@ hubreality

those were the words of JESUS who is GOD. ONLY GOD can see what lies in a man's heart and say it is unbelief.

JESUS marvelled at their unbelief, I have no problems with that. Did the disciples try to do any miracles and 'marvel at the unbelief' of the people who didn't get healed?

If you can show me that the disciples did that or any of the apostles, then I will agree with you. As far as I am concerned, only GOD can tell why someone was healed or not, and not you or pastor Chris.

Why are you people harassing Hubreality?

I'm sure his life has been better since serving under his chosen ministry.

@Debosky,
You are right in your assertion that only God can tell why certain people do not get healed immediately.

Paul the apostle did not himself get healed of the thorn of the flesh; Hence it will be nice for Hubreality to humbly accept the reality that he does not know-it-all, No one does; Not even Christ!

Hub, Keep up the good work though.  The only mistake I feel you are making is that you are going against a particular biblical exhortation (from Paul to Timothy) to avoid vain arguments,

And I think you should know when to bow out (even Christ himself did this from time to time).

@ Hub
Stop replying these distracters
Never yield to the devils accusations, one of the devils key strategies of keeping peep in bondage is to constantly distract them . . Haven’t u noticed how John has a penchant for distracting u. He is a man on a mission. . Hiding under the cloak of hypocrisy. There’s more that meets the eyes

You're right my sister. They're really distractors. Thank you.

Pepeye:


@ Hub
Stop replying these distracters
Never yield to the devils accusations, one of the devils key strategies of keeping peep in bondage is to constantly distract them . . Haven’t u noticed how John has a penchant for distracting u. He is a man on a mission. . Hiding under the cloak of hypocrisy. There’s more that meets the eyes

You must be kidding me if you think we're gonna sit by and watch you spread falshood into the air. Like Hub would always say: "the internet is a tool" well, same goes for me as well: a tool to quench falsehood.
We're obviously not gonna let some 'michael jackson' type dude with oil drenched hair, bleached skin and fake foreign accent lead Gods people astray, NO WAY!!!

@Sir john
Strongly behind you on this mission to save souls from this voracious ravaging lion

@Pepeye,
Its really good to see a transformed 'you', ordinarily you'd have been raining down insults by now. I strongly believe you were tamed here in nairaland. Glory be to God!!!

SirJohn:


We're obviously not gonna let some 'michael jackson' type dude with oil drenched hair, bleached skin and fake foreign accent lead Gods people astray, NO WAY!!!

LMAO,

,

@Hubreality and Pepeye

Please stick to the decision to ignore them. They really don't matter at this stage.

Jesus Christ is Lord. King of Kings and the Lord of Hosts. The same yesterday, today, and forever. Hallelujah!!!

Is it true that pastor chris healed a man who has been blind all his life. . . . . . . .then he asked him about colours and he got the answers?

lalaboi:

Is it true that pastor chris healed a man who has been blind all his life. . . . . . . .then he asked him about colours and he got the answers?

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Ummmmm, How will a blind man know the colours?

Let everybody go to the church they want to go. As for me, I go to any church, I don't go because of the pastor, I go because i'm there to worship God, so many pastors these days have been come Entertainers, even their congregation seem to worship them. Just be wise people, everything that glitters is not gold.

i have nothing against the loveworld whatever. What i am pointedly against is the way their members go about touting the pastor like some kind of god. It gets very annoying, really. I have this friend of mine that's always disturbing me to follow him to cell meeting and their church programme. It's always pastor this pastor that. Pastor did this, pastor said that. Even when I remind him that i too am a christian and i also go to my church, he says it doesn't matter that i should follow him to cell meeting. Another friend of mine dresses up, acts like and even did his hair like pastor chris. Ah ah. Na wetin?

Thats the most annoying thing about Christ Embassy to me - the way the pastors/members copy everything Chris does. Even to the extent of perming their hair. I mean, what the hell does that portray?

