Mark Miwerds: I would agree. If they have such a hard time getting their points up and corresponding prior to the Discussion, what will it be like during the Discussion. Might be good to go solo or better to find someone that will be there to hand him tissues when he is facing the hard facts.

No wonder Image wanted 24 hours instead of 12. Sure you don't want a week between answers? A month? A year?

Image123:

Oh so Mark is allowed to throw jabs at me and go free, but Image123 is so cruel if he tries it? There is no hard time getting points, learn some patience and willingness to wait for others and not be self centred. i know 24hours is more practical for me, that's why i suggested it. It's not impossible for one to post like say 11pm or even 1am for instance. Not everyone is so chanced to wake up and then rebut or reply before 11am or 1pm. One may wake up to go out or not be chanced for a reply till like the evening, say 4pm, 7pm etc. Anyways, i do nt owe you explanations and illustrations.

DrummaBoy: Ok. Let us give Rhymeyjhn till noon tomorrow. If he doesnt shiw up we start without him. I understand that since each group will have equal go on each point, it doesnt matter they amount U bring into the discourse. Mark has 10; U can still come up with more b4 d discuss end. I am puttin finishin touches with the moderator; we will see to the new thread. Let keep 7pm tomorrow Sunday as a tentative date to start.

christemmbassey: If I must pay TITHE to have life, good health, wealth, peace, wife, children, job, house, car etc. THEN CHRIST DIED FOR NOTHING! I love Rm8:32. A blessed wkend to ya all. @Drummaboy, kudos,Grace and Peace be multiplied unto you. Amen.

Goshen360: @ D'boy,

I can't understand why you people can't match me with Image123. Abi how una dey do this kind ojoro thing sef? I don dey sideline since dey warm up o. Anyway, make I continue dey warm up, by the time I enter field, na to dey do some dangerous pass wey go beat defenders...

DrummaBoy:

You remain our first choice now. But I had to factor in your busy schedule and that is why I suggested Candour to Mark. No wahala, time still dey for you to hammer!

Mark Miwerds: If Goshen would like to take my place, I would gladly step back and learn from his teachings.

DrummaBoy:

No I didn't mean first choice in that manner. I think you will do perfectly well. Please I request you remain.

Thanks.

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e

Mark Miwerds: I will remain.

Just threw the offer out there. Goshen does seem fired up about this discussion, and I know he is very knowledgeable in the Word.

Goshen360: Because you know breeze go blow and we go see fowl yansh and many will be set free from monthly tithe bondage.Abeg chill make truth prevail joor...lolz.

DrummaBoy:

Thank you sir.

rudedough: @dumo.ala I can't help but laugh at the way you play the bible like Cristiano Ronaldo.

How do you guys interpret the bible completely out of context and people actually believe you?

Again you've misinterpreted Matthew, Ephesians and the classic Malachi Just to drive home your point about tithing.

You also added some Matthews which does not correlate with the topic of tithing. And then some testimonies to convince people . It's funny how you guys play this game.

I don't have to pick verses from Matthew, Ephesians, exodus, Malachi and many others just to explain one word "tithe". The bible wasn't designed to be rigmaroled like that. Pastors who do that have an ulterior motive to deceive the congregation.

I'm out of the house now, I shall be back soon to answer the remaining questions from C. Sixtus, then I shall explain every verse you've misinterpreted so that Christians can understand the bitter truth.

Cheers.

dumo.ala:
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Rhymeyjohn: @Drummaboy, i think i understand the rules. you can call me to order if i miss. I wish the thread can be open tomorrow afternoon latest, so we can begin. God Bless

Xriss:

I beg to disagree with your submission, Deut 26 is not the first place the law of tithing was written, pls read Deut 12 and Deut 14 and kindly post what you understand about tithing from those chapters.

dumo.ala:
This is, of course, the most familiar financial subject to
Christians. Nearly all of us are aware of the practice of tithing,
but very few actually realize its true significance. It was a commandment
of God to Israel and 10 percent of their first fruits
belonged to God. As I mentioned earlier, when God told me to
teach this subject for the first time, He led me to Deuteronomy
26 where He first introduced it to Israel.

