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Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 1:58pm On Oct 04, 2010 |
InesQor: Hmm! Spot on InesQor, you hit the nail right 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Zikkyy(m): 6:49pm On Oct 04, 2010 |
Joagbaje: It’s good to read you say you give (though I don’t know the nature of giving here). If pastor chris sell off or sow his cars today, he will probably receive 20 times more. Pastor chris cannot enter brt na! As the pastor/c-in-c/ceo of Christ embassy, church members will allow it. Oga Jo, the reason you get another car is simply because of your status as area 2 Likes |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 6:54pm On Oct 04, 2010 |
Zikkyy: 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 7:09pm On Oct 04, 2010 |
lmao!!! Go Zikkyy!!!! 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by aletheia(m): 4:03am On Oct 05, 2010 |
I looked at the videos. Part of the reason why people are so gullible and taken in by these MOGs is the overwhelming ignorance and the fact that most Nigerians are still one or two generations removed from "pagan" practices and as such our thinking is conditioned by this (bearing in mind) that most of these people only have a superficial knowledge of Christ. This conditions how people think: they approach the MOGs healing claims the same way they would approach their village "medicine man". The situation is further compounded by the fact that there are a lot of quacks and poorly trained doctors posing as doctors in Nigeria. For example, looking at the second video and listening to the woman: the woman had a condition known as Shingles. In her case her specific diagnosis would be herpes zoster ophthalmicus (varicella zoster is the virus that causes chicken pox---in her case now affecting the ophthalmic nerve). She subsequently went somewhere where a 'woman' rubbed some herbs on the skin lesions. Of course; this further inflammed the skin and worsened her condition. This was the wrong treatment. If she had consulted a qualified medical practitioner, she would have received the proper treatment. In any case: even without drugs the condition will usually regress and goes away leaving behind some scarring (which is what we saw in the video at the end) but treatment will make it go away faster. Here is likely what happened: Notice that at the onset of the video, she had some substances smeared over the skin lesions (no doubt causing continued skin inflammation). After getting "healed", she would have washed that off and stopped further applications, thereby giving the skin time to recover through its God-given natural healing ability---and hey presto, there's your healing! Now one whould expect based on what we read in the bible that supernatural divine healing would produce a skin as smooth as Naaman's was after being healed of a skin disease; as pristine as that of lepers, healed by the Master's touch, but we see that the woman's forehead remains scarred (there was an attempt to hide this fact, using a low wig), a finding consistent with natural healing processes. Its all a scam, and once in a while these sort of videos are released in order to entrap the gullible. These videos are similar to some posted a while back on this same thread here and here concerning a man who purportedly could not walk due to tuberculosis of the spine. A claim not borne out even by the evidence they provided. 2 Likes |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 6:26am On Oct 05, 2010 |
aletheia: You are simply an unbeliever dude. Just like the Pharisee . Jesus was right about people like you. You take joy in explaining away a divine miracle, you think it's about joagbaje , you are simply blaspheming ,I will get back to you.so what about the second video? |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 7:05am On Oct 05, 2010 |
@Joagbaje: Is there any reason for omitting all the medical details from your quote of Aletheia above? Someone from headquarters is watching your posts and quotes or what? |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 7:08am On Oct 05, 2010 |
I'm sure you're jocking. Altheia medical analysis are junks. There is a difference between miracle and healing. Altheia is spiritually blind. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by aletheia(m): 8:35am On Oct 05, 2010 |
Confusion sets in. First you say it's a divine miracle: Joagbaje: Then change your mind to suggest it is just healing. Joagbaje:^Lame. All divine healings are miracles. Scam artist. so I guess what goes on at CE are not miracles. An example of God healing another man with a skin problem. 2Ki 5:14 Then went he down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God: and his flesh came again like unto the flesh of a little child, and he was clean. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by aletheia(m): 8:37am On Oct 05, 2010 |
^^Part of how you will know the video was scripted is that people don't just walk up to the podium where pastor Chris is. Yet the man just came and "dropped" the woman like that without any of the "bouncers" stopping him! 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 8:48am On Oct 05, 2010 |
aletheia: Yes a healing is a miracle, but for a scar yo disappear is not a healing . It a miracle that is required . We have different kinds of miracle. There is creative miracles, by which body parts are replaced. Process is involved with healing. Healing miracles may include natural healing and medical healing. God heals through all. A real doctor does not deny a miracle. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 8:55am On Oct 05, 2010 |
aletheia: They were schedulled to be ministered to alongdide other people.but the man was impatient feeling the wife would give up because of the deteriorating condition . You could see ushers pulling him away. If it had been scripted, the cameramen would have been ready to catch him when he was dragging her to stage . He took everybody by surprise , because they were scheduled to be prayed for, they were even interviewed. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 9:24am On Oct 05, 2010 |
