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false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 5:00pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians Pat Robertson famously said this in the 90s, and the sentiment still rings as true in the ears of many today. It’s an understatement to say that feminism has a bad rap. Feminism doesn’t hate men. So why do so many people think feminism = man-hating? Let’s look at a few explanations for this fallacy. #1 Because Some Individual Feminists Hate Men Surprised to hear me say that? It’s true. There’s no point in avoiding it, so we might as well start with it. Just look around the internet. In 30 seconds on Google, I found this article (first page of my first search about “radical feminism”) and this delightful collection of quotes (my favorite: “To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking Love Machine.” Thanks for the gem, Valerie Solanas.). You don’t have to look very hard to find examples of “feminists” who hate men. But there’s a difference between “feminists” and “misandrists.” Ever heard the term misandrist? It’s like misogynist but for hating men instead of women. Yes, misandrist is a word. But feminist doesn’t mean “person who hates men.” Feminist means “person who believes people should have equitable places in society regardless of their gender.” Some feminists may be misandrists. I linked to a couple above. But it’s by no means a criterion to join the club. A portion does not equal the whole, even if that portion is really loud. Though they’re not even that loud, but can seem so because anti-feminists like to cherry pick quotes and ignore the much greater number of feminist writings, people, and organizations that say otherwise. Some individual feminists hate men. A lot of feminists might hate men. You might even argue based on what you find on the internet that most feminists hate men. It’s irrelevant. What matters is that feminism, distilled down to its absolute core, is about gender equity. The goal of feminism is to create a society in which individuals’ genders don’t restrict them from an equitable shot at success and happiness. Most feminists actively disagree with the belief that women are better than men and think that feminists who are anti-men are going against the fundamental principles of feminism, which says we’re all deserving and worthy human beings – women, men, trans* - and should be treated as such. So man-hating isn’t a part of that goal. It’s an unfortunate reactionary sentiment bought into by some people (misandrists) who also identify with the feminist movement. A lot of people get drunk in college, but we know that college is more than a big drinking club, right? Isn’t it? Maybe I attended the wrong college. #2 Because People Have Been Told Feminists Hate Men for 200+ Years The whole “feminists hate men” thing has been tossed around for quite a long time now. It’s not new. The first “feminist” women who began advocating for equal status of women in the US did so in the late 1700′s, but it didn’t really pick up steam until the late 1800′s. What crazy radical things were these man-haters asking for? Primarily, the rights to own property, to attend college, and to vote. In response to these requests, they were were labeled as anti-family, anti-God, anti-men radical hedonists. That labeling has continued to today, because — surprise! — a group with a lot of power (men) tends to do whatever it can to maintain that power (dismiss equal rights as radical). It’s happened with every oppressed ethnic group (from the Irish to the Africans) that’s immigrated the country. It happened with oppressed religious groups (from the Catholics to the Muslims). And it continues today with the oppressed gender group. Why do people believe it if it’s not true? Because people are irrational. One of the ways I know this is true because there’s an entire book written about it. An example of how we act irrationally is called diagnosis bias. A particularly fascinating study showed that the smallest change in the way you describe someone can completely alter the way you perceive their behavior. How about an example? A university class (unknowing lab rats) had a substitute professor. To introduce the professor, the class members were given short bios. What they didn’t know was that half the bios had been very slightly altered (e.g., exchanging warm, positive adjectives for cold, callous ones). After the lecture, the students were asked to review the professor. The entire class saw the same man say the same things, yet the reviews were split 50/50 positive and negative. Half the class said he was personable, considerate, and engaged, while the other half said he was ruthless, would do anything for success, and didn’t care about students or people. The smallest change in the way someone is described can make a dramatic change in the way you interpret their behavior and demeanor. Now, hypothetically speaking, imagine how twisted the perceptions would have been if the students were told the professor was a student-hating, self-serving, radical hedonist. Oh wait. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 5:25pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
