phantom: look brother....if you want to import from the US do it well.if your consultancy entails a residency training,go ahead and do it.if it entails a masters and PhD,go ahead and do it.
the west African college of pharmacists has been in existence for years.HOW MANY OF YOUR SENIORS ARE FELLOWS?
you prefer to open pharmacies and sell drugs.
you, adeola when did you qualify as a pharmacist? have you considered a residency in pharmacy??

phantom: look brother....if you want to import from the US do it well.if your consultancy entails a residency training,go ahead and do it.if it entails a masters and PhD,go ahead and do it.
the west African college of pharmacists has been in existence for years.HOW MANY OF YOUR SENIORS ARE FELLOWS?
you prefer to open pharmacies and sell drugs.
you, adeola when did you qualify as a pharmacist? have you considered a residency in pharmacy??

adeoladrg:

My brother, pharmacy also has specialty areas just like medicine. HIV pharmacists exist, Endocrine pharmacists exist, I personally know a Renal pharmacist.

All you need to is undergo Residency training provided by WAPCP for a minimum of 6 years depending on your area of specialty. I just got an info from a consultant on FB, that's there's also post residency internship for about 3-4 years depending on the area of specialty too.

This is what makes you a Consultant pharmacist. Now tell me how useful such a person is to patient care. Compare how an ordinary pharmacist would optimize an HIV patients polypharmacy prescription to how an HIV pharmacist that has spent almost 8 years studying the HIV drug would optimize!

This still doesn't destroy the patient-doctor link. It just makes sure the patients get the best drug therapy at whatever time.

You cannot be paid as a consultant just because you are responsible for just an ailment, haba! consultant for HIV pharm, consultant Kidney nurse, consultant cosmetic cleaner, the whole thing should sound ridiculous to you (Hope you didn't chip in the HIV clause to scare me ) After all doctors manage HIV patients too or your own HIV now have wings?

please If after your sojourn in the realm of HIV, Pharmacy et al, you cannot own a patient, then it is useless to us. NMA has been able to accept that responsibility and Nigerians are glad to give them the Badge and honor to go with.

adeoladrg:

We argued all this while on NL and uon know? Well, I'll first love to secure the PharmD degree, works for a few years then undergo residency to become an Endocrine pharmacist.

jpphilips:


You cannot be paid as a consultant just because you are responsible for just an ailment, haba! consultant for HIV pharm, consultant Kidney nurse, consultant cosmetic cleaner, the whole thing should sound ridiculous to you (Hope you didn't chip in the HIV clause to scare me )

please If after your sojourn in the realm of HIV, Pharmacy et al, you cannot own a patient, then it is useless to us. NMA has been able to accept that responsibility and Nigerians are glad to give them the Badge and honor to go with.

adeoladrg:

Dear patients, just imagine the kind of doctor you want to entrust your life with!!!

A doctor, politely tells a nurse what to do for a patient, he or she first looks the doctor from head to toe. If the work is not done as directed, and the doctor complains, he is tagged arrogant. In the aim to gain relevance, a lot of Nurses have grown so aggressive, in recent times, that patients are too scared to approach them when in the ward.

adeoladrg:

If at this point, you're still talking about owning the patient, then I have no more words for you.

jpphilips:


were you the person who accused me of being a Doctor? why are you generous to explain to a doctor what ordinarily he should know?
After all the grammar you spoke, who has the last call on what happens to a patient as regards his treatment?
let us skip the colloquial "owning" "having" etc.

GentleMimi: Privatization,i have no fear. I work in a private hospital that is very' expensive compared to other places. CS is nothing less than a million for ''Deposit''. Now u wish to privatize the pharmacy and lab. A simple test of MP using QBC would prolly cost N3k. How many peeps can afford MP test (only) for such amount? This is a test done for N300 in teaching hsptl using normal staining methods. N3,000 and N300,there is a huge difference.
You talk about people willing to pay at any cost,just to get quality services. Now,let me ask you. We have affordable health services in Nigeria,but still get faced with mortality and complications due to poverty. The average man takes '' agbo'' when he suspects malaria. Think abt it for a second.

GentleMimi:
You call it grammar,i call it facts. No,i aint accusing you. Use your tongue to count your teeth.
I will always be realistic. The first point of call in a hospital is front desk officer/receptionist...then nurse....then a doctor...then a scientist....back to the doctor...and finally a pharmacist. Others come in at certain points. But do not EVER take one unit as insignificant. The last point of call is usually the pharmacy.

jpphilips:

sorry bros, just help me put the right phrase, while doing that, Kindly read meaning into the rest of the message to garner support for our doctors, like I told a friend of mine, it is we the patients that will suffer most if the status quo is not restored.

Look at the competition between the BSc Nurses and the Registered nurses (all JOHESU members) and now they want consultancy?
I don't want a nurse to tell me she is a consultant who can no longer pack sh!!t in the ward.

5minsmadness:
So you were looking for one that would favour JOESHU?

jpphilips:

Simple question behooves simple answer, I may not be a health practitioner doesn't mean I left my common sense abroad.

Who does the prognosis and logs in the patients complain?
who tells the scientist which test to run to confirm his prognosis?
who writes the drug prescription and dosage that wakes the pharmacist from coma?
whose signature admits and discharges the patient?
who certifies a patient DEAD?

back to the issue again, who owns the patient??

jpphilips:

Simple question behooves simple answer, I may not be a health practitioner doesn't mean I left my common sense abroad.

Who does the prognosis and logs in the patients complain?
who tells the scientist which test to run to confirm his prognosis?
who writes the drug prescription and dosage that wakes the pharmacist from coma?
whose signature admits and discharges the patient?
who certifies a patient DEAD?

back to the issue again, who owns the patient??

jpphilips:

Simple question behooves simple answer, I may not be a health practitioner doesn't mean I left my common sense abroad.

