vooks:
Mbaemeko
You are God and I know your ways and thinking is very different from vooks' a mere mortal
Now you are subtly cursing me
Some of the unscientific and unscriptural assertions you have made so far;
1. Jesus needs your permission BEFORE taking you home, meaning your immortality is in your hands
2. Jesus blood came from God but his flesh came from Mary because blood of an infant comes from the Father according to CE Science
[s]3. Jesus flesh was badly blemished but his blood was not and as such his flesh was NEVER fit for our redemption[/s]
4. Men will stand before the throne and LIE about miracles they NEVER did
[s]5. Anybody who has ever cast out devils or healed in Jesus name will NEVER perish[/s]
5. Pastor Chris is a Dignitary and you don't speak evil of dignitaries. Vooks ain't dignitary and you wish him death
[s]6. You can and actually do ALL Jesus did except I haven't seen you create another sun nor raise yourself up from dead [/s]

mbaemeka:
I have not seen a bigger bunch of dishonest fellows in my life. The funny thing is how they all swept in to aid the damage control without saying anything new.
So we are dealing with the NET bible now as the paragon for right interpretations while we neglect the surfeit of at least 10 other translations that I posted all giving the same interpretations with me.
Let me humor myself a bit

mbaemeka:

mbaemeka said Jesus had the same flesh with fallen men and pseudo-theologians said otherwise because of the word translated "like" or "likeness".
So when John said he saw one that was "like" unto the son of man in Revelations 1, he was obviously referring to one whose outward appearance only looked like the Son of man- He wasn't. New revelation!!!
Here is another risible post bordering on illogicality:

mbaemeka:

We are to overlook the obvious contradiction in the fact that Adam who didn't have sinful anything was still able to sin
yet God sent Jesus in whatever flesh it was that was impervious to sin yet suffered the very same consequences that Adam's fallen flesh suffered.

mbaemeka:

The human body is controlled by sin i.e dominated and ruled by sin and it's consequence.
That human body, the same one the law could not fix, God sent his own son to be housed in
- so he could show us it was possible to live a life devoid of sin (and its consequences) in that body by the power of the Holy Spirit.

mbaemeka:

That is why Jesus is our template: he lived in the same flesh we have and defeated sin.
Now we are to walk in the same manner and it is possible because we have the same Holy Spirit that he had.
But nepioses don't know this, carnal christians don't know this and religious people don't know this either.
Therefore, the same way that Hagar and Ismael (signifying Children of the flesh) kept jeering at Sarah and Isaac (children of the spirit) because of their belief in the fulfillment of the promise in Abraham's day, so it is even now.

BabaGnoni:


The joke is on you bud and you're left high and dry.
You're out of your depth and don't even know you're in deep water LOL
You waded in water too deep to stand in.
________

You seem to forget what Adam is incapable of, God is capable, which is why God came down in "whatever flesh it was that was impervious to sin yet suffered the very same consequences that Adam's fallen flesh suffered." sic

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again
- John 10:17 NIV

The first Adam was tested in the garden, mind you in the midst of abundance (i.e. wasn't fasting etc) but failed
The second Adam was tested in the garden now turned to wilderness, and mind you in the midst of lack (i.e. was fasting etc) and passed

They both started out with sinless flesh, one fell at the first hurdle, the other did not (i.e. the other passed with flying colors)
So which same consequence are you claiming the second Adam suffered as the first Adam now?
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In face of glaring 1 John 3:5, it is beggar belief how you are unable to reconcile or accept Jesus had no sin in Him nor sin in His flesh

And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him.
- 1 John 3:5 NLT

mbaemeka:


First off, death is referred to as the enemy. Secondly, it might interest you again to know that not all christians will die (so just keep that in perspective when you speak about death). Thirdly, Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

mbaemeka:


3. You would only garner a few likes here and there by the same brethren of the confused with this statement.
4. No christian will perish I said so. The one about anybody who has ever cast out devils in Jesus name will never perish is your derided and deluded imagination at work. Maybe you should list the many people that are performing miracles in Jesus' name that he would deny. I am sure you know what "MANY" means.
6. If you can show me how Jesus raised himself from the dead I will concede.
5. Oh don't get all maudlin on me, you are certain you can die anyhow and any time. I only mentioned one of the means for you. Another one would be you committing suicide by guzzling arsenic [/b]but then you would not get to see me receive a crown of righteousness in heaven.
1. Since I am in one of those show-ignoramuses-scriptures-to-shut-them-up-again moods. Maybe you can explain these verses to me.

Genesis 15:15King James Version (KJV)
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; [b]thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

Genesis 25:8King James Version (KJV)
8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.