#3 Because Most Men Aren’t Bad But Think Feminism Says They Are Let me bust a few myths. Being a feminist doesn’t mean you believe “all men are rapists.” This quote comes from a book by Marilyn French and it seems to be recited more by anti-feminists (as a means of debunking feminism) than feminists themselves. It’s simply a ridiculous statement that’s been given a ridiculous amount of airtime. Being a feminist doesn’t mean you think all men are evil. Following up on the last point, a lot of anti-feminist folks make the argument that feminists believe all men are evil. This is not true. Being a feminist doesn’t mean you blame every individual man you know for hundreds of years of oppressive behavior. Just like you wouldn’t point at a random White person today and blame them for slavery, you can’t blame an individual man today for a history of sexism. A lot of people think about the things above, think about the men they know (or, if they are men, they think about themselves), and think “That’s ridiculous, ____ isn’t an evil rapist who is responsible for hundreds of years of sexism.” A lot of people are right. The thing feminism thinks is bad is the hundreds of years of sexism part, as well as the existence of sexism today. Sexism is the problem — sexism that a lot of men engage in and a lot of women internalize. Men engage in sexism because they’ve been taught to behave/think that way. Women internalize it for the same reason. Feminism asks both men and women to critically think about those normalized behavior and its impact, and holds people accountable to sexist thinking and behavior even if they didn’t initially realize it was sexist. So yes, it’s natural to get defensive when someone brings up feminist issues because it’s likely you never thought you were doing anything wrong. Does that make sexist behavior acceptable? No. That’s why we need to do a better job as a society to teach people how to treat each other with equity. That’s what feminism is trying to do here. #4 Because Some Feminists Aren’t Willing To Address Men’s Issues (Though Some Are) Working towards gender equity means equity for all genders, right? Then what about men? And what about trans* folks? This is a question that often gets raised by men (about men, not as much for trans* folk). Feminism in general has mixed feelings about addressing men’s (and trans*) issues. I’ll be the first person to admit that there are a lot of gender-based men’s issues to address. Like why young men today are less likely to graduate from college, attain a high GPA, be active in extracurricular organizations or seek leadership roles; or why men in general have always been more likely to be caught up in the criminal justice system or be homeless. These are real issues, surely, and things our society should work to correct. But do many feminists ignore these issues because they hate men? No. The mixed feelings about addressing men’s issues tend to stem from the fact that “men’s issues” tends to be the default in our society. We’re a male dominant society. Many feminists are concerned that addressing men’s issues (or gender issues as a broad goal) will move the conversation completely away from women’s issues, resulting in no progress for the women’s part of the gender progress. So instead they focus on women’s issues and allow others to focus on other’s issues. Many feminists would like to see pro-feminist men tackle men’s issues in a way that doesn’t blame women and feminism for all their problems (like MRA’s). However, it’s worth noting that we here at Everyday Feminism are both men- and trans*-inclusive. We take an intersectional approach to feminism and look at how different groups of genders, sexual orientations, races, classes, and more are dominated in our society. Our inclusive approach is a big part of our popularity – i.e. a lot of feminists are also inclusive. #5 Because Sensationalism Is a Good Way To Distract From Real Issues It’s pretty messed up that being born a certain way means you’re going to be less likely to earn as much money, achieve the same tier of success, be treated with respect and fairness, be elected into political office… but those restrictions are objectively measurable. Those issues mentioned above affect just about every identity group in the US other than people who are White and male (and straight, non-disabled, etc.) — like me! Instead of dealing with inequality and giving up a bit of unearned power, it’s far more fruitful to change the conversation and put the oppressed group on the defensive. Blacks are more likely to be imprisoned because being a criminal is part of being black. Have fun arguing about that while we enjoy our unfairly granted innocent verdicts. Gays can’t be given rights to form families because being a child molester is part of being gay. Go ahead and re-read all of those nonsensical studies and commission some more while we enjoy our access to 1,138 benefits granted solely to married couples. Women don’t earn as much as men because earning a lower wage for the same work is part of being a woman. Oh, and babies. Don’t forget, you make the babies. What a miracle! That should be payment enough. Social change is slow because the people in power are the ones writing the narrative, and they often choose a distracting narrative. Did you know that up until the early 20th century there was an actual medical condition called “female hysteria” (yes, “hyster,” as in hysterectomy, or pertaining to the uterus)? Some of the symptoms of female hysteria: loss of appetite, nervousness, irritability, fluid retention, emotional excitability, outbursts of negativity, excessive sexual desire and “a tendency to cause trouble.” In other words, if a woman wasn’t eating, was eating too much, was angry, happy, wanted to have sex, or wanted equal rights for women (you trouble causers, you!), she was mentally ill and her behavior could be dismissed as such. Guess who came up with that idea? You guessed it! White dudes. Am I Trying To Bring the White Man Down? No I am a white man. That wouldn’t serve me well at all. What I’m trying to do, and what feminism is trying to do, is bring the woman up. While an understandable response to this idea for men is a defensive one, considering so