let's assume we all agree that GEJ is interferring with Amaechi's government because he is uncomfortably close to opposition governors(APC governors) which is clearly an anti- party offence .
So if we are to draw a parallel btw GEJ and Awolowo as regards Amaechi and Akintola respectively, we wil find out that both did what they termed the best for their party, Awolowo orchestrated Akintola's impeachment while GEJ is 'handling' Amaechi.
Now, i think ndu_chuks is right on this one because it will amount to a great deal of hypocrisy to demonize GEJ for Ameachi's saga and not return the favour when it gets to Awolowo and Akintola's saga. Prof corruption even strengthened Ndu-chuks's argument by insinuating that AG under Awolowo's leadership won the election and not Akintola well, PDP under GEJ won the Rivers state election and not Amaechi. Amaechi wasn't even in the country when PDP led by Nyesom Wike won Rivers State.

Only a dullard would compare GEJ to Awo.

tawa89: I don't know if Awolowo is similar to GEJ but there's one factor prof corruption and Katsmoto keep hammering on, that's the need for Akintola to follow the Ideology of AG. Now, let me deal with this point holistically, Akintola decided to be his own man by trying to assert his own authority and choose a different political path from the one Awolowo laid out for him. This singular action brought the disagreement between both of them which resorted to the Vote of no confidence and reinstatement of Akintola by the courts. So in summary, Awolowo interferred in Akintola's administration when he felt he was derailing from AG's manifesto.
Now, let's dissect Amaechi and Jonathan's alleged face off. PDP has a clear Manifesto. Amaechi knew about this manifesto before he decided to contest under PDP, let's assume we all agree that GEJ is interferring with Amaechi's government because he is uncomfortably close to opposition governors(APC governors) which is clearly an anti- party offence .
So if we are to draw a parallel btw GEJ and Awolowo as regards Amaechi and Akintola respectively, we wil find out that both did what they termed the best for their party, Awolowo orchestrated Akintola's impeachment while GEJ is 'handling' Amaechi.
Now, i think ndu_chuks is right on this one because it will amount to a great deal of hypocrisy to demonize GEJ for Ameachi's saga and not return the favour when it gets to Awolowo and Akintola's saga. Prof corruption even strengthened Ndu-chuks's argument by insinuating that AG under Awolowo's leadership won the election and not Akintola well, PDP under GEJ won the Rivers state election and not Amaechi. Amaechi wasn't even in the country when PDP led by Nyesom Wike won Rivers State.

Thank goodness we still have one or two reasonable people who would not allow unnecessary emotionalism and partisanship tp becloud their common sense and simple logic.

There is no basis for unnecessary bickering, Akintola remains a traitor, he single-handedly brought the current 'Political Divides' into the Yoruba Political Mainstream, he had bred so many disciples in the process of veering off, people like Obasanjo, M.K.O Abiola, Akinloye, Tinubu (who used to lay claim to being an Awoist), and many more......It's a pity many Yorubas would-be gladiators are poor students of history. Awolowo remains a Tree that makes a Forest as far as the political landscape of Nigeria is concerned!

tawa89: I don't know if Awolowo is similar to GEJ but there's one factor prof corruption and Katsmoto keep hammering on, that's the need for Akintola to follow the Ideology of AG. Now, let me deal with this point holistically, Akintola decided to be his own man by trying to assert his own authority and choose a different political path from the one Awolowo laid out for him. This singular action brought the disagreement between both of them which resorted to the Vote of no confidence and reinstatement of Akintola by the courts. So in summary, Awolowo interferred in Akintola's administration when he felt he was derailing from AG's manifesto.
Now, let's dissect Amaechi and Jonathan's alleged face off. PDP has a clear Manifesto. Amaechi knew about this manifesto before he decided to contest under PDP, let's assume we all agree that GEJ is interferring with Amaechi's government because he is uncomfortably close to opposition governors(APC governors) which is clearly an anti- party offence .
So if we are to draw a parallel btw GEJ and Awolowo as regards Amaechi and Akintola respectively, we wil find out that both did what they termed the best for their party, Awolowo orchestrated Akintola's impeachment while GEJ is 'handling' Amaechi.
Now, i think ndu_chuks is right on this one because it will amount to a great deal of hypocrisy to demonize GEJ for Ameachi's saga and not return the favour when it gets to Awolowo and Akintola's saga. Prof corruption even strengthened Ndu-chuks's argument by insinuating that AG under Awolowo's leadership won the election and not Akintola well, PDP under GEJ won the Rivers state election and not Amaechi. Amaechi wasn't even in the country when PDP led by Nyesom Wike won Rivers State.

