Goshen360:

Or better still, which tribe give tithe to which tribe if the "descendants of Jacob" means the "entire Israelites"? Abeg help me ask him o

Of course he's one of the sons of Levi.

Pastors are always the sons of Levi while the congregation are the sons of Jacob's other 11 sons.

How can a Yoruba man be a Levite? These Pastors go make me craze one day

Goshen360: ^ That's one of the Colossian heresies Paul, the Apostles dealt with in his epistles to the Colossians - some people claiming higher and superior knowledge of God, as they are closer to God while others are not so that those who feel inferior can actually see those who claim higher knowledge as mouthpiece of God.

Breeze don blow and we don know the truth mehn.

rudedough:

Of course he's one of the sons of Levi.

Pastors are always the sons of Levi while the congregation are the sons of Jacob's other 11 sons.

How can a Yoruba man be a Levite? These Pastors go make me craze one day

christemmbassey: come to think of it, even d religious leaders in Israel today don't collect tithe, they don't even know who among them is from levi family, but fraudster from Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Efik/Ibibio, Igala, Ijaw etc dey form/claim levite in other to chook eye for another man sweats, dat na original WITCHCRAFT, if u ask me.

Honestly even the Israelites themselves no fit identify Levite among them, na Nigeria man wey know say him be typical Yoruba man or Igbo man or Hausa man na him come dey claim Levite.

Man dey suffer oo.. Chai!! Ignorance is truly expensive.

rudedough:

I just wish say Christians dey read this page and them dey see the truth with their eye. Pastor Dumo don abscond.

When I small, my best friend Kasarachi get ulcer, him be student oo. One day, we dey hungry badly, Kasara hold N100, Kasara bring money make we eat, Kasara no gree bring him money out, even when d Ulcer hook am him still no gree bring that money out.

The next morning him go pay the money as tithe for Church. When I ask am, him say Devil dey tempt am make him chop God money so that God go curse him generation. Say anybody wey chop God tithe, God go curse him generation forever.

Now that experience teach me something. Tithers no really like to tithe but na that curse them dey fear, of which the curse no dey refer to them at all. But their Pastors just dey use that verse dey put fear for their body.

All these things dey make me wonder the height of this religious wickedness.

Goshen360:

There's no fear in God's love. We need to teach these people God will never curse a Christian because God had already cursed Christ on the Cross. There're is no fear in God's love and God had not given us the spirit of fear. It is a tool the devil and false Pastors use to cajole their members, the chain is broken and we are setting the tithe captives free, in Jesus' precious name.

rudedough:

Honestly even the Israelites themselves no fit identify Levite among them, na Nigeria man wey know say him be typical Yoruba man or Igbo man or Hausa man na him come dey claim Levite.

Man dey suffer oo.. Chai!! Ignorance is truly expensive.

rudedough:

I guess you've forgotten that I'm Atheist

rudedough: ^^^ Pastor Dumo, please come and tell us who your Levitical father is.

shdemidemi: Anti-tithers don chase all the tithers away from here o (with facts). Candour and Mark will do well with some expo on this thread.

Pastor Kun:

Pastor dumo seems to have absconded from this thread having realised his folly. I just hope he takes it a step further and repents from this fraudulent doctrine.

Trust me, that man hasn't absconded fully, he's stiff necked and very rebellious.

Deuteronomy 31:27.
"For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked you are."

Yesterday, I saw 1 guest lurking around this thread at odd hours of the night. Something tells me it was Pastor Dumo.

DrummaBoy:
So please, I want you guys to take up the points being discussed there and discuss/debate them here too, and thus give some life to the whole discuss.

shdemidemi: Anti-tithers don chase all the tithers away from here o (with facts).

DrummaBoy:

I think so too.

But the minute it climbs this place, it is no longer expo na

And Image's friend's can help them out too. I have been seeing Bidam peeping into the thread.

Zikkyy:

what's the reward? e.g. 1st prize - 2014 Range Rover sports, 2nd prize - all expense paid vacation to hawaii, 3rd prizec - all expense paid pilgrimage to Jerusalem 4th prize all expense paid pilgrimage to cannan land, Ota. 5th prize - time out with pastor adeboye. Things like these would be enough incentive for debate. Even tithers go participate very well.

DrummaBoy:

The prize shall be seeing people gain understanding

Zikkyy:
Majority of the peeps don't need understanding, they need deliverance. Or maybe we wait for the Nigerian economy to improve. Dat na one reason some peeps are tithing recklessly.

DrummaBoy:

The best kind of deliverance is understanding my brother.

rudedough: [b]@dumo.ala

I have been waiting for your reply to confirm your nationality but since you haven't replied. Let me go ahead and show you what Malachi 3:7 meant by "The Descendants of Jacob". And just maybe you'll stop handpicking verses that suits your interest in the future.

But before we proceed, let's take a look at some biblical history and see who Jacob was.

Jacob was the father of 12 sons named accordingly:

Reuben
Simeon
LEVI --------- (PLEASE TAKE NOTE)
Judah
Dan
Naphtali
Gad
Asher
Issachar
Zebulun
Joseph
Benjamin.

God changed Jacob's name to "ISRAEL".

Genesis 32:29
"Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.”

Genesis 35:10
"God said to him, “Your name is Jacob, but you will no longer be called Jacob; your name will be Israel.

The 12 tribes of Israel was named after Jacob's 12 sons, making Jacob the "ANCESTOR" of the Israelite.