Hesperus:

Thats the most annoying thing about Christ Embassy to me - the way the pastors/members copy everything Chris does. Even to the extent of perming their hair. I mean, what the hell does that portray?

Is it not not obvious that it is pastor wayo man chris they are worshipping

There is no need of temples nor of complicated philosophy, Our God-given heart and brain is the temple. Kindness is the philosophy.

_{He that has ears let him hear o!}

Let church members desists fron taking every word of pastors hook line and sinkers and read the bible for themselves pls. You are responsible for yourself and will give account of yourself by yourself dear hubreality.

SirJohn:

@Pepeye,
Its really good to see a transformed 'you', ordinarily you'd have been raining down insults by now. I strongly believe you were tamed here in nairaland. Glory be to God!!!

This thread is quite interesting and incisive. I want to commend SirJohn for his facts, figures and level of understanding. May God bless u. KunleOshobs, Jitintitn welldone. I'm sure some people are brooding o'er all these and will soon thank God for letting the scale drop off their eyes.

Mark 11:21-24 (King James Version)

21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

hubreality:

Mark 11:21-24 (King James Version)

21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.

22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

@Hubreality,
was Jesus speaking in very literal terms, was he really refering to a physical mountain?
When he said 'whatsoever', did he really mean we could ask for literarily 'anything' like 'anything'?
Are there any elements that should guide our asking?

I'm just curious!

John 14:11-15 (King James Version)

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”- Galatians 5:22-23

hubreality:

12 [color=#990000]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

What did Jesus mean when he said 'greater works'? Since nobody till date including the apostles did or have done 'greater works' than Jesus, that's if we speak in terms of miracles, signs and wonders. what then was Jesus referring to as the greater works? was it miracles or what?

Please educate us Hub

Men of great vison are marching foward,
that of men of God is great.

God bless pastor Chris!

Sir John,
your questions are ok.

when Jesus was leaving the earth he told his disciples that greater works than he did will they achieve.

not only pastor chris or full time men of God, just every xtian than is conscious of that divine promise.

All he said is that in my name you will do this things. call it miracles, call it great works. all is posible once you believe and do it. its like when your teacher tells you that 2+2=4, you go on repeating it and passing. just set out doing good works in Jesus name.

When you tell someone that the person has a lack of faith, are you not judging?

How do you measure / know someone's faith?

Do you REALLY need to go to a school to get healing?

Yes, i do believe in God, in giving, in his mighty works, the list cannot end.

But i also believe that christianity and faith is a personal thing with God.

What if i truely prayed to God, believed, hoped looked forward to, (speaking the remaing english),
that i will get a new shoe before weekend, and truely believe it, but come weekend, i do not get it, what would you say caused it?, I HAD NO FAITH?

@hubreality,

Guy you get time oo, Don't you know these guys are already lost. Leave them alone and stop wasting your time because the devil had blocked their mind from seeing the light. They already have estate in hell fire and they want people to join them there.

When I compare Pastor Chris and the like to Jesus and the propherts of old , it's clear they have nothing in common. All these church programmes do is simply reinforce the brand of the church period!!! It's obvious that Pastor Chris and his penticostal hencmen are only making a living of our collective misery.

The simple reason why these wolves cannot speakout against courruption and eveil in our society, is because they rely on the benovelence of the politcal class and so they have lost their objectivity, credibility and respect. Picture the RCCG accepting import subsidies from Obasanjo, no wonder Adeboye cannot talk. The government in turn gives out national awards to it's friends.

I'd like to see the schools, hospitals, skill aquisition centers etc, Pastor Chris and his theiving lot have built!! Rather they have money for schools which the poor cannot afford and they do this in the name of Jesus and the very gullible Nigerian is so poor mentally and materially he cannot read between the lines and see he is just beign pimped. Jesus and our pimps on the pulpit have nothing in common.

SHAME ON NIGERIAN PENTICOSTALISM

John 6:63-64 (King James Version)

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Morelike Night of Brainwashing.

John 10:34-35 (King James Version)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken