UKDBOSS: Am i allowed 2 ansa rudedoughs questions?

Pastor Kun:

Hi Mark, I got alerted that you sent me a PM. Unfortunately due to a problem nairaland's platform has with hotmail, PMs don't get delivered to my hotmail address which I used in opening my nairaland account.

Mark Miwerds: Blessings Pastor Kun,

All you have to do is reply to the email notification, and that opens the email communication between us.

Old age must be creeping up on me. I have forgotten what I was going to email you about.

Pastor Kun:

There is no avenue to reply to the notification. The notification appeared on top of my page when I logged into nairaland. It didn't come as a mail I could respond to.

Mark Miwerds: I have sent you a short note via email.

Bidam: Nice write up, it would have been an interesting read if you had created more spaces or paragraphs and highlighted points with scriptural quotations.

This is the internet, people are so much in a hurry you know.

Xriss:

Sir, from the last sentence of your quote above, you clearing state that God first introduced tithing to Israel in Deut 26. This statement is false, there are instructions on tithing in Deut 12, Deut 14 and even in Leviticus. So I have doubts if it was God that led you at all.

rudedough:

Sure. Feel free to answer any question. It's an open discuss after all and hey, Rudedough is an Atheist who likes to learn about religion.

rudedough: [b]@dumo.ala

Please just stop quoting verses from Deuteronomy to Colossians to Hebrews to Malachi to Proverbs to Ephesians. That is preaching God's word out of context and hand picking the right verses to suit your propaganda. The bible was not designed to be handpicked but to be taught in context.

I can handpick verses from the bible to encourage a terrorist to do evil. That is how they do the religion brainwashing and you have a PhD in it. For example: Read these handpicked verses from the bible and imagine preaching this verses to a boy named Yusuf.

God has created you Yusef and you are perfect in his sight.

Genesis 1:27
"So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

God is calling you now to do his work.

2 Peter 1:10-11
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.

Now this is God's message to you Yusef.

Judges 21:11 This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.”

God wants you to kill them because their heart is evil.

Matthew 15:19 - "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornication, thefts, false witness, blasphemies."

You must do this Yusef cos God has commanded you to do it.

John 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Don't fear Yusef, God is with you.

Philippians 4:13 For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength.

And don't you worry son, you have not sinned because the bible said.

Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.

Will a religious Yusef do this work for God? Hell Yeah!!

That is how you've been teaching the bible. Handpicking verses out of context to drive your propaganda. That is evil and a sign of desperation. Christians should study their bible and stop being played like my friend dumo-Christiano ala-Ronaldo.[/b]

dumo.ala:


Sir, Youre doing very well, Perhaps, the word of God is not an ordinary novel, You need the Spirit of God to give you insight in the understanding of his word. Thanks

dumo.ala:


Sir, Youre doing very well, Perhaps, the word of God is not an ordinary novel, You need the Spirit of God to give you insight in the understanding of his word. Thanks

Pastor Kun:

(Deuteronomy 12:11)
 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always. And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt EAT there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall EAT and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest. (Deuteronomy 14:22-29)
 When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may EAT within thy gates, and be filled; (Deuteronomy 26:12)

dumo.ala:
If your back is against the wall financially now, don’t wait to begin tithing. You cannot afford to wait! The tithe belongs to God in the first place. “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me” (Malachi 3:8-9)

dumo.ala:
[b][/b] Please read carefully... Thanks

rudedough: Just in case people are too Lazy to read all the verses, please allow me highlight the most important parts of Deuteronomy.



[b][size=10pt]The bible said EAT THE TITHE. How Pastors twist the bible, i wonder.

Mark Miwerds: Rudedough,

Please read through past threads carefully. It appears here that you are admonishing Pastor Kun. Pastor Kun is not a tither. He teaches exactly what the Bible says concerning tithes.

His post was about the historical dates, not about a continuation of the Old Testament tithe.

rudedough:

And you've been reading the bible like a terrorist, making the bible seem meaningless and ununderstandable to Christians. The Bible is very plain and simple in its teachings Pastor Dumo-Christiano A. Ronaldo.

And please don't give me the classic "You Need Spiritual Eyes" defense, that defense is too old and overused already. That is what fraudulent Pastors tell their members so as to discourage them from reading the bible, cos of course only the Pastor should have the "Spiritual eyes" or the "Spiritual lenses" to understand the bible.

