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Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 12:42pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: Sorry for my late response cos my vry busy daily schedule makes it difficult to spend quality tym here on nl. Now back to ur post, i want u to know dat i really appreciate d way u hav suddenly metamorphosed into a believer of d Holy Bible's New Testament verses, lol. But i jst hope u did study d entire chapter u quoted completely sha for a better understanding of Apostle Peter's message there. Back to the issue, Apostle Peter, in Acts 2:25-36, did refer to King David as a prophet for d sole reason that David is one of the few men of old to whom d prophecy of d coming of our Lord and . Saviour Jesus Christ was revealed. All these is explained by the Apostle in verses 25-36 of chapt. 2 (Acts). The term 'prophet' there was used by Peter specifically for clarity sake because Peter knows that so much respect n honour is accorded to the David by d Jews; as such he cited d examples of David (amongst others) to prove to d Jews that Jesus is indeed Lord. Furthermore, kindly note that apart frm David, there were other different men(and women) of God in days of old to whom "prophecy" was revealed, but who were NOT prophets still. Prophethood is a calling, however, there were indeed men of old that communed wit God directly & prophecies were directly revealed to them, but are not prophets and were called by God to be (or to serve him) as Judges, Leaders/kings, Priests e.t.c. E.g Gideon (Judges 7:2-, Miriam (Exodus 15:20) and others. So mallam Rilwayne, i still stand by my earlier submission that King was not a prophet; as such, he isnt included in d order of d old Testament Prophets. The prophet that served God during his time & reign was Nathan; alongside Samuel. David's primary call (by God) in life was to be king over Isreal (His people) [1 Samuel 16:1-13]. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 1:04pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree: @empiree, hmm its now clear to me dat u ar nothing bt a confused islamiyya student pretending to be scholar. Its good u called ur e-warriors to assist u because d way u'r going is to say d least, pathetic. All ur long epistles are utter b.s, sorry to say. I dont bliv in ur Quran one bit so anythin u quote frm there makes no sense to me as a christian. Nevertheless, i'v read d Quran myself many tyms over, so i know wot its all abt. Bt because of d respect i hv for oda pple's religious beliefs, i wont want to condemn ur holy book by harshly critiquing it. Peace And congrats on ur self acclaimed victory @empiree (lol). D last tym i checkd i wasnt in any competitn wit u, but to xpose all ur false doctrines here. So winner empiree, congrats for showing us all hw clownish u are, lol; funny dude. Let me add also dat Jesus is God and no body (not even ur nl islamic e-warriors or ur best ulamas) can prove otherwise. So u better concentrate on hw best to repair d damaged reputatn of ur beloved prophet M instead of spreading lies on nl. 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Zags001: 2:24pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Smh. You all have succeeded in altering the submission by arguing about totally different issues from that of the OP. The title of this thread is: The prophet of Allah. So why has the thread been turned into a David/Solomon thread pls? Lets try and get back to the main post pls because thats what most of us here came to read & comment about. Anyone who wants to argue further about something different should kindly open a different thread for that. Now this is the opening post thus; [quote author=haffaze777 post=26773946]Those words that are in bold are the extracted words pertaining to the history of Prophet Muhammad from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Muhammad ibn 'Abdullah (also spelled Mohammed or Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca - June 8, 632 Medina), is the foundation of the religion of Islam and is regarded as Muslims as a mesenger and prophet of God (Arabic: Allah), the last and the greatest law-bearer in a series of prophets. Muslims consider him the restorer of the uncorrupted original monotheistic faith (Islam) of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and other prophets. He was also active as a diploma, merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, reformer, military, general, and, according to Muslim belief, an agent of divine action. It is mentioned above that Prophet Muhammad is regarded to be the messenger and prophet of God, the last and the greatest law-bearer in a series of prophet. As he is the last law-bearer in a series of prophet, it is rational for moderate Muslims to accept that the Holy Quran to be the only source that is reliable for meditation and it is not justifiable for anyone to use the words from other muslims, especially the words from muslim extremists, in replacement of the words from Allah. Born in 570 CE in the Arabian city of Mecca, he was orphaned at a young age and brought up under the care of his uncle Abu Talib. He later worked mostly as a merchant, as well as shepherd, and was first married by age 25. Discontented with life in Mecca, he retreated to a cave in the surrounding mountains for meditation and reflection. According to Islamic beliefs it was here, at age 40, in the month of Ramadan, where he received his first revelation from God. According to Muslim tradition, Muhammad's wife Khadija was the first to believe he was a prophet. She was soon followed by Muhammad's ten-year-old cousin ali ibn Abi Talib, close fiend Abu Bakr, and adopted son Zaid. From the above statements, it is obvious that Prophet Muhammad actively involved in preaching the message of Allah and that caused his wife to be the first to become Muslim. After the conversion to Muslim by his wife, his friend, his close friend and adopted son, were lately to be converted to Muslims as well. At that time when Prophet Muhammad received the revelation from Allah, he did not slaughter his wife, friend and adopted son since they were not Muslims at all in the beginning. Prophet Muhammad was willing to spare his time to reach out to the pagans and that lead to the conversions to muslims one to be followed by another. For instance, if Prophet Muhammad was a selfish and cruel man, he would simply hide the message of Allah from his close firiend and his adopted son without showing mercy to reach out to them so as to patiently wait for their repentance to become muslims since they were not muslims initially at all. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that 'God is One', that complete 'surrender' to him (lit islam) is the only way (din) acceptable to God, and that he himself was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other Islamic prophets. The statement as mentioned above tells us that Prophet Muhammad actively involved in preaching the message of God publicly three years after receiving the revelation from Allah. If Prophet Muhammad was cruel and that Allah's mission for him was to slaughter non-muslims as long as they'd found them, Prophet Muhammad would not spend time to preach to the public since he would began his battle to slaughter all the surrounding pagans. As Prophet Muhammad did not slaughter the pagans immediately after receiving revelation from Allah and yet he began to preach to be public actively, it implies that he is a righteous man that he would not like to see pagans to suffer in the Last Judgment Day and that caused him to begin his mission to preach the message of Allah to be public. Thus, he was indeed merciful to the pagans and he did not want to see pagans to perish during the Last Judgment Day. Muhammad gained few followers early on, and was met with hostility from some Meccan tribes; he and his followers were treated harshly. To escape persecution Muhammad and his followers migrated to Medina (then known as Yathrib) in the year 622 CE. This event, the Hijra, marks the beginning of the Islamic calendar. In Medina, Muhammad united the conflicting tribes, and after eight years of fighting with the Meccan tribes, his folloers, who by then had grown to ten thousand, conquered Mecca. In 632, a few months after returning to Medina from his Farewell pilgrimage, Muhammad fell ill and died. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam; and he united the tribes of Arabia into a single Muslim religious polity. it is mentioned above that Meccan tribes were hostile to Muhammad. As he and his followed were treated harshly by the Mecann tribes and that caused him to trigger off the war against them. From the statement above, it is prudent to support that Prophet Muhammad did not fight initially after receiving the revelation from Allah. Instead, he actively involved in preaching the message of Allah to the pagans. He only fought back when the pagans began to trigger off their battle with him. However, muslim extremists do not like to preach the message of Allah to non-muslims and they want to slaughter them one by one without leaving any mercy and hope for their repentance. The revelations (or Ayat, lit. 'Signs of God') - which Muhammad reported receiving until his death - form the verses of the Qur'an, regarded by Muslims as the 'Word of God' and around which the religion is based. Besides the Qur'an, Muhammad's life (sira) and traditions (sunnah) are also upheld by Muslims. They discuss Muhammad and other prophets of Islam with reverence, adding the phrase peace be upon him whenever their names are mentioned. While conceptions of Muhammad in medieval Christendom and premodern times were largely negative, appraisals in modern times hve been far less so. Besides this, his life and deeds have been debated by followers and opponents over the centuries. .[/quote] @OP, nice compilation there. But i'v got some questions to ask you about him. However, i'l be back with my questions soon if you dont mind. |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Blackfire(m): 3:15pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=26903105]so you mean someone change the word of God?david was a king.did the quran mention the following prohet.elijah,isaiah,jerimaiah,ezekiel,elisha,amos and the rest?[/quote] islam is an egocentric religion, embeded with taaqiya,kitman,myth, lies, and al-illah the moon god 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by malvisguy212: 4:20pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree:i told you to give me verse were this names where written,this are the major prophet of God,why the quran dint mention there names?they are the ones that prophecies the birth of jesus. The verse you qoute is wrong,dont you think it wrong to mention the name of the two sons of abraham? God has no convenant with ishmeal,both the quran and bible prove it. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 8:32pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212:And go up and read over where i replied with those names. Guess you missed that. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 8:47pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Zags001:It's okay sometimes to derail. It's part of life. Op is not complaining anyway. He's enjoying it. But thank you for bringing us back to the Op. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 8:50pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
zemaye: @zemaye pls kindly deactivate ur jolly mood and activate ur serious mood, ok? There are many prophets in the Holy Bible too whom God used mightily and we christians honour them wholeheartedly. However, we DONT KILL FOR OUR PROPHETS OR OUR GOD in the name of so-called respect like u muslims do. So if dats y think christians do not rever or respect their prophets of old (& men of God of old), then so be it. And yes, we humans aint perfect. I guess thats partly what i'v been trying to xplain to dat empiree of a guy who insists that David & Solomon were perfect beings without mistake. King David & King Solomon are both role-models to us christians. We learn alot frm them as men of God and good leaders. One thing i know is that ur prophet muhd was only trying to justify his mistakes while he was alive, by comparing his way of life to that of David & Solomon. But he forgot that David & Solomon never had (or married) infant brides for themselves. Smdh4u y'all. 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 8:52pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth:Sometimes, I think it's a good idea to adopt Rilwayne001's signature in contempt to your post and your likes. This response of yours is very silly. You got caught pant down and looking for cheap way out. You are now boring me. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 8:55pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth:@limamintruth, you have to get over 'sorry, i was in church'. No one cares if you go to brothel. Enough and man up. This is intelligent discussion here. I dont care where you went. Not only you guys derailed Op, you also derailed Nabi Daud and Sulaimon issues by bringing irrelevant stuff after you realized that you losing. I am not fond of debating stuff like this. I long got over with this. Now back to you recent post, you should agree by now that Muslims are correct when they say Bible is not word of God. You had time to proof otherwise. In your response to Rilwayne001, you basically quoted Peter from your Bible. Not God not even Jesus.It's all about Peter said this, Paul said that. In another word, they are the author of your Bible. Good luck pal. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 8:58pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree: And who told u that David & his son Solomon are not isrealites? 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:01pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree: BlaBlaBlaBla you ar free to do wotever pleases u bro. |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:03pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth: All these rantings of yours does'nt rebuff the fact that Peter acknowledge david as a prophet in ACT. One more question Was David a prophet in Judaism or not 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:07pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Even Solomon. |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:08pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree: Yes, i made reference to apostle Peter because ur beloved Rilwayne quoted a biblical verse abt Peter's statement. And you were the one who deviated the OP's post, not me. So blame urself for that. Its obvious u do brothels dats y its the 1st thing u cud think of; issokay. The Holy Bible is not ur business since u dont believe in its content, so kindly concentrate on ur Quran et al. Peace. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 9:12pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
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Re: The Prophet Of Allah by malvisguy212: 9:15pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Empiree:and i say,quran is wrong for mentioning the two sons of abraham,one must be left out,the both cant have the same convenant.when isaac gives his blessing to jacob,and esau pleaded for his blessing,even dough he was bless but it not the same with that of jacob. Muhammad is not a prophet because he has a pagan baground,all God prophet ,non of them has a pagan in there family ONLY MUHAMMAD HAS,WHY? Why will God violate his principle of chosen a prophet by chosen a. man from pagan baground? 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:22pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth: And who told you that David and his so Solomon are not Prophets? Paul 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:23pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: lol, rilwayne d islamic e-warrior. I see empiree seems to be ur nl stdnt so i guess u need to impress him as such. The same biblical passage u quoted has the answer to ur previous questn. I only xplained further in my earlier response tho i know ur heart is alrdy hardened against the truth (typical of all u muslims sha). And are u trying to be smart or wot? Y on earth wud u ask me abt judaism?? I'm a christian and i remain so till end of time. So kindly re-direct ur questn to ur jewish frnd(s) [if u hav any]. |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:26pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212:To mention a few The parents of Abraham are hardcore christians LMAO 3 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:27pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: Hehehehe walahi u are nothing but a clown. why bringing Paul into this now? |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:28pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth: And why on earth would you depend on a judaism scripture to prove the prophecy of jesus 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:29pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth: Okay sorry, who told you 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:30pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:34pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: My source is and will always be the Holy Bible. The old testament u are refering to as judaism scripture is part n parcel of my Holy Bible. Your Quran consist of much of the Torah too, so u are also in a very good position to answer urself. |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 9:37pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
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Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:40pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
limamintruth: Mumu...i said it earlier that you are ignorant of your bible Joshua 24:2 Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, 'From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the River, namely, Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods .'" Guess hardcore xtians are serving other gods LMAO 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:41pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: David was called to be a king over isreal and not a prophet. I explained that in my 1st responding post to u. 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Empiree: 9:41pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212:Isaac's grandpa and most and perhaps all family members were pagans sorry born again Christians . Un-following now. This thread is getting ridiculous unintelligent christian folks 1 Like |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by malvisguy212: 9:43pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001:is that what you can say?abraham father worship the true God including the rest great men.why will God go back and chose someone from a pagan family,not only that,his message contradict the word of God,quran say all prophet were giving a message,were is the message of isaiah? That is were we can find the prophecy of the coming of christ,is'nt it strange that the quran dint mention any of this major prophet? |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by Rilwayne001: 9:46pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
malvisguy212: Another Mumu.. Joshua 24:2 Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, 'From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the River, namely, Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods .'" LMAO 2 Likes |
Re: The Prophet Of Allah by limamintruth: 9:48pm On Oct 06, 2014 |
Rilwayne001: You see, quoting a verse in isolation only shows how desperate u are, lol. It seems ur case is even worst than that of empiree sef because its obvious u are desperately looking for available straws to clutch onto. Anyways, U asked if abraham was a christian and i said yes. So wot does d biblical verse u quoted above got to do wit my answer Stop trying to be smart pls, its disgusting. 1 Like |
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