Tannie:

If you don't want a child, then abstain from sex or use protection.

pickabeau1:

So lets take your line of thought

You said u dont want the child
The woman is not ready to take the risk of abortion
What next?

egopersonified: If he doesnt want the child, he sure can go to blazes, but dont come back years later or when the child is successful claimin paternity, just know that the day u reject that child, s/he should be dead to you, and dont go about boasting of having a baby and keeping pictures in your phone, showing off to people for a child you dont know if he ate the night before. I rest my case.

alutacontinua:

Bull shit!
the only thing she consented to was sex, not your dictations of what to do with her body. If she chooses to clean up your mess (and I mean both of you), excellente! If she decides not to go through that much risk to clean up your mess, you just have to deal with it!


it's just like saying you know the 2 of you have messed up but now, she should bear all the risks associated with cleaning up. LAILAI! It doesn't work that way.....if you're man enough to get an erection followed by an ejaculation, be man enough to father a baby!

thanks!

pickabeau1:


Should a man be responsible for his child... hell yes
That is what a man does

njokusboy: . Crap, crap, crap.... You said on one hand she decides what to do with her body and on the other you said the man should pay for what she decides to do with her body... Does that even make sense If she decides she wants to give birth to a child, it then isn't mutual... She then should bear the consequences of her decision alone.... Nd the mess up isn't even equal because she messed up alone when she decided she wasn't gonna clean the mess...

alutacontinua:

it's a possibility.....one that a sensible fisherman would be careful to avoid, if it however happens, we cannot expect the fishes to rescue the fisherman, would we?

fresh_dude: Oga mi, I already said it's best handled before it gets to the abortion phase. To the best of my knowledge, you have about 48hours or more after copulation to render sperm cells ineffective. Why, during this period would the woman in question not do the needful? It's not like conception occurs immediately after ejaculatiion.

Per abortion, to each their own, if it's got to that point it's probably because;
(a) Contraception has failed even though applied
(b) She has chosen to have that child.

If a, the guy could be forced/mandated to since, it's unwanted by both and it would be unfair for one party to be saddled with cleaning up the mess of both parties.
If b, then she shouldn't expect sympathy from the guy.

In both cases, still, the guy's got seed round, it would be irresponsible to neglect that. But then there's more leeway in scenario b.

Tannie:

If you don't want a child, then abstain from sex or use protection.

alutacontinua:

Bull shiit!
the only thing she consented to was sex, not your dictations of what to do with her body. If she chooses to clean up your mess (and I mean both of you), excellente! If she decides not to go through that much risk to clean up your mess, you just have to deal with it!


it's just like saying you know the 2 of you have messed up but now, she should bear all the risks associated with cleaning up. LAILAI! It doesn't work that way.....if you're man enough to get an erection followed by an ejaculation, be man enough to father a baby!

thanks!

fresh_dude: Yes, yes and yes. But she he be forced to cater for the child when he didn't want one in the first instance?

njokusboy: . Crap again, a real fisherman doesn't consider the possibility of getting drowned... He should be a good swimmer,,, falling into the river is a possibility but a real fisherman would know how to ensure such does not happen and swim to safety if it does happen...He won't watch himself drown.... Hope u can link it....

alutacontinua:

exactly my point!
a man that doesn't want the baby should protect HIMSELF BY HIMSELF!
you don't have the right to tell another person what to do with their body just because you had sex.

if I wanna have sex with a guy and he insists on no protection, I cannot force a condom on him, can I? I either walk away or protect myself. Unfortunately, nature hasn't given you guys the luxury of what happens after the baby is deposited, your best bet is to prevent the deposition in the first place. After that, you have no say again than to accept what follows.



I'm fine, sweets!
you?

swag loverss: If a man tells woman to get an abortion and she refuses, why should he be forced to pay child support?

For instance, a man impregnated a woman and decides that he is not mentally, physically or financially able to support a child and tells the mother to go get an abortion and the woman refuses, why should the man have to pay child support?.

I mean if a woman decides to keep the baby, that's her decision, not the man's. The man made it clear that he didn't want the child then why should he have to take care of the child since it was the woman who wanted to keep it and not him?

fresh_dude: Relax, woman. This is a hypothetical case thread. No need getting emotional. The purpose is education, not a gender war.

swag loverss: If a man tells woman to get an abortion and she refuses, why should he be forced to pay child support?

For instance, a man impregnated a woman and decides that he is not mentally, physically or financially able to support a child and tells the mother to go get an abortion and the woman refuses, why should the man have to pay child support?.

