blackprowler:

It's earlier, like 12th century. You're being generous. By the 17th century the Reformation was already underway, witchcraft was outdated, technology and the industrial revolution had began its infancy, Galileo had already damaged the Church's geocentric dogma for which he would pay for the rest of his life, and already died by then.

Sagamite:

So the God of the Bible is not omni-intelligent?

J12:

Wetin you wan hear?

MissMeiya: Smh for naija. Minds of 17th century Europeans.

blackprowler:

Sorry, not even the Reformation. That was already set by the 17th. It was the Renaissance I meant, where science and logic started taking over from tradition and religion. No religious practice we have today will ever match the stifling hell Europeans lived through in the 10th - 15th centuries. All of man are the same, just different in their level of development. There is no "African tradition" "African ways." Na lie. It is our way of defending our backwardness. Everything we defend as different from Europeans, they also did when they were backward like we are today. They had kings, stupid laws and traditions, believed in spirits, killed witches. Just name any of our barbarism today, Oyibo did it too. They don't pay me for the lecture I give on Nairaland. Instead they insult me and delve into sophistry to hold on to their minds preset for them since birth. I propose everyone should be taught science and history and nobody should listen to any elders

Elebiju: The Catholic church is the prime suspect If you discovered that Christmas had nothing to do with Jesus Christ's birth and actually predates that event by centuries, would you still celebrate the holiday? And if you realized that the Bible reveals Holy Days commanded by God, would you celebrate them instead?When I was a young boy, I looked forward to Christmas every Dec. 25. Shortly before one particular Christmas, while still in secondary school, one of my schoolmates laughed me to scorn for believing that Father Xmas (Santa Claus) existed. I was mortified.When I returned home that evening, I asked my mom whether Father Xmas was real.She said he wasn't. Privately I thought,"Well, if father xmas isn't real, what is?"Years later I learned that Christmas actually predated Christianity by about 2,000 years. Many ancient nations created their own midwinter festivals and celebrations—which later morphed into Christmas—to honor the sun and other gods around the time of the winter solstice. I also learned that the origins of Christmas contradict true Christianity. Christmas contradicts the biblical facts it's commonly assumed that Christmas is celebrated because it's the birthday of Jesus Christ. But biblical scholars overwhelmingly admit that Jesus was born nowhere near Dec. 25. There are sound reasons for this conclusion. Luke's Gospel tells us that Joseph and Mary were traveling to Bethlehem to register during a Roman census when Jesus was born, and also that shepherds still had their flocks out in the open fields at that time (Luke 2:1-. Even fulani herdsmen no fit endure harmattan but the Holy Land in December is cold, rainy and sometimes snowy. No sound-minded shepherd would have been so foolhardy as to leave his flock in the fields at night at that time of year. And no intelligent ruler would compel people to travel many miles to register for a census when the likelihood of bad weather would have made such an effort self-defeating. Why should we believe that Jesus was born on Dec. 25 when the Bible itself plainly contradicts this notion?The birth of Christmas so if Christmas didn't originate with Christ's birth being on Dec. 25, when and how did it originate?Christmas began long before the birth of Jesus Christ. Alexander Hislop's book the Two Babylonsexplores many historical sources showing that the holiday precedes Christ by at least 2,000 years, as earlier mentioned.A nativity celebration for pagan gods was observed near the winter solstice inboth Syria and Egypt. Later, some 400 years before Christ, the Mithraic religion, centering on the Persian sun god Mithras, provided the foundation for the Christmas celebration. Mithraism became very popular in the Roman Empire, and many elements of its worship survive today in Roman Catholicism. My stand;I dont celebrate Xmas but i eat the delicacies.

MissMeiya: Smh for naija. Minds of 17th century Europeans.

MissMeiya: Nigeria seriously needs to release some of this religious zealotry. If the people who invented the phones and computers, the internet, and all their various components had stubbornly rejected logic and science and education the way many Nigerians do, there wouldn't be a Nairaland for them to type their oft-misspelled decrying of science and history as "propaganda".

Nigeria is too brainwashed by its imposed religion. Where are our researchers and inventors and discoveries? Our artists and creative thinkers? Quelled by the stifling and censorious environment of religious Nigeria.

It even keeps Nigerians meek in the face of corrupt governance. The fact that a government can have the audacity to tell its people to pray for a solution, as Nigeria's government does, defies belief.

Religion was a tool used by colonists to make Africans passive and unquestioning to authority. And it worked disgustingly well, even after they left.

evanscheck: Walk into a pyschiatric hospital, request for admission, lie on the bed and tell them to give u lithium, am sure d brain has problems

Sagamite:

What wonders?