many of the bad things in history have been caused by men (by so many, I mean, like, all of them). That’s also a positive response, because it means you’re accessing empathy. You don’t want to be seen as the “bad guy” (what a misandristic term!). You don’t hate women. You’ve never oppressed women. Of course you haven’t. Oppression doesn’t happen on the individual level. But it happens. And as a man, particularly one who is White (like me!), you are granted a lot of privileges that stem from hundreds of years of oppression. You get that privilege whether you choose to have them or not. The only choice you get is what you do with your privilege. Do you use it to make for a more equitable society for mothers, sisters, and daughters you love all human beings, of all genders? Or do you keep whining about how feminists hate men and distracting yourself and others from serious issues of inequality? Your call. 8 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 5:26pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 6:03pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
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Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 6:15pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Where's your golden mat? alutacontinua: |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 6:29pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy: Where's your golden mat? hurricane sandy washed it away |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 6:42pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
sorry o Nwanyi oma alutacontinua: |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by edwife(f): 7:21pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy Nne you are on fire today,two threads? Let me spread my mat and sip my smirnoff ice. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 8:12pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
I sense an E-war coming. Like a volcano, a hurricane of some sort. #smell it#. #side eyes# The word 'feminist' doesnt go down well with Nairaland males. Peace and calm has been here since the hack on Nairaland. The rats will soon crawl out from their holes i am afraid. 3 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by pickabeau1: 8:12pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Men engage in sexism because they’ve been taught to behave/think that way. Women internalize it for the same reason. How convenient that women are not sexist.. I guess even the feminists are trying to disown the core group..calling them radicals Who is fooling whom Sophie..using uncomplimentary words such as rats!..on top forum matter? Remember you also mate with men..if u refer to males as rats....that makes u what... 3 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 8:22pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
You're a feminist? |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 8:28pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
pickabeau1: There you go!! Are you a Rat? where in my comment did i call men Rats? i am refering to those who would turn the thread to an E-war. Seems you've proven me right. 4 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by pickabeau1: 8:37pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
What u are doing is akin to slut shaming If u don't understand it..let me explain it u... Calling a woman a slut so that she can't be herself anymore Why call those who will discuss with coco candy rats in advance... Why can't u make points without bEing derogatory or seemingly belligerant Does it make u feel more intelligent.. OK ooo At least cococandy was articulate with her points.. You can call me anything if u wish... she rats mate with rats.. Bitçhes with dogs.. Go figur... 3 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Idowuogbo(f): 8:49pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Sophyrocks: I sense an E-war coming. Like a volcano, a hurricane of some sort. #smell it#. #side eyes# The word 'feminist' doesnt go down well with Nairaland males. Peace and calm has been here since the hack on Nairaland. The rats will soon crawl out from their holes i am afraid.you want peace and u are busy posting subliminal shots? Who are the rats? U brave enough to mention names? 6 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Areacode213: 8:52pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Like Fourier & Laplace both rescued an area of maths and made the unwieldy become tractable & hence solvable, Betty Friedan cannily resolved this confusion amidst the din of women's lib and 'free love' movement in 'The Feminine Mystique' viz: Feminism <> Femininity Both Fs are not equal or same Be free to b as feminist as you choose but don't lose sight of d more primordial other F- characteristic, else you risk coming off unduly as with a chip on the shoulder. Obviously, albeit much clearer over the last century, it's manifest that the male brain (male/female minds differ like two sides of a coin, i think) is no more potent than the female's (skip Lawrence Summers' slip) as the 'artificial' edge conferred on the male by ages of protective paternalism get steadily & irrevocably eroded by unintended social consequences of technological evolution, wars and commerce. Feminists only risk needlessly burning their fingers by trying to rush the evolution their way. Female femininity is not weakness; stop undercuttin the feminism argument by first gradually quitting the 'bouncing baby boy' obsession as mothers or well-wishers- a baby daughter can reach as far as she desires on a level field. Still in doubt? Ok, try distilling Gloria Steinem, Rosie the Riveter, Anne-Marie Slaughter, Maureen Dowd, Sheryl Sandberg, Janet