In OAU, all health sciences and pharmacy pay d same sch fees. am not sure of others. so if d sch fees for medical students is higher dan others in ur sch, dt's ur own cup of tea. U shud av come to OAU if u fink others paying less dan u is a problem
Again and again, not all health professional wan to study medicine, and dont say all other health profesional fail out of medical sch, in OAU wen u fail out of medical sch u cant go to other all health science.

Once again, patient view? patient view indeed. u dont talk abt dia demand of apointin surgeon general yet dz A d pple dt dont want other to b apoint as consultant.

100,000 for health hazard alowance, A u d only one dt av contact wth d patient? wat abt nurses and medical lab scientist dt mostly do d dirty work, wat abt dia special plate no? dey wil son ask for special road so dt dia wont b odd up, in case of emergency. Wat u said u dont want for others u A claiming it for yrself. SMH.

D point is NMA is loosing it dignity and valu gradually, u A in stike for almost 2 wks and u still cant achieve anytin, dey tink wen dey stike for even 2 days FG wil come to dem begging. Wen u pple A tire u will go back to work.
GREEDINESS at it peak

phantom: very funny. because you ve seen a Nigerian who is asking the right questions. you people are lucky we are in Nigeria,a country with dull leaders and dull people.a country where insane things are given consideration. its a pity really

5minsmadness: Whether you guys like it or not, the doctor is the gateway into the hospital. The doctor is the one that attends to the patients first and comes up with a diagnosis. The doctor is the one who deciphers which lab investigation will be done for the patient among the hundreds of lab investigations out there( not only malaria and typhoid). The doctor is the one who knows the proper nursing care for the patient and directs the nurses whose work it is to carry out that nursing care to do so. The doctor is the one that knows the right type of drug that will be suitable for the patient, the pharmacist can now dispense the drug or advice the doctor on drug interactions which by the way most of the consultant doctors already know. The doctor is the one who follows the patient throughout until the patient recovers and the doctor is the one who discharges the patient.


What is happened in our country is primarily controlled by greed and petty jealousy no matter how nicely the other specialties want to paint it. If you want to be a consultant then expand your curriculum. If you want to be a medical director then be a medical doctor.


Me, I won't go to pharmacist or nurse if I have an emergency medical problem o, I dont know about you guys. Its the doctor I will trust for my health at the end of the day. This unnecessary and illogical power tussle must stop.

A patient's perspective.

publicenemy: @op dont even bother the Doctors wont listen.They care more about their Ego and pockets than human lives.
And the Ngeirian Government...well those ones are even worse.

If you want to hide something from a Nigerian, write a book

malbruno: my dear, u have Said it all, just an addition d consultants are meant to specialize in a particular area of study like consultant gyenocologist, consultant urologist etc. Their role differ, so it will be for Consultant chem pathologist, consultant haematologist consultant pharmacist when they have got the requisit qualification. How is it affecting other consultants who shld face their own specialty. what kind egocentric set of human beings

adeoladrg: NMA has confused the public with this 'own the patient' talk. TF? Who cares?

Been a consultant pharmacist doesn't mean I want to own the patient!!! It just means I want to undergo residency in a particular field say endocrinology just like my colleagues all over the world to have a robust knowledge on drug optimization.

I don't care if you own the patient [/b]or not! So far I can't make my impact felt in the patients drug profile, make sure there's no drug interaction, no side effect, no overdosage or underdosage and the myriads of adverse effects associated with polypharmacy.

[b]Own the patients! Who cares!!!

Moreover, you've own the patients over the years! What do you have to show? Wrong diagnosis, wrong prescription, unnecessary surgery, at all iatrogenic issues. Doctors abroad know the value of other health professionals undergoing residency, that's why we keep running there for treatment. Own the gullible patients!!!

This is a doctor's perspective jor!!!

I'd be waiting for the day the patients would form an association, sue the doctors, sue the pharmacists, sue the nurses, sue the med lab scientists, sue everybody in healthcare. That day and only on that day would salvation visit the health of Nigerians.

You want to be a consultant but you don't want to own the patient, bros I disagree completely with you, we don't need more bureaucracies in our health sector.

drered: LOL. This is supposed to be a patients opinion? Bleh!

jpphilips:

No, it is a monster's Opinion.

sogodihno: Relativity in health sector: Dia's enough relativity now, other start frm grade 9 or 10. u guys start frm grade 12, yet wat do u want? is it dat u want other to start frm grade 6 and u guys start frm grade 15?
Consultant? ao does it affect u guys, dz A d pple yoruba called "ANIKANJOPON". If u put yrself in a position of respect nobody will dishonor u.
In OAU, all health sciences and pharmacy pay d same sch fees. am not sure of others. so if d sch fees for medical students is higher dan others in ur sch, dt's ur own cup of tea. U shud av come to OAU if u fink others paying less dan u is a problem
Again and again, not all health professional wan to study medicine, and dont say all other health profesional fail out of medical sch, in OAU wen u fail out of medical sch u cant go to other all health science.
Once again, patient view? patient view indeed. u dont talk abt dia demand of apointin surgeon general yet dz A d pple dt dont want other to b apoint as consultant. 100,000 for health hazard alowance, A u d only one dt av contact wth d patient? wat abt nurses and medical lab scientist dt mostly do d dirty work, wat abt dia special plate no? dey wil son ask for special road so dt dia wont b odd up, in case of emergency. Wat u said u dont want for others u A claiming it for yrself. SMH.
D point is NMA is loosing it dignity and valu gradually, u A in stike for almost 2 wks and u still cant achieve anytin, dey tink wen dey stike for even 2 days FG wil come to dem begging. Wen u pple A tire u will go back to work.
GREEDINESS at it peak

