BABE!:


Abortion is a huge topic on it's own. I don't mean to derail, but murderer according to the bible/religion, or according to some constitution ?

Religion and everything else. what is a woman getting rid of when she aborts?

Dude... you are barking up the wrong tree
I am not interested in the rightness or wrongness


This was my initial post

hmmm... tough q... but abortion while it can really be convenient and can clear a lot of issues is not as easy as it sounds
It causes untold trauma and can be damaging to the womb

Use protection to avoid problem or better still have sex within a committed relationship or wait till marriage

I am not interested inpower games.. this is a kid we talking about

coogar:

it's hilarious this is even up for debate.
what's the percentage of people that are having sex for procreation outside marriage? i am sure it's less than 1%

unmarried people have sex solely for recreation. the difference is that she has control of reproduction, he has none. you seem to think that’s fair. i don’t.

he didn’t cause the condom to break, she didn’t use the pill or an IUD, he and she weren’t married, neither of them wanted to get pregnant, and he has no right over what she does with her body.

and yet you still think it’s perfectly fair for her to choose to have the child against his wishes and force him to support the child in all circumstances?

you are hilarious!

alutacontinua:


the bolded is saying she should start taking responsibilities for the man. Protect yourself cos I don't wanna have a baby, which adult does that? Why not protect MYSELF cos I don't wanna have a baby?

mbanu, bolded is saying, you're the woman, you're responsible for whatever goes on in your body during sex except you've been rayped.

Ewuro1: "Forced" ?? Was he forced to put his bare Kini during the do?

so because a man desires to sleep with a woman means he wants her to be a mother of his children? what kinda logic is this?

sex between unmarried people is for recreation. why would a woman think otherwise that sex automatically means her partner wants a child?

alutacontinua:

well, this woman in this scenario must have weighed her options and she thinks keeping their baby is more good to her than getting rid of the baby.
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Oh, please, since it was a unilateral decision, she should be ready to bear it's consequences.

coogar:

so because a man desires to sleep with a woman means he wants her to be a mother of his children? what kinda logic is this?

sex between unmarried people is for recreation. why would a woman think otherwise that sex automatically means her partner wants a child?

Ewuro1: "Forced" ?? Was he forced to put his bare Kini during the do?

See bolded ^^ - stop pussyfooting around the truth Coogar, every Adult should be responsible for their own Reckless actions ...

By the way where have you been , missed you plenty

#PRO LIFE

fresh_dude: mbanu, bolded is saying, you're the woman, you're responsible for whatever goes on in your body during sex except you've been rayped.

a woman doesn't have sex with herself, does she?
sex brings 2 people together, that very moment-2 bodies are involved, and both are responsible for the outcome of that 'moment'.


It really would have been a different case if there's always a discussion before sex, say a written agreement by both parties as to what happens with the product/non-product of their session. But we all know the power of konji na

fresh_dude: Oh, please, since it was a unilateral decision, she should be ready to bear it's consequences.

bro.. u never answer my q

coogar:

so because a man desires to sleep with a woman means he wants her to be a mother of his children? what kinda logic is this?

sex between unmarried people is for recreation. why would a woman think otherwise that sex automatically means her partner wants a child?

. Nna, dats d simple fact I have been hammering on since....... The thing tire me oh, so if any man sleeps with his girlfriend, he is indirectly telling her he wants a child....

alutacontinua:

a woman doesn't have sex with herself, does she?
sex brings 2 people together, that very moment-2 bodies are involved, and both are responsible for the outcome of that 'moment'.


It really would have been a different case if there's always a discussion before sex, say a written agreement by both parties as to what happens with the product/non-product of their session. But we all know the power of konji na

. Kia, so when a man does not state categorically that he doesn't want a baby, u automatically assume that he wants one.... Infact I don tire for this thing.... How many men have you slept with and how many children do you have now?? Answer sharp sharp, so we can move on.....

fresh_dude: Oh, please, since it was a unilateral decision, she should be ready to bear it's consequences.

naaaahhhhhhhh.......at that point when the man spills, he becomes responsible for whatever happens after. That's the point where we put it to the man that there are consequences for his action (spilling). The decision becomes unilateral from that point on (blame that on mother nature), but the man cannot exempt himself again, well, except he's able to convince the other party.

alutacontinua:

It really would have been a different case if there's always a discussion before sex, say a written agreement by both parties as to what happens with the product/non-product of their session .But we all know the power of konji na

That should be the bill you pass first; not jailing irresponsible fathers.

Sophyrocks:
Religion and everything else. what is a woman getting rid of when she aborts?

A bunch of cells that lack consciousness.

If you cannot father a child, why have s*e*x ooooooooooooo? Is your e*j*a*c*u*lation much more important than a child that would result from it? Why do all y'all subtract a child from the s*e*x? Na wa o. How do you people reason sef?

pickabeau1: Dude... you are barking up the wrong tree
I am not interested in the rightness or wrongness

so it doesn't have to be right, we should just take the moral grounds because a kid is involved. you are reaching.....