The problem with your approach is that you think one man makes a party. That is not how it works in a democracy. Akintola was elected by his constituency in Ogbomoso to the Western House of Reps. His party, with a clear majority in the House, then voted him in as Premier. The party that voted him in can also vote him out as premier but not as a rep. As a rep, Akintola is free to do as he pleases; the choice to remove him as a rep is down to those who elected him in Ogbomoso. But as a premier, his loyalty is to those party members who elected him. If Akintola decided 'to be his own man' then he should be ready to relinquish the position. I asked Ndu_chuks these questions and I will ask them of you as well - what is the process for removing a prime minister or premier in a parliamentary system? Why would a party choose to remove a premier or Prime minister? Are you familiar with the reasons and process for the removal of Margaret Thatcher in 1989?

Drawing a parallel between Awo/Akintola and GEJ/Ameachi is illogical for two reasons (1) GEJ and the PDP can't vote out Ameachi. They can expel him from the post but they can't remove him from his post as Governor. AG expelled Akintola from the party and removed him as premier because they made him premier but they couldn't remove him as a rep. (2) Akintola/Awo/AG feud was on ideological differences while Ameachi/GEJ feud is based on personal selfish ambitions. PDP has no discernible ideology/manifesto. What is this manifesto that has caused the rift between GEJ and Ameachi?

I don't want to keep belaboring this point but when you voted into a power by a party and not a people, then the party is at liberty to remove you if you deviate from its ideology/ways.

See below for excerpt of an interview with Professor Sam Aluko. Awo was not autocratic, he consulted always with his team.

Experience with Awo

Economists do not have answer to everything. It is just that they have answers to some things. You cannot advise an empty mind. Somebody you want to advise must know faintly or clearly what you want to do, even if he wants to have a second opinion or additional opinion to add to what he thinks he should do. In other words, he is someone that has vision. This is one area that Chief Obafemi Awolowo excelled in. He would have done his homework, [size=14pt]consulted widely[/size] and so on. It is very easy to advise such people.

Mind you, economists prefer the word �thank you�. Economics is a science of alternatives. If we do it this way what will likely be the results and if we do it that way, what will likely be the results. If we build a factory in my own village in Ekiti, instead of Lagos, what are the problems, what are the advantages? If we build in Ode, in Ekiti, we are going to provide a generating set, construct road because there is need for it to transport our goods, and we will need to provide market. But if it is Lagos, all these things are already there so no need to go into additional cost. So the cost of putting the factory in Ode vis-�-vis putting it in Lagos will be obvious. If the factory is in Lagos it can still benefit the people in Ode, but the reverse will not be so. And once they see that your advice is a bit better than theirs, they take it. These are the kind of people that are easy to work with.

But if the person being advised is an empty mind and somebody comes to say don�t mind him, put it in Ode, and without thinking of the options, he goes ahead and follow the advice, well, we have a problem here. They can even tell him not to put it in either Lagos or Ode, instead let it be built by private people. That is why we say in economics that the empty mind does things of the last person that he sees before he goes to bed.

Same Interview

As an adviser to Awo, Abacha, Abudusalami, who among them took advice and who didn�t?

The best of them was Awolowo, followed by Abacha. Chief Adekunle Ajasin, ex-governor of old Ondo State between 1979 and 1983, was good at taking advice but people told him, look, who is the governor here - you or Aluko?


Did you have such experience with Awo (after describing issues he had with Abacha)?