I mean if a woman decides to keep the baby, that's her decision, not the man's. The man made it clear that he didn't want the child then why should he have to take care of the child since it was the woman who wanted to keep it and not him?

pickabeau1:

A man does not need to be forced to take care of his child

fresh_dude: This is ridiculous madam, especially the part in bold. Are you saying she wouldn't know sex leads to pregnancy whether there's been an ejaculatiion or not? You don't have to eejaculate to impregnate a woman. And since it's her body she should be more careful who she let's in and how she handles sex. Does she not expect to get pregnant when she's mating? Come on! If she knows the guy doesn't want a baby, she should not let him eejaculate in her, let him even penetrate or even sneeze near her. Simple! If she's desperate for a baby, she should find a man who shares her desires.

If she chooses not to have an abortion even when she already knew she could get pregnant and didn't take precauions, that's on her. The guy should not be forced but, he should handle his business. He's got some blame by associating with the wrong kind woman, if he's responsible he should father his child

pickabeau1:


You miss my point.. condoms are almost always foolproof... yes there are instances of mistakes... yes.. but not common

Should a man be responsible for his child... hell yes. That is what a man does

But i am not interested in a long debate on the merits and demerits of feminism vs paternity now
That is why i advocate for protection or avoidance of sex

fresh_dude: What do you call "child support".

Sophyrocks:

If she is to bear the consequences alone, why have s*e*x with her? Will a lady suddenly produce sperm to fertilize her eggs all by herself? who poured the sperm into her?

coogar:

i will just pretend i didn't read this comment - especially coming from you. are you kidding me? sex between unmarried people is almost always for recreation not procreation - don't mix the two together. just like a man ought to have protected himself, a woman should protect herself too from any accident.

if the precautions fail......then they have to unanimously get the same verdict: keep the baby or abort it there should never be one saying yes & the other saying no. just like i have no say in what a woman does with her body, she shouldn't have any say to what i do with my wallet. it goes both ways.

a man should not be forced to pay any dime to a baby he never wanted in the first place. there's no accidental pregnancy - only a foolish man would believe such nonsense - women who get pregnant & see the baby to term had it premeditatedly planned out.

njokusboy: . Crap, crap, crap.... You said on one hand she decides what to do with her body and on the other you said the man should pay for what she decides to do with her body... Does that even make sense If she decides she wants to give birth to a child, it then isn't mutual... She then should bear the consequences of her decision alone.... Nd the mess up isn't even equal because she messed up alone when she decided she wasn't gonna clean the mess...

alutacontinua:


Having sex was a mutual decision
sex led to pregnancy-she didn't mix the sperm and egg together herself, nature did what it has to do, you guys have to just handle what comes after that?

it is different if the woman stole your sperm from nowhere and used it for ivf,
you deposited the sperm willingly, nature or say biology did its thing, why should the womam be the one to mess up her body after that incidence? In the name of aborting or using pills?

fresh_dude: This is ridiculous madam, especially the part in bold. Are you saying she wouldn't know sex leads to pregnancy whether there's been an ejaculatiion or not? You don't have to eejaculate to impregnate a woman. And since it's her body she should be more careful who she let's in and how she handles sex. Does she not expect to get pregnant when she's mating? Come on! If she knows the guy doesn't want a baby, she should not let him eejaculate in her, let him even penetrate or even sneeze near her. Simple! If she's desperate for a baby, she should find a man who shares her desires.

If she chooses not to have an abortion even when she already knew she could get pregnant and didn't take precauions, that's on her. The guy should not be forced but, he should handle his business. He's got some blame by associating with the wrong kind woman, if he's responsible he should father his child

BABE!:


Your body won't get messed up if you go about the process the right way.

njokusboy: . The right to fvck or not to is solely bestowed on d woman, someone said that on this forum.. When a man sleeps with a woman, he doesn't do so because he wants to be a father... When people are not married, s*e*x is an end not a means to an end... Cl'I'm'ax is the ultimate goal and not procreation... If a man has unprotected s*e*x nd d woman allows him sleep with nd she doesn't protect herself too, they both share the blame... That is stage one, if the man decides that she needed to use birth control and the woman says no.. The blame on the woman becomes 80%, if she then misses her period and still doesn't wanna take it off even when the man has made it clear he doesn't wanna be a father.. The blame becomes 100% on the woman... If, as it happens in some cases, the woman deliberately gets pregnant to tie the man down, it is then 150% the womans fault.... Why then should the man share in the pain if he doesn't want to..

egopersonified:

Agreed it is, but b][bear in mind that someone reading this now or ten years from now is in this boat and would want to justify his decision[/b]. So I had to spit it out.

alutacontinua:

here!
I mean, it's simple logic.
you cannot make me do abortion if I don't want to, that is a decision I have to make on my own. The decision we both made, which is have consensual sex is what we should both deal with.

BABE!:


Your body won't get messed up if you go about the process the right way.

nipeks001: Exactly!,that's the point!.Only you Make the decision of getting pregnant, having babies or not and only you should carry and take the responsibilities that comes along with it!.......Ya dig now?!