This was my initial post
I am not interested inpower games.. this is a kid we talking about

then you shouldn't be on this thread cos the OP is interested in why men are made to pay for a child he didn't want from the outset......

my stance is men should not pay. if an unplanned pregnancy occurs that a man is not interested in participating in, a woman should get rid of it. point - blank - period!

why would any woman want to have a baby with a dude that doesn't want to be a dad? it's unfair to all parties involved including the child. i don’t know how many other women are in the business of forcing parenthood onto men, but it's the most disgusting selfish behaviour on this planet.

women should spare me all this crap that they can't get an abortion. they can! as we speak millions of women are undergoing abortion process. where were all these morals when they were having irresponsible sex with an unfit partner? all of a sudden she's religious the moment she conceived?

njokusboy: . Nna, dats d simple fact I have been hammering on since....... The thing tire me oh, so if any man sleeps with his girlfriend, he is indirectly telling her he wants a child....

Keep hammering on it without protection and when e don happen( preggy) blame the lady en ? .. Gosh njokusboy you're a coldhearted mean carnivore !

Ewuro1:



See bolded ^^ - stop pussyfooting around the truth Coogar, every Adult should be responsible for their own Reckless actions ...

By the way where have you been , missed you plenty

#PRO LIFE

. He wasn't forced to put his BARE kini, she didn't cover her bare kini either.... Owk dat one haff pass... they both did not cover their bare kini... Now take medicine to clean up the bare kini mess, she said no, she now missed her period, clean it up, she still said no.... Whose recklessness is it now? At that point sef, its not even recklessness, its become intentional... So why bother the man?

Ewuro1:

Keep hammering on it without protection and when e don happen( preggy) blame the lady en ? .. Gosh njokusboy you're a coldhearted mean carnivore !

Aren't they both enjoying the hammering? You make it sound like sëx is only pleasurable to men.

These are well worn and well argued positions but dont reflect the issues on ground

A child is in the picture

what should a man do

answer

coogar:

so it doesn't have to be right, we should just take the moral grounds because a kid is involved. you are reaching.....



then you shouldn't be on this thread cos the OP is interested in why men are made to pay for a child he didn't want from the outset......

my stance is men should not pay. if an unplanned pregnancy occurs that a man is not interested in participating in, a woman should get rid of it. point - blank - period!

why would any woman want to have a baby with a dude that doesn't want to be a dad? it's unfair to all parties involved including the child. i don’t know how many other women are in the business of forcing parenthood onto men, but it's the most disgusting selfish behaviour on this planet.

women should spare me all this crap that they can't get an abortion. they can! as we speak millions of women are undergoing abirtion process. where were all these morals when they were having irresponsible sex with an unfit partner? all of a sudden she's religious the moment she conceived?

njokusboy: . Kia, so when a man does not state categorically that he doesn't want a baby, u automatically assume that he wants one.... Infact I don tire for this thing.... How many men have you slept with and how many children do you have now?? Answer sharp sharp, so we can move on.....

Why do I have to be assuming for a full-fledged adult?
what happened to expressly communicating his desire before the deed and let us reach an agreement?


What does it matter how many men I've slept with? You wanno sleep with me too?
and yes, if you're cute and smart, I might just decide to keep our baby

BABE!:


That should be the bill you pass first; not jailing irresponsible fathers.




A bunch of cells that lack consciousness.

No wonder!! but when you are ready to have a child after marriage, it becomes a life to you ba? It becomes a life that has consciousness abi? The bolded shows A HUGE LACK OF RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE on your part!!

Im shocked!!

Ewuro1:
See bolded ^^ - stop pussyfooting around the truth Coogar, every Adult should be responsible for their own Reckless actions ...

By the way where have you been , missed you plenty

#PRO LIFE

his condom could have broken! he could have been lied to that she was on the pill or all sort of fraudulent schemes women deploy when they want to force parenthood on a man.

i went to chibok to bringbackthegirls!

njokusboy: . Kia, so when a man does not state categorically that he doesn't want a baby, u automatically assume that he wants one.... Infact I don tire for this thing.... How many men have you slept with and how many children do you have now?? Answer sharp sharp, so we can move on.....

don't mind the fraudulent gits!
when women are forced to have sex by criminals or addle-brained men. they know their way to the clinic to get rid of the debris.....

however, the moment the guy is well-to-do or he's got the potential, then abortion becomes a taboo in their dictionary. that's when they will remember what their pastor told them about abortion - arrant nonsense!

njokusboy: . He wasn't forced to put his BARE kini, she didn't cover her bare kini either.... Owk dat one haff pass... they both did not cover their bare kini... Now take medicine to clean up the bare kini mess, she said no, she now missed her period, clean it up, she still said no.... Whose recklessness is it now? At that point sef, its not even recklessness, its become intentional... So why bother the man?