Who does the prognosis and logs in the patients complain?
who tells the scientist which test to run to confirm his prognosis?
who writes the drug prescription and dosage that wakes the pharmacist from coma?
whose signature admits and discharges the patient?
who certifies a patient DEAD?

back to the issue again, who owns the patient??

chucs: Mr man its not every nurse that packs faeces. There is hierarchy and carder in nursing profession which is also found in other profession. U seem to be a patient that has vast knowledge in medical field but found it difficult to acknowledge the existence of nurse consultants as seen all over the world. I find it difficult to understand why a professional will not be allowed to get to the peak of his/her career. The issue on ground is not about ownership of the patients but the a clear knowledge of what consultant stand for. According to wikipedia "a consultant is a professional who provides professional or expert advice in a particular area such as security(electronic or physical),management,accountancy,law,human resources,marketing(and public relations),finance,engineering or any of many other specialized fields"

chucs: I was looking for unbiased and neutral opinion.

jpphilips:


There you go again, if there are already existing unproductive hierarchy and cadre in nursing, why do you want more by asking for consultancy?
What have the patients benefited from those so called BSc. nurses who fold their legs on front desk while the registered nurses pack all the sh!!t and p!ss? what use are they to us?

I have seen a Bsc nurse who refused to remove an Anal dressing in the name of not wanting to soil her hands and claim it is for the Reg. nurse to do so, meanwhile on another patient, the so called BSc nurse could not put a catheter, it was a doctor who came to her rescue.

BSc nurse vs Reg. nurse is a lot of problem already, the patient don't want more bureaucracy. A Bsc nurse on night duty only chat online in the name of writing report on the system, it is the Reg. nurse that throw away all the p!!s from the P!ss bags, practically they are useless.

Aux. nurse will bathe the patient, fetch water for patients, run around for food, serve drugs, clean the hospital, change diapers etc the BSc will be seating like an oracle dishing out insults on the productive ones.

#Say no to unproductive consultancy# if a nurse, pharmacist or scientist want to be consulted, open a shrine, or store take it outside the Govt hospitals.

But for your last submission, you were on point. Conclusion was really shallow, those are no reasons for the superiority of medical doctors

adeoladrg:

One question. If you had a thyroid removal surgery to do, or appendicitis. Or say a cancer removing surgery, would you allow a Nigerian medical doctor do this on you?

adeoladrg:

How come you know so much? You're a patient oo

jpphilips:
There you go again, if there are already existing unproductive hierarchy and cadre in nursing, why do you want more by asking for consultancy?
What have the patients benefited from those so called BSc. nurses who fold their legs on front desk while the registered nurses pack all the sh!!t and p!ss? what use are they to us?
I have seen a Bsc nurse who refused to remove an Anal dressing in the name of not wanting to soil her hands and claim it is for the Reg. nurse to do so, meanwhile on another patient, the so called BSc nurse could not put a catheter, it was a doctor who came to her rescue.
BSc nurse vs Reg. nurse is a lot of problem already, the patient don't want more bureaucracy. A Bsc nurse on night duty only chat online in the name of writing report on the system, it is the Reg. nurse that throw away all the p!!s from the P!ss bags, practically they are useless.
Aux. nurse will bathe the patient, fetch water for patients, run around for food, serve drugs, clean the hospital, change diapers etc the BSc will be seating like an oracle dishing out insults on the productive ones.
#Say no to unproductive consultancy# if a nurse, pharmacist or scientist want to be consulted, open a shrine, or store take it outside the Govt hospitals.

benghaziii: peepz find it difficult to distinguish between dentist n doctors cos they both called doctors ....physiotherapist n lab scientist too cos dey all wear white coats.. now calling this peepz consultants will mess this profession up..
alot of the paramedics treat patients wrongly.. parasite on patient's ignorance until this poor peepz come to hospitals wif complications..

how would u allow a lab scientists to be called a consultant.. am even pissed at this moment..nigerians will never learn...

centje: what's your point

Aside thyroidectomy, those surgeries, you mentioned, are very common surgeries done by Doctors, GPs, fresh graduates, not even specialists, within minutes, just to tell you how simple they are. When some of you take this angle i just but wish we could track you to see who will treat you when you fall sick. You will still run back to the same Doctors you castigate.
I bet you have no clue of number of patients saved by nigerian physicians not to talk of surgeons, on daily basis.

adeoladrg:

What about when you have an eye surgery? Organ transplant? Would you allow a Nigerian medical doctor perform magic on you? Op pls answer!

adeoladrg:

One question. If you had a thyroid removal surgery to do, or appendicitis. Or say a cancer removing surgery, would you allow a Nigerian medical doctor do this on you?

GentleMimi:
Lol. Yet u claim to be a patient. Come out clean,boy!
Nobody ''owns'' any patient. Stop confusing yourself with that phrase. Very funny and naive.
Who does the diagnosis,to confirm the prognosis? Medical scientists.

Who handles patient care in the wards? Nurses.

Who handles therapy in patients with bone issues? Physiotherapists

A patient comes into the hospital with complaints of malaise,nausea,weakness and pain. There are more than ten disease conditions with the same set of symptoms. Automatically,he requests for MP/widal. It comes out negative. What next? If he is a god,let him now determine the cause of the patient's ailment with his ''prognosis''. If he is a god,let him take care of the patient when admitted.
I repeat,nobody owns the patient. It is a collective effort.

centje:
I've wasted my time with a kid. Sorry for quoting, my dear.

adeoladrg:

One question. If you had a thyroid removal surgery to do, or appendicitis. Or say a cancer removing surgery, would you allow a Nigerian medical doctor do this on you?