Joagbaje:

I would advise every spiritual minded person not to engage in this debate or whatever. It's just an opportunity for insults . You're not dealing with people who want to hear or see your point of view . You're dealing with people who take pleasure in mockery . Even if you present all the convincing evidence are they humble enough to admit? . @Image don't get your righteous soul injured .
Mo ti so fún e

dumo.ala:
This is, of course, the most familiar financial subject to
Christians. Nearly all of us are aware of the practice of tithing,
but very few actually realize its true significance. It was a commandment
of God to Israel and 10 percent of their first fruits
belonged to God. As I mentioned earlier, when God told me to
teach this subject for the first time, He led me to Deuteronomy
26 where He first introduced it to Israel. Let’s start with the first
verse and relate this to our role under the new covenant.
“And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which
the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it,
and dwellest therein.” How does this relate to the Christian?
TheWord says in Colossians 1:13 that God has delivered us from
the power of darkness and has translated us into the kingdom
of His dear Son. We are living in the kingdom of God. We have
entered into our inheritance in Jesus Christ and possess it in His
Name. We have the title deed to this kingdom through faith in
Jesus Christ. The authority has been given to us, and God is
showing us how to exercise our tithing privileges in order to
maintain control efficiently in the financial world.
Verses 2-3, “That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of
the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the Lord thy
God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto
the place which the Lord thy God shall choose to place his
name there. And thou shalt go unto the priest that shall be
in those days.” Who is this priest? Hebrews 3:1 says that Jesus
is our High Priest. Hebrews 7:8, speaking of Jesus, says He
receives our tithes personally. Therefore, we are to go to Him
with out tithes and say to Him, “I profess this day into the Lord
God that I am come into the inheritance which the Lord swore
to give me.” This is a very important point in the tithing procedure:
Make a confession before your High Priest.
Verse 4, “And the priest shall take the basket out of thine
hand, and set it down before the altar of the Lord thy God.” Can
you see where we have been missing it? We quickly drop our
tithe money into the offering plate as it passes by or stuff it into
an envelope without a thought. Instead, we are to present it to
Jesus, Who, in turn, will set it before the altar of God.
Then in verses 5-10, the Lord builds Israel a confession telling
of His mighty work in their lives and of delivering them from
bondage in Egypt. At this point, we Christians need to switch to
our position under the New Testament. We were sinners in the
world, and our confession should be something like this: “I am
in the land which You have provided for me in Jesus Christ, thekingdom of Almighty God. I was a sinner serving Satan. He was
my god. But I called upon the Name of Jesus, and You heard my
cry and delivered me from the power and authority of darkness
and translated me into the kingdom of Your dear Son. Jesus is
my Lord, and I bring the first fruits of my labors to Him as the
High Priest and worship You with it. We rejoice in all the good
which You have given to us and our household.”
This is our confession of redemption equivalent to Israel’s
deliverance from Egypt. The Bible says this is a type of our
deliverance from Satan. Israel pointed to Egypt; we point to
Cavalry. Now as a guide for you to use, we have set out this
entire confession based on Deuteronomy 26:
We profess this day unto the Lord God that we have
come into the inheritance which the Lord swore to give
us. We are in the land which You have provided for us
in Jesus Christ, the kingdom of Almighty God. We were
sinners serving Satan. He was our god. But we called
upon the Name of Jesus, and You heard our cry and
delivered us from the power and authority of darkness
and translated us into the kingdom of Your dear Son.
Jesus, as our Lord and High Priest, we bring the first
fruits of our income to You and worship the Lord our
God with it. We rejoice in all the good which You have
given to us and our household. We have hearkened to
the voice of the Lord our God and have done according
to all that He has commanded us. Now look down from
Your holy habitation, from heaven, and bless us as You
said in Your Word.
All of this involved in tithing. You can readily see that it
can’t be done in the few seconds before the plate is passed in
church. It must be done on purpose, but I guarantee you, it is
worth every minute of it! My wife and I write our tithe checks,
hold them before God, and take the time to pray over them.
Our money then becomes a tool used in worshiping God.
Deuteronomy 26:10 says that the high priest will set the tithes
before God and worship Him with them. Can you grasp Jesus
worshiping God with your money? Wow! That’s quite a picture.
There is another part of this confession, from verses 14-15,
which is very important: “I have hearkened to the voice of the
Lord my God, and have done according to all that thou hast
commanded me. Look down from thy holy habitation, from
heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou
hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that
floweth with milk and honey.” In contrast, we have thought, I’ll
just keep giving and maybe one of these days He will notice it
and bless me. This is wrong. The blessing of God is received by
faith in His Word. It does not come automatically, just as salvation
does not come automatically. You could say, “Well, go to
church and God will save you one of these days, if you’re
lucky!” No, the laws governing salvation must be acted on in
order for them to work in your life. Prosperity comes the same
way. As we can see in Malachi 3:10-11, God has promised the
tither that He will open the windows of heaven and pour out a
blessing that there will not be room enough to receive.
We had an opportunity to put this to work some years ago