Before you twist this argument to boy vs girl, Please note that the lady is not exempted from this.

But

He has no right to make that call to take a life.

pickabeau1: These are well worn and well argued positions but dont reflect the issues on ground
A child is in the picture
what should a man do
answer

a child doesn't just come into the picture. my condom just broke & the deed is already done......

i have no control from that point henceforth. the woman still has plenty of control. morning after pills can still be administered, there are enough injections she could take to get rid even before she misses her next period.

in the eventuality that all these methods fail, there's abortion process. why do women not take these measures? if she carries the baby to term while i have registered my complaints that i ain't ready for the child then she should bear the cost. the man should never ever be forced by the courts to pay a dime on what he didn't want.

BABE!:


Aren't they both enjoying the hammering? You make it sound like sëx is only pleasurable to men.

But OP question was posed to men? Maybe your question should be to OP.

They both should be ready to raise a kid they both created.

coogar:

his condom could have broken! he could have been lied to that she was on the pill or all sort of fraudulent schemes women deploy when they want to force parenthood on a man.

i went to chibok to bringbackthegirls!

Could've , should've , would've .. The COOG , welcome back!!

Ewuro1:

Keep hammering on it without protection and when e don happen( preggy) blame the lady en ? .. Gosh njokusboy you're a coldhearted mean carnivore !

. There we go again, d name calling, the victim game, the touchy remarks aimed at giving men a bad name... U re a goat, u re a dog, u re wicked, u re selfish... Bla bla bla..... Do I feel guilty, hell no I don't.... I only feel guilty when I do something wrong... Gone are those days when such cheap lines are allowed to influence people..... Can't women use protection? Why was female condom invented.... I don't blame the lady, she made a decision to have a baby against my consent... Am only saying she should bear the cost alone... Nd if this simple logic makes me a cold blooded male carnivore, I care little about the stereotype..... Lolzzz, you make it seem like I am having an affair with a 5 year old....... On the other hand, what does that make you, who wants a man to pay for ur decision?

Sophyrocks:

No wonder!! but when you are ready to have a child after marriage, it becomes a life to you ba? It becomes a life that has consciousness abi? The bolded shows A HUGE LACK OF RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE on your part!!

Im shocked!!

Ok, ok let's slow down. You're coming at me with too many emotions.

When I'm ready to have a child after marriage, it's still a bunch of cells that lack conscious until the baby is born and well developed. Married couples do abort. Plus, I don't remember what happened when I was in the womb.

I don't lack respect for human life. More like, I'm very logical. I can also make the argument that you lack respect for human life since you use condoms; and condoms kill sperms, the basis of human life.

coogar:

a child doesn't just come into the picture. my condom just broke & the deed is already done......

i have no control from that point henceforth. the woman still has plenty of control. morning after pills can still be administered, there are enough injections she could take to get rid even before she misses her next period.

in the eventuality that all these methods fail, there's abortion process. why do women not take these measures? if she carries the baby to term while i have registered my complaints that i ain't ready for the child then she should bear the cost. the man should never ever be forced by the courts to pay a dime on what he didn't want.

ok....u talk as if abortion is just akin to a bandaid on a cut
No problem though... i dont blame u ..na all this pro choice army that have likened it as such

Im looking at it from the angle at what is best for society

im surprised its the so called feminists arguing against abortion however

Babe!.. im enjoying your arguments.. very logical...

Ewuro1:

Before you twist this argument to boy vs girl, Please note that the lady is not exempted from this.

But

He has no right to make that call to take a life.

. Take what life?? The cell What was ur grade in biology?

Ewuro1:

Before you twist this argument to boy vs girl, Please note that the lady is not exempted from this.

But

He has no right to make that call to take a life.

Blame the pro choicers
They thought they won Roe V wade
See wat society has become

The law states that until a child is 24 weeks or so.. those clump of cells are a non person and an alien to the woman
She has the right to eject

CHOICE.. dont be sentimental on this issue
its the consequences we have to bear

teenagers can access abortion pretty easily

alutacontinua:

Why do I have to be assuming for a full-fledged adult?
what happened to expressly communicating his desire before the deed and let us reach an agreement?


What does it matter how many men I've slept with? You wanno sleep with me too?
and yes, if you're cute and smart, I might just decide to keep our baby

. Lmao, I was actually heading somewhere.... If any man u sleep with wants to have a child since he didn't say otherwise, dat means u have quite a number of babies..... Oya answer the question, how many cute smart men have u slept with?

pickabeau1:

Blame the pro choicers
They thought they won Roe V wade
See wat society has become

The law states that until a child is 24 weeks or so.. those clump of cells are a non person and an alien to the woman
She has the right to eject

CHOICE.. dont be sentimental on this issue
its the consequences we have to bear

teenagers can access abortion pretty easily

. I was waiting for her to answer the question...