Luke 2:25-26King James Version (KJV)
25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him.
26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

I am sure the Holy Spirit that spoke to Abraham and Simeon is a different one in you. Well, sucks to be you as I have the same Holy spirit living in me. That same one teaches me all truth and gives me all things to enjoy. So don't expect me to leave this world like all of you (you know the "you" ) and don't be offended that God's word is not newspaper to me. When I read it, I do so conscious of the fact that I am taking life into me and being metamorphosed into the same glory of the word. So every now and then you will hear me say things that will be too big for the poorly stuffed religious mind.

BabaGnoni:

The joke is on you bud and you're left high and dry.
You're out of your depth and don't even know you're in deep water LOL
You waded in water too deep to stand in.

Listen, you have no legs to stand on, the NET bible was an indiscrimate choice.
- It was picked at random without merit

All other translations (e.g. King James Bible, New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, NIV, English Standard Version etc) used "in the likeness of sinful flesh" concerning how Jesus was sent

You laid yourself open to ridicule with the above ignorance

Likeness (i.e. in Romans 8:3) is translated from the word Greek "homoíōma"
"homoíōma" by definition originally means a thing made like something else, a likeness, or rather: form; a similitude.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
- Romans 8:3 King James 2000 Bible

Like (i.e. in Revelation 1:13) is translated from the word Greek "homoion"
"homoion" by definition is one like, similar to, resembling, the same as, of equal rank.

And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man.
He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest.
- Revelation 1:13 NLT

Likeness (i.e. in Daniel 10:16) is translated from the word Hebrew "demuth"
"demuth" by definition is likeness, similitude, figures like, figures resembling, form, pattern, something resembling, which resembled, who resembled etc

And behold, one in the likeness of the children of man touched my lips.
Then I opened my mouth and spoke.
I said to him who stood before me, “O my lord, by reason of the vision pains have come upon me, and I retain no strength.
- Daniel 10:16 ESV

I suppose the angels that visited Abram and Sarai or Lot had sinful flesh on too and not flesh the likeness of the children of man

You seem to forget what Adam is incapable of, God is capable, which is why God came down in "whatever flesh it was that was impervious to sin yet suffered the very same consequences that Adam's fallen flesh suffered." sic

The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life--only to take it up again
- John 10:17 NIV

The first Adam was tested in the garden, mind you in the midst of abundance (i.e. wasn't fasting etc) but failed
The second Adam was tested in the garden now turned to wilderness, and mind you in the midst of lack (i.e. was fasting etc) and passed

They both started out with sinless flesh, one fell at the first hurdle, the other did not (i.e. the other passed with flying colors)
So which same consequence are you claiming the second Adam suffered as the first Adam now?

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In face of glaring 1 John 3:5, it is beggar belief how you are unable to reconcile or accept Jesus had no sin in Him nor sin in His flesh

And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him.
- 1 John 3:5 NLT

BabaGnoni:


Listen, you have no legs to stand on, the NET bible was an indiscrimate choice.
- It was picked at random without merit

All other translations (e.g. King James Bible, New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, NIV, English Standard Version etc) used "in the likeness of sinful flesh" concerning how Jesus was sent

You laid yourself open to ridicule with the above ignorance

Likeness (i.e. in Romans 8:3) is translated from the word Greek "homoíōma"
"homoíōma" by definition originally means a thing made like something else, a likeness, or rather: form; a similitude.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
- Romans 8:3 King James 2000 Bible

Like (i.e. in Revelation 1:13) is translated from the word Greek "homoion"
"homoion" by definition is one like, similar to, resembling, the same as, of equal rank.

And standing in the middle of the lampstands was someone like the Son of Man.
He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest.
- Revelation 1:13 NLT

Likeness (i.e. in Daniel 10:16) is translated from the word Hebrew "demuth"
"demuth" by definition is likeness, similitude, figures like, figures resembling, form, pattern, something resembling, which resembled, who resembled etc

And behold, one in the likeness of the children of man touched my lips.
Then I opened my mouth and spoke.
I said to him who stood before me, “O my lord, by reason of the vision pains have come upon me, and I retain no strength.
- Daniel 10:16 ESV

You seem to forget what Adam is incapable of, God is capable, which is why God came down in "whatever flesh it was that was impervious to sin yet suffered the very same consequences that Adam's fallen flesh suffered." sic

So which same consequence are you claiming the second Adam suffered as the first Adam now?

The first Adam's body "is controlled by sin i.e dominated and ruled by sin and it's consequence"
but same is not with the second Adam's body.
The second Adam broke no law, did not inherit the sinful nature from Adam, hence sin had no rule or claim on the second Adam

In face of glaring 1 John 3:5, it is beggar belief how you are unable to reconcile or accept Jesus had no sin in Him nor sin in His flesh

And you know that Jesus came to take away our sins, and there is no sin in him.
- 1 John 3:5 NLT

trustman:


BabaGnoni, that was a fantastic presentation.