sakaguchi: The issue of a consultant has being overflogged isn't it? What will a consultant nurse do? What the hell is a consultant pharmacist? The doctors who are consultants specialise in a particular field of medicine and specialize holistically in it. Consultant urologist, consultant cardiologist, consultant nephrologist is more like it.
The difference between a consultant pharmacist and a pharmacist is clearly non-existent.
Even a novice like me knows that there must be a difference between a doctor (medical officer) and a cardiologist.

Please! I think government should call JOHESU, NMA to a round table. NMA need to shelf that ego that it can't sit together with JOHESU as it as become apparent that they are relevant stake holders.

The truth is, no matter what NMA or JOHESU says, this whole brouhaha is all politics. Nigerian doctors are underpaid even if we all hate their greed. Same thing too with nurses. To maintain parity, relativity must be enshrined. This is what I think is more important. Government should make that sit of CMD less attractive. For instance, let anybody who is a CMD will have no improve package whatsoever. If you are a doctor before being appointed CMD , your pay package will remain the same. Then anybody whatsoever can vie for CMD as I seriously think that post of CMD is not the sole right of doctors. They should all strife for improve pay package and the doctors must earn higher than the nurses and pharmacists as this is how it is universally. Pharmacists earn lots of money outside the hospital. Inside the hospital, their remuneration must be lower than doctors own. Then FG should make JOHESU illegal. How can all unions in a setting gang up to face just one.

Patients are dying because of needless politics.
This to me is a patient's perspective.

nobilis: Doctors are greedy and egocentric. Fine and good. I agree. But I have some questions:
1. Who started this fight in the first place? JOHESU
2. Who started fighting to change d status quo because it doesn't favour them? JOHESU
3. Who formed a union whose sole purpose is to oppose and bring down doctors? JOHESU

Johesu initially presented their demands to d govt. When govt wasn't forthcoming, they went on strike and govt acceded to their request. NMA presented their own demands to d govt. When Johesu saw those demands, they threatened to go on strike if those demands were considered by the govt. So who is selfish and greedy?

Johesu wants to be consultants, yet they don't want doctors to be surgeon-generals. They only employ principles of international best practices only in the context that it favours them.

[size=15pt]Why will patients be dying when johesuites are still working in the hospital? After all, doctors didn't lock up anything like the johesu people do, when they go on strike. [/size]

People say johesu doesn't wanna obstruct doctors. But let me ask:
Why does johesu lock up d whole hospital when they go on strike as though the hospital belongs to them?
Why are they not rising to d challenge of taking charge of patients and overseeing medical care of patients since they are far much better than doctors

Johesu says they have no business interfering with d job description of doctors. But let me ask:
Why did a certain "consultant" nurse in a certain hospital prevent a consultant surgeon from inspecting his patient's surgical wound?
Why do certain "consultant" radiographers in a certain hospital prevent consultant radiologists from reading and reporting radiological investigations?
Why do certain laboratory scientists in certain hospitals prevent resident pathologists from working in the labs?

Food for thought:
If pharmacists, radiographers, nurses, physiotherapists, drivers, cleaners, records clerks, accountants, and other administrative workers had to gang up together to fight doctors, it means dat doctors are stronger than each one of you.
If doctors go on strike and the whole lot of you cannot rise to d challenge of taking charge of patient health care, then it means that doctors are stronger than all of u put 2geda.

jpphilips:

Exactly my thoughts, now on the CMD, he happens to be the Oga kpata kpata in the hospital, bro those guys are large ooo, If they should be reduced to minions, how will they command the respect of other doctors like him, and these JOHESU people?
JOHESU is a nuisance and I support the illegal clause you attached to it.

Even in companies, they choose the MD from some departments that they deem vital to the organization.

The organization may have a plethora of departments but you will notice most times, the MD or GM come from core areas. If we leave politics aside (we know IM is a big problem in Nigeria) why will a sane company promote the CSO to a GM, simply because he is part of the organization? except if the company is a security company then it is right.

Now in an Engineering firm (not big companies that make every personnel to go round), (I chose firm so it could be close to a hospital setting) that renders services to a client, they mostly select GM from, Legal/Admin (rare), HR, Operations (most likely), BD (most likely), and Accts (rare occasions) except where they are rendering financial services, then the Accounts guy will be more qualified to be the GM.

Liken it to a hospital where the doctor by default is the only guy that goes round the whole depts before he specializes, it is common sense to leave CMD for him. Unless the others will expand their curriculum to be as broad as that of the doctors then i am OK with the rotation thing.

anomsodi: I laugh wit dis half baked argument....jus as in de university dat comprises very profession..jus as agric extensionist can be a vice chancellor of de university does it mean dat oda dept wil nt function well...for Me been a consultant makes u an authority ova ur profession...