That's Bull$hit bro, and a heck of a $hit.

dumo.ala:
If your back is against the wall financially now, don’t wait to begin tithing. You cannot afford to wait! The tithe belongs to God in the first place. “Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me” (Malachi 3:8-9)

rudedough:

No it was an error, i have already fixed it. I mistakenly removed the rest of the comment when i modified my post.

rudedough: [b]@C. Sixtus …. a continuation of your questions.

4. What inheritance did the Levite receive among the tribes of Israel?

The Levites did not receive any land whatsoever in Canaan (The Promise Land).

Deuteronomy 18:2 "They shall have no inheritance among their brothers; the Lord is their inheritance, as he promised them."

5. Do we have Levites in Christendom today?

No! We do not have Levites in Christendom anymore. The Levites were an Israelite tribe and the last descendants of the sons of Levi according to the bible were the sons of Aaron. Right now most Jews don't know what tribe they are from because of what they went through throughout history, so there is no way to tell whether this is a son of a Levi.

6. Who are the "priests" in Christianity today?

The "Priests" in Christianity today are "Priests". But if you wish to ascribe a tribe to their Priesthood like the Israelites did , then we might have something like:

Yoruba Priests
Igbo Priests
Hausa Priests

…But that's a little racists.

7. What was the form of tithe paid? money? or …?

Please note that tithe was never "PAID", that word "PAID" sends a different meaning entirely. Tithes were feasted on yearly and "GIVEN" to the less privileged once in every 3 years.
Tithes were "GIVEN" as agricultural products and animals.

8. Do we still offer burnt offerings?

No, there's no need to offer those burnt offering. Apostle Paul did a great job explaining that context to Christians.

Hebrews 9:11-12
11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things...12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood... 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer .... They are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ...

9. Did the Levites pay tithes from tithes or gifts received?

Like I said in my previous post, the Levites were not just confined to the service of the altar, some had other jobs. The Levites who had other jobs, however, didn't retain the entire tithe they receive from the Israelites, but gave a tenth of the grain and wine to the priests who attended the altar (Num. 18:25-29).

10. Did any of the apostles pay tithes?

No! The Apostles never tithed. Tithes are supposed to be given only by those who reap from the field of the earth. (Farmers and Ranchers)

Fishermen never tithed their fishes.
Miners never tithed their mines.
Horses and Chariot sellers never tithed their... idunno.. 10% of the horse and chariot wheels.
Traders never tithed their money.

And please don't tell me that there was no money then, cos the bible told us that the Pharisees were lovers of money. (Luke 16:14) Actually they were Igbo men.

11. Is every Christian a priest today? or only the leaders are priests? and if all Christians are priest, who should we pay/give tithes to?

No! Every Christian is not a Priest. Pastors interpret the bible irrationally and it is very disturbing.

Hebrews 7:15-21 was talking about the swearing of a new Priest, i wonder how Pastors interpret the bible to mean that every Christian is a Priest under the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7:15-21
This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek... 17 For it is witnessed of him,
“You are a priest forever, after the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand, a former commandment (Priest) is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.
20 And it was not without an oath. For those who formerly became priests were made such without an oath, 21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him:
“The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”

If only Pastors will learn to interpret the bible in context and not pick verse 3 of Luke and verse 17 of exodus and verse 35 of somewhere else, pack them together to drive their propaganda.

12. How do you give tithe from tithe unto God now in Christendom? (---Was given as a burnt offering before right? )

Now you don't have to tithe at all. You are not an Israelite, you are a Nigerian. Unless you're from an Israelite descent and you have a time travel machine that can take you back to the promise land of Canaan.

I hope i have answered your questions diligently. If you need more clarification, please feel free to write and I’ll find time to reply.

Cheers[/b]

Mark Miwerds: Thanks for clearing that up.

To some extent, I would have to agree with CE here. If you are an atheist as you say, I must admit I have never encountered one such as you. You defend the Holy Bible in your posts.

Atheists normally do not do such.

rudedough:

[b]Trust me i'm an Atheist. A lot of you guys don't understand who an Atheist is, you think an Atheist is possessed or live a carefree life. That's not true, that's stereotyping. Atheism is not a religion, Atheists just don't believe in anything without factual proof.