Torture?
I think the best place to find torture,rape and killing quotations is d bible,here are some:
t always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said“Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people ( 1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value ( Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of“all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses”( Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered. The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave ( Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse ( Judges 11:29-40and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks ( Hosea 13:16& Psalms 137:9). This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:"For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."( Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates. The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrificeand animal sacrifice. And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."(Luke 16:17 NAB)

Raape?

Slaughtering thousands people or forcing thousands to convert?

Armed robbery?

Killing of unarmed civilians?

AlfaSeltzer: Wait until you read the koran.

blackprowler:

O girl, if I see someone like you since, I for don marry by now o. I've not met a Nigerian girl who did not follow religion or some other type of superstition, or who had faith in science, even if themselves are science students. Plus other factors, this is why I am unmarried after 40 and probably never will if I'm still trapped in Nigeria. I sorry for this country taya

Sagamite:

Muhammed's own is even more funny.

He would do something, then to justify it, he would say he just got a revelation from God that it is right, so add it to the rules.

Something like sleep with a terrified slave/captive, then he would say God just revealed to him that that is allowed.

Lachynos2k2: despite the fact that I strongly believe in the existence of a supreme being(GOD) and life after death,I will not allow a book written more than 2000 years ago containing a whole bunch of fallacies dictate for me how to live my modern life..being able to differentiate the good from the evil is enough to help me avoid evil as much as I can.

Mintayo:
The Bible doesn't need any re-editing, it is we humans that need to be regenerated. The Op is Ignorant athiest who needs to go back to Sunday school and Bible study class.

blackprowler:

If you were born in Mecca, you'd be saying same thing in favour of the Islamic faith. You can't realise that you're in mental bondage for life, which closes down your natural ability to think when it comes to the area in which you suffer the handicap. Take note: this is fact, not insult

Slimmos: Jesus hav come to take all dis wahala laws from us.....we are under his grace....so 4get all dos old testament wahala laws..nobody dey even send all dos laws again......na only MUSLIM people carry all dis tin for their head..infact if u check d quran almost evrytin in dis life is banned...

Sagamite:

I am not that pained.

The world is full of fucktards and we need to control them. The world is too complex for their whinny brain. Religion helps us to control them by enclosing these complexities in meaningless stories that makes it appear simpler to them.

Unfortunately, the complexity is so vast, the decomplexification is so tough to make simple and because there are multiple different controllers (i.e. religions), we still have spillovers of these fucktards misusing it or ending up seeing it as a platform to commit atrocities.

Despite the fact I know religions are all rubbish, I still have to thank Jesus and Muhammed for largely helping to create these control mechanism because without them, the world would be a worse place full of barbarians.

I love religion. I want majority of others to practice them.

blackprowler:

I confirm to you today: you are a brain! I finally find someone who meets my standard of thought. I've reflected on this issue and came to this exact conclusion. Religion has indeed played a very commendable part in taming these wild animals called people we have on earth (all races). If these people got any clue of how we advanced minds understand the emptiness of existence, there will be breakdown of law and order; there will be chaos and great wickedness. With their religion see how wicked they still are. How much more if they realise no punishment in any afterlife.
My problem is that the shepherds who have been leading these people are now so self-centered that they've now moved to over-exploit them for personal material reasons and for power. Mohammed, Jesus, Moses, Elijah, Samuel, disciples, Paul were not rich or powerful men. Now a head of church want to use the platform to become president of a country after robbing people blind to finance private jets, universities, mansions, auditoriums, all in his own business name. It is sad; really sad. And their mental slaves come on here to defend them.

I support religion as it helps tame the mass of wild animals that humans actually are while we continue our march to fully develop our mental capacities. You and I accelerated this process in our lives and hence we're so different (and I'm suffering greatly for it) from our environment. Even in Europe, you'll discover a marked difference in their societies as they have moved further ahead from the likes of us in Nigeria

segzicres:
Tithe paying is in the old testament. Is it not? Why pay it?

herald9: The old testament is really old.
And what do all things do...
They die...
Thats why we should focus more on the new testament.


No one should force us to obey foreign traditions-not even the bible...
We have ours_


phew!

Apatheist:
Are you a theist? I was being sarcastic.

Sagamite:

Thanks, bro.

I have always felt it is like some kind of sick joke by whoever is the creator for putting me in the midst of these fucktards we have on Earth.

I keep on asking why should I be put in the midst of fucktards with a millionth of my brain power and then have their decisions and life choices affect me.

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Sagamite:

What wonders?

Torture?

Raape?

Slaughtering thousands people or forcing thousands to convert?

Armed robbery?

Killing of unarmed civilians?