After Moses rescued the Israelites from the hands of Pharaoh, God made the LEVITES Priests.

Deuteronomy 18:2
"They shall have no inheritance among their fellow Israelites; the LORD is their inheritance, as he promised them."

Now if "THE DESCENDANTS OF JACOB" meant the entire "ISRAELITES" and there are 12 tribes in Israel, of which only 1 tribe (THE LEVITES) is entitled to receive tithes;

Which one of "The Israelite Tribes" are you from?

Your swift response will be highly appreciated.

Thanks[/b]

dumo.ala:


Sir, God moved all the covenants and promises from the Jews to the Christian Church. The “new covenant” giving to Israel (Jer.31: 31-37) was therefore fulfilled by Christian Church. Please note that “not all descendant of Israel belong to Israel” (Rom. 9:6) because they rejected the “new covenant” of our Lord Jesus Christ. Israel refers to all those who obey the new covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ, who are thereby called the true children of Abraham (Gal. 6:29). Church is now “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16). Israel denotes only those who are Christians, and Christians are the inheritors of the covenants and blessings giving to Abraham and his descendants. So the church is Israel and Israel as you now know is the church.

dumo.ala:


Sir, God moved all the covenants and promises from the Jews to the Christian Church. The “new covenant” giving to Israel (Jer.31: 31-37) was therefore fulfilled by Christian Church. Please note that “not all descendant of Israel belong to Israel” (Rom. 9:6) because they rejected the “new covenant” of our Lord Jesus Christ. [b]Israel refers to all those who obey the new covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ, who are thereby called the true children of Abraham (Gal. 6:29). Church is now “the Israel of God” (Gal. 6:16). Israel denotes only those who are Christians, and Christians are the inheritors of the covenants and blessings giving to Abraham and his descendants. So the church is Israel [/b]and Israel as you now know is the church.

Sometimes when you interpret the bible, I wonder if you're truly a Pastor. When I get back home, we shall discuss the verses you just misinterpreted... again. But let me give you a food for thought to ponder on using your logic....

If ISRAEL is now the CHRISTIAN CHURCH and the CHRISTIAN CHURCH means ALL CHRISTIANS;

Who is to receive the tithes when everyone is equal and there are no more "LEVITES"?

Ponder on this until I return. It's busy time now

Rhymeyjohn: Response to response M1 It is very important that we stick to the bible and avoid analogies that deflect the issue from its context. For one, Abram can never be likened to a lawyer- a lawyer is hired labourer, paid for his service, not Abram. Also, using a thief or carjacker as comparisms is totally false- a thief is a thief, Abram was not a thief and should not be compared with one. Abram is a man of a high moral standing and should not be compared with a thief. Abram went to battle and recovered spoils, he didn’t break into any one’s house- don’t compare!
You obviously have not refuted the fact that spoils of war belong to the victor.Num31:18,Josh8:7,iisam23:10. Spoils are the legal entitlement of the conquering army by biblical rules of engagments, Deut 20:13-14.And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: 14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. God commanded these isrealites to take spoils, Joshua, his army take spoils, David soldier took spoils, they were never compared or likened with thieves, What makes Abram’s case different? The spoils rightly belonged to Abram, or else Abram would be a thief, tithing from stolen goods-NO. Futhermore, Abram couldn’t have given the possessions taken from five kings (see Gen 14: to Bera only if he had no authority over it, that would amount to “robbing peter to pay paul” and Abram is no robber. We will not surely agree that Bera, king of Sodom still saw the goods as his property, except bera was a coveteous, greedy man, thinking of collecting the wealth of five other kings.
Your introductory statement which says, ‘Abram gave tithes to Melchizedek from the spoils gotten from the war to rescue his Nephew,…’ is utterly false, the bible says in Heb7:4, ‘ ..Abraham gave the tenth [tithe] OF THE SPOILS.’, NOT FROM THE SPOILS as you asserted, the difference between the two is clear. Anyways, the issue still is, who owns the spoil?
The wicked men and sons of Belial in Isam30:22 were not called such because they wanted to claim the spoils as you wrongly claimed. The Isrealite knows that spoils are meant for conquerors from battle according to Deut20:14, they simply wanted to enforce the normal principle. If you say they were wrong in thinking so, see how David (the captain of the army, who like Abram should claim the spoil) distributed the spoils. 1 Sam 30:26-31: 26 And when David came to Ziklag, he sent of the spoil unto the elders of Judah, even to his friends, saying, Behold a present for you of the spoil of the enemies of the LORD; Oh if he didn’t claim it what else? See the other distributions-27 To them which were in Bethel, and to them which were in south Ramoth, and to them which were in Jattir,28 And to them which were in Aroer, and to them which were in Siphmoth, and to them which were in Eshtemoa,29 And to them which were in Rachal, and to them which were in the cities of the Jerahmeelites, and to them which were in the cities of the Kenites,30 And to them which were in Hormah, and to them which were in Chor-ashan, and to them which were in Athach,31 And to them which were in Hebron, and to all the places where David himself and his men were wont to haunt. ABRAM GAVE TITHES OF HIS OWN PROPERTY-THE SPOILS HE COLLECTED FROM BATTLE, WHICH BY EVERY LEGAL STANDING WERE HIS Claiming it or not were his descrectionary decision. God Bless. End

Goshen360:

Why are we talking Algebra and Calculus but you talking Hispanic? Why?

Bidam: The guy raised great points and you are talking gibberish... . Grow up pal.