 We now know who are dishonest and trying to do 'damage control' and who have held on to their stand from the start. 

vooks:
mbaemeki,
You clearly said Christ will seek your CONSENT in taking you home not that you will live to a ripe age. What if you hit a ripe age and don't consent? Will you hit overripe?

https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/20#25871643
Simeon was never promised ripe age nor immortality, just that Christ would be born in his life.

You need to start thinking and meditating on the Written Word instead of regurgitating mantras off Rhapsody of Unrealities negro

Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and/but he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

mbaemeka:


Don't be an obstinate dolt. This is what I said:

This simply means like Hezekiah he can say put your things in order and come home and I can follow the Hezekian route or submit like say Stephen (Submission is better FYI). I know it is too big for you but I am quoting scriptures at least. You tell me, if Simeon had to wait till he was 630 to see the messiah would it have been amiss? All the Holy Spirit told him was that he would not leave this world until he saw the messiah. If Simeon says "I cannot die any how" [cognizant of the promise of the Holy spirit] some religious neophytes would begin to cry blue murder but to their own detriment and chagrin.

As per your reference to exorcism the joke is fully on you given that you endorsed the cretinous notion of the christian having 2 natures as posted by some poster. It is you and such fellows that are cohabiting demons and the old human spirit side by side within. It is responsible for multiple personality disorders and the penchant to twist people's post to satisfy the whims of your very obvious scriptural incapacitation.

mbaemeka:
^^^^

Oh, the import of your post would be meaningful to those who fear the devil so much so that they have conceded he is the god of your world. I am very different in that regard and that's because I have taken the word of God for who he is and what he has made me: " A god over the devil and his cohorts". So you can see why the more you keep asking me about creating planets, the more half-witted you continue to sound. I never said I was Elohim (creator God) neither have I said that I am a member of the Godhead. But I definitely am god over sickness, poverty, failure, ignorance and death and any other thing that come by the devil and I would not apologise for that.

If you could read words of the bible without adding your flawed interpretations into them, you would have seen where Jesus said to the Jews how God called men "gods" simply because they received the word of God and he concluded that the scriptures cannot be put aside. So why are you offended that I believe the word of God to that degree that it appears foolish to you and other sense-ruled men?

Speaking of death I said 3 things that I am sure you didn't catch and I would just repeat them again for the sake of posterity. One, not all Christians will die. Two, True Christians don't translate out of this world like other men. Paul called it sleep: out of the body and ahome with Christ. And Three, that long life is part of the Abrahamic blessings. So see me as someone who is constantly conscious of these truths compared to some others very similar to satanists who fear death so much they have accepted it as something that could come any time yet they spend all their resources trying to postpone the same death that they pretend not to be afraid of.

Moreso, you would be positioning yourself into more and more delusions if you call me WOF even after I have repeatedly said I am otherwise, yet you exchange pleasantries with some others even on this thread that do not agree with the same things with you. For example, tell us your take on salvation and see if it would agree with Trustman's yet nobody calls you lot by any general name apart from confused.

Apart from that, there's no "WOF" Preacher I have listened to that says anything about death that is contrary to what is seen in the bible so you can keep deriding yourself by lying so you can appease the other confused people who take sides with you. It is akin to the same lies some of you tell about sicknesses and diseases because you have refused to accept God's word as true and provable.

Simeon does not support your folly let me also put a rude reminder. Simeon heard God tell him he would not die until he saw his son born, which means Just like Methuselah[b] if God had tarried with providing his son for another 500 years[/b], Simeon would still have been alive. That's why someone like John the Divine was still alive regardless of how many times attempts were made on his life simply because he was to receive the revelations of the end. So take this into cognizance when you spew out incoherent gibberish because you would not study to show yourself approved.

I would have given you another sound thrashing on the way I used consent but I would be casting pearls to swine so I would ask you another question to further confuse you. When God told Hezekiah to get ready to die did he consent to the idea or did he seek otherwise? If you refuse to answer the question then it is clear that you are the hooligan trying to project his hooliganism on those of us who know so much better.

For your Post scripted question, maybe you should direct it to Jesus himself for he is the one who said Christians will do greater works than him. Unlike you, I accepted the word as truth without trying to rationalize it and the more I did so, the more I witnessed tremendous miracles wrought by my own hands in the name of Jesus to the glory of the father and to the shame of satan and his kids, chief of which are those who are too pusilanimous to act like Jesus spoke the truth.

mbaemeka:
^^
The resident incorrigible troll. Please respond to my Hezekiah question and maybe we can take it from there.

mbaemeka:


First off, death is referred to as the enemy. Secondly, it might interest you again to know that not all christians will die (so just keep that in perspective when you speak about death). Thirdly, Jesus has the keys of Hell and Death now so (for us christians) he reserves the right to call us home and he doesn't do it without our consent (he is that kind).

vooks:
Jesus begging a negro consent to take him home:
Jesus: Negro, can I take you home?
Mbaemeka: Hell no!