No, we argued and disagreed on certain issues but it was okay. You know [size=14pt]he was a democrat[/size]. First of all he would have discussed it with his cabinet and if there was anything, he would call us. He would say �go and get me a paper.� We would discuss. Every two weeks I used to go to Ikenne. I criticised him and at times he criticised us. Some of us were in the UPN cabinet then even when we were not card-carrying members of the UPN. That was how some of us became members. We contributed to development. At times he would say, �Sam and your group what do you think?� When there was going to be a major decision on any issue, he would not take decision until we contributed.

Interview continued

The Akintola/Awo crisis

In fact, it was we, who caused the problem between Akintola and Awolowo. There was a group in the university then, led by Prof. Oyenuga. He was chairman of the Committee of Civil Liberty at that time. We had Prof. Odumosu, Prof. Wole Soyinka, some Europeans and myself. We said, as a group, the way things were going, we must have an ideology guiding us. Some were saying at that time that what the people were doing was only to take care of the rich, giving them big cars, staying in government houses, enjoying themselves except Awolowo who was living in his own house. So, we thought we had to have a guiding principle.

One, to plan the economy. Two, to inform government what individuals in government must do. So, we had what we called democratic socialism, which now became the policy of the Action Group. So, Awo said this democratic socialism we must try it, which he did into concrete programmes like agriculture, health, roads etc.

So, we were writing papers for him in Oke-Ado, Ibadan every two weeks. So, those were the papers that Awolowo then took to the party and Akintola was opposed to it. Akintola said if a man had agbada, he must not have buba. If he had buba, he must not have sokoto. That was exactly what caused their problem. Akintola had become premier by then, so he said why should Awolowo be organising people to write philosophy for the party. That when Awo was premier, they were writing for him as premier and that since he (Akintola) had assumed the premiership, they should be writing for him. He felt that Awo was out to undermine him, and said no, things could not continue like that. The [size=16pt]major thing that caused the rift was that Akintola didn't like democratic socialism[/size]. We were not the main problem though, but we were part of the problem. He had wanted the NPC's capitalistic elitist way of government, [size=16pt]which we opposed.[/size]

Summary

1. A committee of academics came up with the ideology of Democratic Socialism and not Awo. Awo as a leader took it up and presented to the party.

2. Akintola did not like Democratic Socialism because he preferred the NPC elitist ideology of a few being rich and the rest being subservient to the rich

3. Akintola was in a party in which he didn't like the ideology

4. He opposed the party and was voted out.

5. Democracy at work

6. Akintola lost in the courts and then got Balewa, his friend, to rush legislation through parliament and then BACK date the start date to 1960. Meanwhile, this was in late 1962

7. Awo was not autocratic because he always consulted with his party and appointed committee members. He was good at listening to advice.

Katsumoto, when you are cornered, you start posting epistles which have no bearing whatsoever on an arguement you have already lost.

No one is asking for your irrelevant lectures. The bottom line is that Awo interfered in Akintola's governance. You can post the whole encyclopedia if you like but it will not change that fact. Literature and newspaper accounts are filled with reports where Akintola himself attested to the interference.

Don't be lazy, dig those reports out as well.

ndu_chucks: Katsumoto, when you are cornered, you start posting epistles which have no bearing whatsoever on an arguement you have already lost.

No one is asking for your irrelevant lectures. The bottom line is that Awo interfered in Akintola's governance. You can post the whole encyclopedia if you like but it will not change that fact. Literature and newspaper accounts are filled with reports where Akintola himself attested to the interference.

Don't be lazy, did those reports out as well.

Who cornered me? You Alhaji? That's not possible.

You are pontificating vaingloriously on the thread you started.

You allege that there are newspaper accounts and literature with accounts of Awolowo's interference. You can't provide those publications, yet you have the temerity to accuse me of being lazy.

Alhaji, you are the lazy one here. You came to a debate unprepared and are now asking your opponent to furnish you with ammunition? Are you Ojukwu's son?

Let me tell you something - in a debate about the person/performance of Obafemi Awolowo, anyone against him will LOSE. Do you hear me? I didn't benefit from his policies, yet I am one of his biggest defenders. Imagine if I benefited from his policies. You would have de-activated your account by now.

Utterly disgusting and disrespectful thread created by an unrepentant troll.