Atheist are usually open minded people with a mind of their own. They are also very interested to learn about other religion, even though they get very defensive sometimes when Christians try to impose their religion on them. And trust me, Atheists know a lot more than Christians do about their bible and religion.

Having read the bible thoroughly many times, i don't think it will be right for me to sit here and watch a Pastor manipulate the bible to satisfy his selfish greed and/or steal from the poor.

As a matter of fact, when we see such, we draw our conclusion that religion is the height of wickedness. Now just imagine a Pastor wrote this:



How can someone whose "back is against the wall financially" pay tithe? Is that not stealing from an already broke Christian brother? Is that not killing the ant with a sledge hammer?[/b]

rudedough:

And you've been reading the bible like a terrorist, making the bible seem meaningless and ununderstandable to Christians. The Bible is very plain and simple in its teachings Pastor Dumo-Christiano A. Ronaldo.

And please don't give me the classic "You Need Spiritual Eyes" defense, that defense is too old and overused already. That is what fraudulent Pastors tell their members so as to discourage them from reading the bible, cos of course only the Pastor should have the "Spiritual eyes" or the "Spiritual lenses" to understand the bible.

That's Bull$hit bro, and a heck of a $hit.

DrummaBoy: COMING SOON... THE MOTHER OF ALL DISCUSSES ON TITHES...FEATURING RHYMEJOHN, IMAGE123, MARK MIWERDS AND CANDOUR... COME ONE, COME ALL... COME AND UNDERSTAND THE REASON WHY YOU SHOULD TITHE OR WHY YOU SHOULD NOT... TIME: 7:00PM TODAY... MODERTORS: AJIBAM, DRUMMABOY... VENUE: NAIRALAND RELIGION SECTION... COMING SOON!!!

C. Sixtus:



Can you simply explain I Peter 2:9 ?

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


Thanks!!!

Thank you for your question C. Sixtus.

Before you understand the teachings of St. Peter, you must note that most of Peter's teachings were letters to persecuted Christians scattered all over many nations.

Let's go back to a little bible history, shall we?

After God delivered the people of Israel from their slavery in Egypt and brought them to Mount Sinai. God declared the Israelites, “You shall be to me a "KINGDOM OF PRIESTS" and a "HOLY NATION"” (Ex. 19:6).

The Israelites were declared PRIESTS by God, which makes them a bloodline of priests (ROYAL PRIESTHOOD). They later rebelled against God by worshiping other gods, and a majority of the Israelite Priests flee across Asia minor.

Now that we have been able to established where the "ROYAL PRIESTHOOD" and "HOLY NATION" came from, we will be able to pinpoint who Peter was addressing.

History settled. Now let's read 1 Peter 1:1-2 and see if the opening sounds like a Letter.

"To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance."

It is incumbent to note also that Peter's letters have similar purpose of encouragement, which are:

* He wants Christians to be stronger in their faith.
* He wants to warn the Priests about false teachers.
* To remind the Priests about the true Christian beliefs.
* He emphasized that Jesus Christ will return and then God will judge the wicked and Christians must be ready for that day.

When you read on from the opening letter from 1 Peter 1:1, you'll see a continuous trend of the above purposes of encouragement down to your 1 Peter 2:9 which reads.

1 Peter 2:9
"But ye are a chosen generation, a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, an HOLY NATION, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light"

1 Peter 2:9 was a part of a letter addressed to the Priests in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia.

If you have anymore questions, do feel free to write back.

Cheers

DrummaBoy: SIX HOURS TO GO... PARTICIPANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO BE ON THEIR MARKS... LOL!

dumo.ala:


Sir, The aim of this discussion is not win argument or throw insults... Please kindly go through the rules again...
Perhaps, I dont know if you believe that the words written in the bible are truely the word of God....?
If you believe then you need him to give you understanding of his word.

christemmbassey: the mistake most non-christians make is to think christianity is exemplified by the 'average christian' in the neighbourhood. No sir, if u want to understand christianity, pls study Christ, (the way, truth and the life) thats who a christian should be. Thatsnotwithstanding, i insist, pls, FIND OUT WHO YOU REALLY ARE,. You are NOT an 'atheist, God bless sir.

Let's do the logical thing here

If the "average christian" does not "exemplify" Christ. Why would a "non-Christian" be interested to "exemplify" Christ?