when a friend of mine had come to a standstill in his construction
business. He hadn’t received a contract in a long time and
something had to be done, so he and his wife came to us for
prayer. As I was praying about his situation, the Lord showed
me how to handle the problem. He was a tither, so we used
what was his according to the Word in Malachi 3:10-11, “Bring
ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in
mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts,
if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out
a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And
I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy
the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit
before the time in the field.” We prayed in line with this and
believed God for an abundant blessing. Then we rebuked the
devourer, Satan. We said, “Satan, this man is a tither, and you
have no right to bind his business. In the Name of Jesus, we
command you to get your hands off and do it now!” When I
spoke with him about three months later, he said that business
had begun to pour in. Praise the Lord! These are our tight as
tithers according to the Word of God.
In tithing, you are laying the foundation for financial success
and abundance. You are establishing deposits with God
that can be used when you need them. Don’t wait until your
back is against the wall before you use your faith in this area.
Build your faith first when things are going well. Learn to act
on the Word now, and when Satan tries to pin you against the
wall, you can smile and know that you have it made. His
power over you financially has been stopped! When you stand
on the covenant of God and exercise your rights as a tither,
Satan has no chance against you. God will rebuke the devourer
for your sake. If your back is against the wall financially now,
don’t wait to begin tithing. You cannot afford to wait! The tithe
belongs to God in the first place. “Will a man rob God? Yet ye
have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In
tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have
robbed me” (Malachi 3:8-9). This scripture says that a man who
does not tithe is robbing God and is operating under a curse
because of it. Start tithing now! If you don’t have any money,
find something you do have and give it today. There is no
faster or surer way to break that curse. Immediately when
money comes into your hands, FIRST take God’s tithe out and
present it to Him. “Honor the Lord with your capital and sufficiency
[from righteous labors], and with the first fruits of all your
income, So shall your storage places be filled with plenty, and
your vats be overflowing with new wine” (Proverbs 3:9-10, The
Amplified Bible).
Remember, the Word says that God gives us the power to
get wealth and the blessing of the Lord makes rich. In tithing,
God is giving you 90 percent and receiving for His work in the
earth 10 percent to provide ministry for you. “And he gave some,
apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some,
pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work
of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ” (Ephesians
4:11-12). You can’t out give God! He gives back His 10 percent
to see to it that you are perfected, equipped and edified.
This brings us to the question of where God’s tithes are to
be placed. Some think only churches are to receive tithes. This
would be true if their church is the source of their spiritual food
and growth. The Word says to bring the tithes into the storehouse
so that there would be MEAT in His house. A storehouse is where
the food is. I know thousands of people attending churches of
all denominations that receive no spiritual food whatsoever
from their churches. How could that be a storehouse?
Verse 14 of Deuteronomy 26 The Amplified Bible says, “I
have not eaten of the tithe…or given any of it to the dead; I have
hearkened to the voice of the Lord my God, and have done
according to all that You have commanded me.” I would not
consider putting God’s tithe into a dead work. If you want to
put money in a church that is dead—not ministering to people—
then put your money into it, but it is important to put the
tithe into a storehouse that is feeding the life of God to the people.
Many churches and foundations serve as Satan’s reservoir
to keep finances out of the revival that is in the earth today.
To settle this question, since it is God’s money to start with
and since Jesus is the One Who will handle and receive the
tithe (see Hebrews 7:, pray and let Him tell you where it
should be put to work. I realize this is not too popular with
some church doctrines, but nevertheless, it is accurate. Jesus is
Lord over the finances of the Body of Christ! He is fair, and He
is just in the distribution of God’s tithe. When a church sees to
it that the people are fed, that church will receive its portion.
When an evangelist sees to it that the people are fed, Jesus will
minister to him his portion of God’s tithe. All the different ministries
qualify to receive from Jesus more than enough to fulfill
their particular calling when they feed God’s people.

Xriss:

Sir, from the last sentence of your quote above, you clearing state that God first introduced tithing to Israel in Deut 26. This statement is false, there are instructions on tithing in Deut 12, Deut 14 and even in Leviticus. So I have doubts if it was God that led you at all.

dumo.ala:
Please read carefully... Thanks

I will be writing about your misinterpretation of the bible next. Breaking down your post and bible quotations bit-by-bit. Please hold on while i work on it.

Cheers

Goshen360:

Why not? Because you know breeze go blow and we go see fowl yansh and many will be set free from monthly tithe bondage. Abeg chill make truth prevail joor...lolz.

Rhymeyjohn: Am available for the discussion, like i said earlier, lets begin. put the link to the thread you created for it here, and let me make my submissions.

DrummaBoy:

You remain our first choice now. But I had to factor in your busy schedule and that is why I suggested Candour to Mark. No wahala, time still dey for you to hammer!

Mark Miwerds: not really a jab. Not even meant as a jab. Just speaking the truth.