How about go compare Ahmadu Bello to Osama Bin Laden? - at least those two had a lot in common.

shy-mmex:
Utterly disgusting and disrespectful thread created by an unrepentant troll.


How about go compare Ahmadu Bello to Osama Bin Laden? - at least those two have a lot in common.

You are onto something.

I am about to give alhaji ndu_chucks a dose of his own medicine. Unlike the poor job he did in comparing Awolowo to GEJ, I will do a detailed job.

Alhaji, I am coming for your hero.

Katsumoto:

You are onto something.

I am about to give alhaji ndu_chucks a dose of his own medicine. Unlike the poor job he did in comparing Awolowo to GEJ, I will do a detailed job.

Alhaji, I am coming for your hero.

You the bomb. This people from the land of the dead sun are just pathetic liars. Imagine comparing heaven (Awolowo) and earth (GEJ).

debetmx:

You the bomb. This people from the land of the dead sun are just pathetic liars. Imagine comparing heaven (Awolowo) and earth (GEJ).

Alhaji is from the North - most likely Fulani or Hausa.

Katsumoto:

Alhaji is from the North - most likely Fulani or Hausa.

He sounds more like from the children of the bearded transvestite bloated toad.

shy-mmex:
Utterly disgusting and disrespectful thread created by an unrepentant troll.


How about go compare Ahmadu Bello to Osama Bin Laden? - at least those two had a lot in common.

This boy must be an Ijebu or another Awo worshiper. Carry on with your name calling and enjoy yourself. The truth is, you always feel inferior to Oyo/Ibadan axis yorubas so your reaction is understandable.

@Kats. Go ahead and lick your wounds by opening whatever thread you wish. You will not see your kind of emotional outburst cum revisionist tendencies from me. What is clear as a whistle is that Awo interfered.

ndu_chucks:

This boy must be an Ijebu or another Awo worshiper. Carry on with your name calling and enjoy yourself. The truth is, you always feel inferior to Oyo/Ibadan axis yorubas so your reaction is understandable.

@Kats. Go ahead and lick your wounds by opening whatever thread you wish. You will not see your kind of emotional outburst cum revisionist tendencies from me. What is clear as a whistle is that Awo interfered.

Are you done with your comparison? Do you still have other points you want to raise?

Katsumoto:

Are you done with your comparison? Do you still have other points you want to raise?

I am yet to address one more point. In a couple of hours or later I will show you why Awo's selfishness is responsible for the corrupt climate and the backward condition which we find ourselves in Nigeria today. If it'll make you feel better, in this case I hold Awolowo and Zik responsible.

ndu_chucks:

I am yet to address one more point. In a couple of hours or later I will show you why Awo's selfishness is responsible for the corrupt climate and the backward condition which we find ourselves in Nigeria today. If it'll make you feel better, in this case I hold Awolowo and Zik responsible.

Hahahahahahahaha

That would be interesting. You mean you aren't completely dead; I was just about to extinguish the remaining life in this thread. That would be a tall order but I await nonetheless. I am sure it wont be any different to the illogical postulations you have presented thus far.

But I advise you - please provide something to support your position. Don't make an assertion and then ask me to provide the evidence. I have been very kind to you on this thread because we are friends. You know if you were Onlylies, I would have been more brutal.

ndu_chucks:

Why are you desperately trying to convince people that Akintola was voted out by AG reps when no one is disputing this issue? Your typical style of winning an arguement by creating a non existent issue and presenting points in support of same, falls flat on its face this time arround.

The reason why the same AG Reps who voted Akintola in as Premier turned against him is because of Awolowo's interferance and influence. Period! You cannot escape the fact. Having lost the political battle, Awo and his thugs resorted to wetie in a barbaric act of violence against fellow Yorubas. What kind of visionary leader would lead such an affair?

Awo interfered with Akintola's governance just like GEJ is interferingwith Amaechi's in Rivers state. The facts are there for all to see and no amount of intellectual obfuscation can hide these facts.

From what I have gathered so far, YES Awolowo interfered but was it unconstitutional? If it was then, there is basis for comparison.

debetmx:

I guess that makes you happy. You can leave your "IGBO" joint now.

onye ara that is what you are.

ndu_chucks:

I am yet to address one more point. In a couple of hours or later I will show you why Awo's selfishness is responsible for the corrupt climate and the backward condition which we find ourselves in Nigeria today. If it'll make you feel better, in this case I hold Awolowo and Zik responsible.

You are a funny dude!

Prof Corruption:



You are a funny dude!

I am sure Alhaji is waiting for a contract to be signed and is kinda restless and bored.

Hence why he doesn't mind taking a beating this week.

Katsumoto:

I am sure Alhaji is waiting for a contract to be signed and is kinda restless and bored.

Hence why he doesn't mind taking a beating this week.

Contract to build more Almajiris schools.

Prof Corruption:

Contract to build more Almajiris schools.

Probably, given his comparison between an education legacy and almajiri education policy.

Katsumoto:

Probably, given his comparison between an education legacy and almajiri education policy.

Where do you get the patience to lecture people from, it is obvious Alhaji is trolling.

ndu_chucks: For other readers who do not know, the only sin Akintola had committed in his political life is having to openly disagreed with his Party leader, Awolowo on whether or not it was time for the Yorubas to make peace and to join forces with the North. Ever since the disagreement, Awo's interferance and undue influence was escalated until Akintola was ousted.

No amount of revisionism can change this.

Everybody knows that

Katsumoto:

Alhaji is from the North - most likely Fulani or Hausa.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Katsumoto, I find it interesting that you decided to use an interview given by sam Aluko, a well known and unrepentant Awoist, to support your position, yet you ignored Akintola's own account on Awo's interferance in his governance as reported by an unbiased author. Go and read pages 89-90 of the book whose link I posted for a balanced view.

I will in due time address the last point as i promised, but be warned that many outsiders are reading your posts. I was shocked to see that even well known bloggers can see through your antics. Imaging the accurate write-up about your userid here.


Akanbi_edu, why are you paying so much attention to me. se mo gba buredi yin ni?

thank you very much my brother from another mother. Pls as regards these your well researched similarities, there are some things I don't know about these two people of destiny and I will be very grateful if you can enlighten me by answering YES or NO to my questions below, if possible with explanation and/or examples.

1. Did Awolowo use over 1 billion as food allowance as Jonathan is doing now?

2. Did Awolowo sign agreement with University lecturers and later said that he, Awolowo does not know the financial implication like Jonathan is saying now?

3. Did Awolowo promise to build refinery after a people's protest and about 2 years after there is nothing to show like Jonathan is doing?

4. Did Awolowo's wife go to do tummy tuck in Germany and died and thereafter resurrected after 7 to 8 days like Jonathan's wife the great Sheppopotamus?

5. Was Awolowo's wife also a first or last lady of the western region?

6. Did Awolowo's wife go to fight and usurp the position of a state governor like Sheppopotamus has been doing?

7. Is Awolowo's wife also a jesus-on-earth like our Sheppopotamus?

8. Was/is Awolowo's wife also a permanent secretary in the ministry of education like our Sheppopotamus?

9. Did Awolowo sleep with several light skinned women like Jonathan e.g. Arunnah Oteh, Stella Oduah, Dezainni Allisson-Madueke e.t.c.

10. Did Awolowo gI've money to militants to buy private jet and build private university in Benin Republic like Jonathan has been doing?

11. Did Awolowo has 11 presidential jets when his people cannot eat 2 square meals per day?

12. Did Awolowo borrow up to 8 trillion naira from foreign lenders and put the future generation in debts even when the immediate pass government paid all the previous debts? The same Ngozi Okonjo-Iwealla that told Obasanjo to pay off all Nigeria's debts is the one borrowing and accumulating debts again.

I have more questions, pls answer simple YES or NO to the above so that I can learn from you.

@seyi, I highlighted siilarities which had and would have great historical ramifications, if people would calm down and read carefully. I'm a bit busy today but I'll be back to talk about how the whole country is paying for Awos's selfish ambition of becoming the President instead of building bridges like Akintola tried to do, and Tinubu is currently doing. GEJ is getting ready to do the same thing - this kind of history should not repeat itself.

BTW, you can open a thread on GEJ/AWO dissimilarities. You will write tire.