Simeon don't support your heresies. Neither does Hezekiah except you show me how

mbaemeka:
^^

I keep giving you lifelines but you keep veering off into further illogicalities because you would not study or understand. Please answer the question about Hezekiah, I dare you to!

Let us breakdown my statement so that you would catch this time (I pray God).

1. Jesus reserves the right to call us home.
2. BUT he doesn't do it without our consent/foreknowledge/cooperation.
3. He is that kind.

Example 1: God wants to call Moses home so he says "Moses, go and die there". Moses says "ok lord" and goes to die.

God reserved the right to call Moses and Moses consented.

Example 2: God wants to call Hezekiah home so he says "put your house in order". Hezekiah says "No lord, I still want to serve you more and I know dead men can't do that". God then says "Ok son, I would give you 15 more years".

God reserved the right to call Hezekiah but Hezekiah didn't consent to it and God wasn't offended. He is that kind.

Mbaemeka says the same things in a synopsis and vooks began throwing fits in frustration.

mbaemeka:
^^^^

What a struggle!

vooks:
CONSENT defined

con·sent (kn-snt)
intr.v. con·sent·ed, con·sent·ing, con·sents
1. To give assent, as to the proposal of another; agree. See Synonyms at assent.
2. Archaic To be of the same mind or opinion.
n.
1. Acceptance or approval of what is planned or done by another; acquiescence. See Synonyms at permission.
2. Agreement as to opinion or a course of action: She was chosen by common consent to speak for the group.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consent
You will start living the moment you step beyond Rhapsodies mantras which you are trembling at the very thought of differing with

mbaemeka:


Consent that I referred to was to cooperate; agree. Hope that makes you feel better.

Do you now see how Hezekiah didn't "cooperate" with God when he was told to put his house in order? Can you juxtapose that with what Moses and Jesus did?

Caveat: Agreeing with God is a mark of true maturity.

Kenny4lyfe:


I'm patiently waiting for your response to that question...

vooks:
Negro,
it don't matter which you meant, it is the NECESSITY of CONSENT that baffles. Jesus is basically at your mercy despite him 'reserving the right to call you home'

CONSENT(from you) is necessary for you to check out meaning without it you are immortal

WinsomeX:
Vooks,

Why are you surprised at this position? Is God not an errand boy for WoFaithers? God certainly needs their permission or is it cooperation for them to die. They are gods and God is at their beck and call. They are not subject to God's plans, rather God is subject to their plans.

Why is death is so feared by WoF? Because WoF does not teach a hope of salvation. All their hope is on earth: prosperity, healing, promotion, etc.

So our example for Christian death is Hezekiah. It is not Jesus, who died an "untimely" death at 33. Or the apostles of the Lamb who were all martyred. James even killed before the church could move into full swing. Steven stoned to death.

Our example is Hezekiah. And if we look at the Hezekiah issues, where in that story was he cooperating or telling God when to die? Scripture records he pleaded with God and God answered his plea. Paul's assistant was sick unto death and God heeded Paul's plea in Philippians.

There is only one reason WoF fear death: they do not have a certainty of their salvation.

mbaemeka:


Can God save a man without the man's consent? Can God bless a man without his consent? While pondering on my questions you may also choose to drop the "beg" and "at your mercy" that you have been stretching my posts to mean as I never said Jesus begs for anything.

Do you realise that Paul said Immortality and life was brought to light by the gospel of Jesus? What do you suppose that means and how did Enoch leave this world?

vooks:
What question?

mbaemeka: When God told Hezekiah to get ready to
die did he consent to the idea or did he seek
otherwise? If you refuse to answer the
question then it is clear that you are the
hooligan trying to project his hooliganism on
those of us who know so much better.

Kenny4lyfe:


This question.

vooks:
Hezekiah prayed. Let me grant you; he NEVER consented to dying from his illness.

Hmmnnn... You caught yourself in the very web you spurned.

Now please indulge me as a new born babe and demonstrate how you move from Hezekiah's not-consenting/disagreement/prayer for healing and God adding him a fixed 15 years to Jesus seeking CONSENT from believers before taking them home, without which they can live forever

Kenny4lyfe:


Hmmnnn... You caught yourself in the very web you spurned.


You answered the above. Providing an answer to the connection shouldn't be a problem as well nah?