Yellen & of course, Obi Ezekwesili to name a few. Start to 'lean in' from the homefront by stopping to abet the raising of unwitting barriers against the 'daughter'. The horse galloped out of the barn aeons ago circa when reliable firemaking was invented. :-) Men and women do not differ qualitatively per intellectual potency, let's instead focus effort on eliminating the social barrier unconsciously stacked against the girl right from the womb, monthly menstrual stresses notwithstanding. Enjoy, not fight, the ladies-first chilvaries as far as he 'scores' not because you 'fell' but consented. Recall that men 'protect' women/feminists, not from other women/feminists, but other men- speak of testoterone and its discontents/follies. But thankfully, brain increasingly rules over brawn. DISCLOSURE: I'm a typical testo-driven male labouring nonstop for that singular front-and-centre goal regarding the female. :-) 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 8:53pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
pickabeau1:Hahahahahaha. You are the most guilty of them all. You are calling yourself a rat already. Why are you overreacting? I sure struck your damn Nerves. Why dnt you comment on the damn topic instead of bursting your veins off? 1 Like |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 8:54pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Idowuogbo: you want peace and u are busy posting subliminal shots? Who are the rats? U brave enough to mention names?Mention which names? Their comments will reveal themselves. I dnt have to. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by pickabeau1: 8:55pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Pity.. You must feel Like a star... Lol |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 8:55pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
pickabeau1: 1 Like |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by troy20(m): 8:58pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy really...a change of monicker for someone so familiar. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 8:58pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Where did you buy your mat? Buy one for aluta. Hers got swept away edwife: cococandy Nne you are on fire today,two threads? Sophyrocks stop that bikonu |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by pickabeau1: 9:02pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy: xx.....x At least you saw my points... Good you agree with me sexism is not gender specific Guess we r seeing it from different angles You call them fringe...to me those are the real feminista who don't give men any quarter, don't need men for any things, don't believe in chivalry and are belligerent in all things.. You will know them by their posts Let's agree to disagree on which group is core I know the history....you need to take some time to do same On your third point.. No problem |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Idowuogbo(f): 9:02pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Sophyrocks:U called them out, now you are stylishly stepping away from the dance floor.If u want peace and calm, don't go about teasing the warlords.Ciao! 3 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 9:03pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
@ areacode Your post was quite on point. And unlike some men I'm glad you understand that feminism isn't about competing with men or over shadowing them. Nor does it even see womanhood as weakness. But that the goal of feminism is summarized in that part of your post in quote. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 9:05pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
The lady is not hiding her identity troy20: cococandy really...a change of monicker for someone so familiar. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 9:07pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Awesome post @ OP. I agree. Feminism promotes equality. Misandry is hate of men. Spot the difference. 3 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 9:07pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Idowuogbo:I made that comment for a purpose. That purpose will soon come to pass. I will be here to enjoy the fun. #evillaughs# buhahahahaha. 2 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Idowuogbo(f): 9:10pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy: @ areacodeLoretta,which goal? u too carry this feminism thingy for head. Is there something you not telling your home gals? |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by edwife(f): 9:11pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy: Where did you buy your mat? My mat?long history I have a reserved one,if aluta needs it,she can pay .(£)please! |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Nobody: 9:12pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
cococandy: Where did you buy your mat? Okies. |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by Idowuogbo(f): 9:15pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
Sophyrocks:Too damn obvious! The joke is on you ma'am 4 Likes |
Re: false reasons why some people believe feminists hate men by cococandy(f): 9:24pm On Jul 04, 2014 |
What goals? Read the op again. Or google feminism. Or read the part of areacode's post that I quoted. Those are the goals. If you've been convinced otherwise discard the former. There's no need to carry anything for head. The movement if going fine and smooth. You carry something on the head when it can't move by itself. Or you too follow for those who see feminism as man hating? Is there something you're not telling me Idowuogbo: |
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