FriendNG:



I ask you to learn on them did you? I ask you to consult your Sufi friend did you?

I never suggest you should ask vedaxcool but your Sufi friend.

That means he will explain to you based on Sufism.

I honestly don't understand you anymore.

What's vexdacool gotta do with this?. And must I know the group?. I am absolutely not obligated. The group can do whatever they want. Who cares?.

You could save all these back to back talks by simply posting their activities and we scale it on shariah of Islam. If it is against Islam we will condemn it. If it's commendable we will appreciate them. Simple isn't?.

It doesn't have to be Sufi this or that.

Empiree:
I honestly don't understand you anymore.

What's vexdacool gotta do with this?. And must I know the group?. I am absolutely not obligated. The group can do whatever they want. Who cares?.

You could save all these back to back talks by simply posting their activities and we scale it on shariah of Islam. If it is against Islam we will condemn it. If it's commendable we will appreciate them. Simple isn't?.

It doesn't have to be Sufi this or that.

Haven't I said this before that I can post it without mentioning you?

Haven't I said I am not forcing you to consult your friend?

It's not necessary. But then I mentioned you because you're also nosy.

FriendNG:


Haven't I said this before that I can post it without mentioning you?

Do it already and stop talking

It's not necessary. But then I mentioned you because you're also nosy.

How am I nosy oo

Sissie:

Empiree:
Do it already and stop talking


How am I nosy oo

Nope I will do it when I wish to. And like I said I don't expect you to chok nose on what u have no knowledge of.

FriendNG:


Nope I will do it when I wish to And like I said I don't expect you to chok nose on what u have no knowledge of.

so why did you bother me in the first place?.

Because you thought I would comment on it?. I only defend what Islamically sound in any practices an especially if there is dalil for them.

Let's just say you are playing mind game

Empiree:
so why did you bother me in the first place?.

Because you thought I would comment on it?. I only defend what Islamically sound in any practices an especially if there is dalil for them.

Let's just say you are playing mind game

Yes I know you must comment on it.

I just ask for your opinion. Because you seem to defend anything Sufi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9oDsLjIymY&t=22s

FriendNG:


Yes I know you must comment on it.

I just ask for your opinion. Because you seem to defend anything Sufi.

Because this is public forum not your bedroom forum . And no, I defend Islam. Whichever ideology it is so long it is in harmony with Sharia.

The reason we always clash however is because you guys have taken it upon yourselves to criticize anything that is not rational to you even if it has dalil. Example, group dhikr.

Empiree:
Because this is public forum not your bedroom forum . And no, I defend Islam. Whichever ideology it is so long it is in harmony with Sharia.

No you defend Sufi ideology more than Islam itself.

The reason we always clash however is because you guys have took it upon yourself to criticize anything that is not rational to you even if it has dalil. Example, group dhikr.

Like which dhirk do we criticize? The zikir that some of you claim the prophet or angel come down to earth on the middle of white material should not be criticize? That's rational to you?


The zikir that people faint?


Is reading Quran not Zikir? I have not seen any1 here criticize that because everyone knows it's rational.

It Is A Win Win Situation

FriendNG:


No you defend Sufi ideology more than Islam itself.



Like which dhirk do we criticize? The zikir that some of you claim the prophet or angel come down to earth on the middle of white material should not be criticize? That's rational to you?


The zikir that people faint?


Is reading Quran not Zikir? I have not seen any1 here criticize that because everyone knows it's rational.

I don't even understand which language you are speaking

Empiree:
I don't even understand which language you are speaking

Yeah I don't expect you to understand

FriendNG:


No you defend Sufi ideology more than Islam itself.



Like which dhirk do we criticize? The zikir that some of you claim the prophet or angel come down to earth on the middle of white material should not be criticize? That's rational to you?


The zikir that people faint?


Is reading Quran not Zikir? I have not seen any1 here criticize that because everyone knows it's rational.

you really have no genuine argument. You guys have criticized many valid practices. You can tell us which dhikr Angels brought down that they do?.

I have captured idea of you people long ago. You just like formenting your fellow muslims. This is how your trick works:

If you see a Muslim doing something you say it is not Quran and sunnah.

If you see a Muslim reading a chapter of the Qur'an for whatever their needs are, you say this is not how the prophet did it.

If you see a Muslim try to do it the way of the prophet, you say they need to do it the way sohaba did it.

If you see muslim following sohaba you say this is not how kulafah roshidun understood it.

If muslim provides you with evidence, you say the salaf and those who followed them didn't do it that way.

So I ask what exactly you people want?.

Anyways, just point out specific things you consider wrong that they are doing and let's see. Simple.

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Empiree:
you really have no genuine argument. You guys have criticized many valid practices. You can tell us which dhikr Angels brought down that they do?.

I have captured idea of you people long ago. You just like formenting your fellow muslims. This is how your trick works:

If you see a Muslim doing something you say it is not Quran and sunnah.

If you see a Muslim reading a chapter of the Qur'an for whatever their needs are, you say this is not how the prophet did it.

If you see a Muslim try to do it the way of the prophet, you say they need to do it the way sohaba did it.

If you see muslim following sohaba you say this is not how kulafah roshidun understood it.

If muslim provides you with evidence, you say the salaf and those who followed them didn't do it that way.

So I ask what exactly you people want?.

Anyways, just point out specific things you consider wrong that they are doing and let's see. Simple.

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So you now understand which language I am speaking.


You want to join different things together. Well I ain't going to do so.

I am specifically interested in Hakika ideology now not the Zikr that you guys faint, not the Zikr that prophet do come down on the white material you spreed. That are entirely something for another day.

I am standing on my ground you should go and ask ur fellow Sufi friend about Hakika but you don't want to. And it's not by force.

So at the time I wish I will post what I wanted to post concerning Hakika sect of tijjaniyya.

Even when I post it, it's not meant for people like you who don't know their ideology.

FriendNG:
[s][/s]I am specifically interested in Hakika ideology now not the Zikr that you guys faint, not the Zikr that prophet do come down on the white material you spreed. That are entirely something for another day.

I am standing on my ground you should go and ask ur fellow Sufi friend about Hakika but you don't want to. And it's not by force.

So at the time I wish I will post what I wanted to post concerning Hakika sect of tijjaniyya.

Even when I post it, it's not meant for people like you who don't know their ideology.

I don't know who Hakika folks are and I am not obliged to. They are irrelevant to me as a group. If the guy on fb replies, fine. If he doesn't fine. I don't go about finding out what people do. And I am sure there are many groups out there you don't know about. So why is Hakika relevant?.

Empiree:
I don't know who Hakika folks are and I am not obliged to. They are irrelevant to me as a group. If the guy on fb replies, fine. If he doesn't fine. I don't go about finding out what people do. And I am sure there are many groups out there you don't know about. So why is Hakika relevant?.

Because they are the latest deviant sufi sect now causing nuisance.

FriendNG:


Because they are the latest deviant sufi sect now causing nuisance.

that's their problem not me and definitely, not the essence of sufism. If they are causing nuisance in town, they are goofy

Media is primary problem of religion and political tension in Nigeria. Read this misleading headline and read the short article.

https://naijagists.com/muslim-man-sues-christian-girlfriend-for-refusing-to-convert-islam-and-marry-him/comment-page-1/#comment-671181

Hkana

Watch Shanara Mobley, mother of kidnapped 18yr old Kimaya Mobley at birth said she wished her daughter was never found or that she never returned. They have no close relation. Quite frankly this is terrible for her. It is understandable how the girl feels. She simply does not see her mother as her mother bcus there is no emotion there. Her love and all emotions are with her kidnapper 'mother'. I am afraid her biological mother will lose her for good

This is latest 1 min video from yesterday. This is extremely Heart wrenching situation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT1OeVZlUJk

I've watched it.
Oyibos are overhyped. Seriously... Why allow the child and kidnapper to still be in contact?

Isn't the girl supposed to be in a kind of rehab facility?

This is pure Stockholm syndrome at play...

In the end now, her biological mother is the victim. She's the worst hit. I pity her.

Hkana:
I've watched it.
Oyibos are overhyped. Seriously... Why allow the child and kidnapper to still be in contact?

you can see how their "justice system" works I was going to say just that. But the thing is, the girl is of legal age. They believe she can't make decision now. Really pathetic

Isn't the girl supposed to be in a kind of rehab facility?

Exactly. That's partially her mother's fault by the way. She should have invested her time on rehab for her daughter rather than wishing death penalty for the kidnapper.

This is pure Stockholm syndrome at play...

In the end now, her biological mother is the victim. She's the worst hit. I pity her.

indeed, she gets hit hard now. You should read some comments. They really crazy. I can't stop laughing. On a serious note authority should help her but constitution won't let them. You know in America, they don't join people together. They break up people That's why divorce is rampant.

I feel so sorry for the biological mother.

With this latest development, the whole story is now annoying me thanks to the flawed justice system.

Empiree:
so why did you bother me in the first place?.

Because you thought I would comment on it?. I only defend what Islamically sound in any practices an especially if there is dalil for them.

Let's just say you are playing mind game

You have time oh.

Sissie:


You have time oh.

Lol, i know.

Empiree:
Hkana

Watch Shanara Mobley, mother of kidnapped 18yr old Kimaya Mobley at birth said she wished her daughter was never found or that she never returned. They have no close relation. Quite frankly this is terrible for her. It is understandable how the girl feels. She simply does not see her mother as her mother bcus there is no emotion there. Her love and all emotion is with her kidnapper 'mother'. I am afraid her biological mother will lose her for good

This is latest 1 min video from yesterday. This is extremely Heart wrenching situation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT1OeVZlUJk

It’s sad however I am not surprised the girl doesn’t love her and might even resent her for making her “mum” go to jail.

There is this other story. A man divorced his wife when the daughter was few months old and court gave the man custody, the Wife kidnapped the baby and later relocated to Australia, married a man and started a new life.
The man never remarried, spent all his wealth looking for his daughter for over 18yrs including doing tv interviews, he was obsessed about finding her and devoted his life to that, when he finally found the daughter she wasn’t interested in establishing contact with her biological father, she can to US because Australian govt sent the mum back to US and the mum was in jail. Goes to visit the mum, saw the father once and returned back to Australia. It was a sad story.

Hkana:
I've watched it.
Oyibos are overhyped. Seriously... Why allow the child and kidnapper to still be in contact?

Isn't the girl supposed to be in a kind of rehab facility?

This is pure Stockholm syndrome at play...

In the end now, her biological mother is the victim. She's the worst hit. I pity her.

How does this mean they are being overhyped. Except if the girl request it, the judge can’t cut connection as it’s not established that it will endanger her.

The mum needs to stop fighting her for keeping in touch with her other mum, and just try to gradually build a relationship with her. With time she will send her mother’s day greetings. She just feels it should be automatic but it can’t be.

Empiree:
you can see how their "justice system" works I was going to say just that. But the thing is, the girl is of legal age. They believe she can't make decision now. Really pathetic


Exactly. That's partially her mother's fault by the way. She should have invested her time on rehab for her daughter rather than wishing death penalty for the kidnapper.



indeed, she gets hit hard now. You should read some comments. They really crazy. I can't stop laughing. On a serious note authority should help her but constitution won't let them. You know in America, they don't join people together. They break up people That's why divorce is rampant.

By law there is no reason to cut contact with her jail mum, she is no danger to the child, and the child is not a minor.

The mum needs to focus on what’s important and even though it’s hard she needs to ignore her daughter being in contact with the other woman. Emotions are high but this things don’t work that way.

Sissie:


It’s sad however I am not surprised the girl doesn’t love her and might even resent her for making her “mum” go to jail.

Most definitely. I remember watching 2 hrs long trial when biological father was asked about possible sentence for the kidnapper, he decisively said "Death Penalty". Biological mother sad the same. They wasted time on kidnapper rather than getting close with their daughter. They thought the system was going to help them all the way. I sensed at the beginning when they pictured the girl and biological mother together laughing and looking happy as if everything was fine. But in reality is it disgusting. The girl is calling her kidnapper's sons brothers and other family members of her "mom" nephews and cousins. She simple sees them as family for good 18yrs. Lord, that relationship aint going away anytime soon. I think she may receive sense when she starts having kids of her own. Perhaps she will feel the pain her biological mother goes through.

There is this other story. A man divorced his wife when the daughter was few months old and court gave the man custody, the Wife kidnapped the baby and later relocated to Australia, married a man and started a new life.
The man never remarried, spent all his wealth looking for his daughter for over 18yrs including doing tv interviews, he was obsessed about finding her and devoted his life to that, when he finally found the daughter she wasn’t interested in establishing contact with her biological father, she can to US because Australian govt sent the mum back to US and the mum was in jail. Goes to visit the mum, saw the father once and returned back to Australia. It was a sad story.

Chai, it is really painful. There is no blame on the child at all. There is simply no attachment. Her biological father is a complete and total stranger to her. What a life. This one thing still good about Africa even though we are now losing it. Family members may still try to hold them but not in the West. This is why perseverance is very important bcus of the children involved. The father will suffer the pain until he dies. Only God can restore his daughter to his life. She probably see her step father as her biological father. Lord have mercy. This is why even if one adopts a child, Islam insists on calling the child by her father's name.

Sissie:



The mum needs to stop fighting her for keeping in touch with her other mum, and just try to gradually build a relationship with her. With time she will send her mother’s day greetings. She just feels it should be automatic but it can’t be.

This is the problem. She wants everything in lump sum This is punishing the girl back. She be like "waiting a min. I am still trying to manage you as my mother but you pushing too hard". She needs to work around it and stop worrying about their communication.

Media is crazy. They portray the girl as "all happy" like she finally back to her biological parents. But in the background, it stinks and dirty.

Empiree:
I don't even understand which language you are speaking

Demmzy15:

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