Joagbaje: Dont worry Jo, when I'm less busy, I'll post a link to a healing school video to show you exactly what aletheia means by 'scripted' 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by siyandaN: 10:22am On Oct 05, 2010 |
Jesus |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 11:09am On Oct 05, 2010 |
siyanda.N: @siyanda.N, God bless you once more for sharing your observation; I hope that many more people will be set free from the evil claws of deception and falsehood in CE. some said I lied when I came up with this thread, but two years down the line, many witnesses are still coming with the same observation. you should be about the third person from CE SA adding credence to my testimony. siyanda.N: My dear, I turned my back to this false doctrine over two years ago, and today, I'm bigger and better. These are all lies and wicked manipulation! I was on phone for over two hours with a dear sister from CE Lagos last night and part of the subject of our discussion were the words in red above. I told her how that many Nigerian churches would establish big branches in big countries whereas back home, they cannot boast of their influence in any other state beyond their headquarters. some of them are in it simply for the money. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by eclear(m): 3:45pm On Oct 05, 2010 |
@ Poster You need faith to get heal when prayed for. A lot of people forgot that or rather did not know that the bible recorded that at a point in time in a particilar village that Jesus could not heal all that were sick because of their unbelif "Mark 6 vs 5. I will asdvice you all to becareful when calling men of God names because its not for you to judge them. Remeber what happen to mariam (moses and Aron's elder sister) whe she doubted moses, Please be careful, |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by mbaemeka(m): 5:19pm On Oct 05, 2010 |
I have never seen a fake 300Naira note in my life and i know why. its because theres no real one. when people see a real thing they'd try to make a fake. so the question is, if the miracles are scripted, please show us the unscripted ones, thats what i thought, you couldnt. Badbelle people! |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by goldenterp(f): 5:23pm On Oct 05, 2010 |
@Siyanda @Sir John Just so you know, there's CE in Angola, Malawi, Zimbabwe, DRC to name a few of countries that are called 'poor' |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by siyandaN: 8:00am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Jesus |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by siyandaN: 8:26am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Jesus |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Kenyan28: 8:35am On Oct 06, 2010 |
nul |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 8:56am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Kenyan 28: @Kenyan 28: Thankfully, we have google translate and I just used it. We dont need interpreters and the time you spend writing in Swahili you could have written what was required of you! All you have been giving on this thread are excuses and reasons for not producing the information and evidence required of you. All the best with your wedding, if that is the truth. 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 8:58am On Oct 06, 2010 |
@siyanda.N I had friends back in University who were staunch CE members so all your gist is very familiar to me. Even at that time, I was in a similar church BUT CE still looked like a cult to me. For that reason I HAVE NEVER stepped into a CE church and I wont. 1 Like |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 9:01am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Kenyan 28: Great to hear from you again, congrats on your healing. Your testimony is a knockout and a big blow to Satan. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 9:05am On Oct 06, 2010 |
InesQor: Big cult, and Jesus is head of this cult, you need to be initiated into this truth |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by siyandaN: 9:10am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Jesus |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 9:11am On Oct 06, 2010 |
@Joagbaje: May God forgive your blasphemy. The exclusivity taught at Christ Embassy is highly unscriptural. "Don't listen to other people's messages". "Never allow a non-CE pastor to minister at the pulpit". "Don't touch non-CE books" All kinds of such-and-such brainwashing. And look at this: siyanda.N:That statement is very sad. Too sad! Another scripture taken out of context as usual!! |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 9:14am On Oct 06, 2010 |
@siyanda.N Don't stress it. We have gone down that path with Joagbaje before. He is one of the head honchos at Christ Embassy so he will defend it even against the light of the Holy Scriptures. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by InesQor(m): 9:22am On Oct 06, 2010 |
Compare the exclusivity and (prideful) conduct taught at Christ Embassy, with this scripture (among many others): Matthew 18:1-5 AT THAT time the disciples came up and asked Jesus, Who then is [really] the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? and in verse 6 the warning from Jesus Christ, who Joagbaje blasphemously calls the head of his boss' cult But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in and acknowledge and cleave to Me to stumble and sin [that is, who entices him or hinders him in right conduct or thought], it would be better (more expedient and profitable or advantageous) for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be sunk in the depth of the seaAnd later some people will ask why many CE members seem to live unrepentant sinful lives, always being in the media for serious crimes and all that; and what God is doing watching them continue. See above! |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 9:56am On Oct 06, 2010 |
siyanda.N: Is it your business where a man goes to hold meeting? Are you the one that call him ? He has gone to Aba 3 or 4 times yet he hasn't been to Calabar which seems to be more developed, A man of God is led of the spirit. Pastor chris has said, he doesn't take pride in touring nations, he would rather be in his studio talking to the entire world.you don't really know pastor chris nor his vision so stop talking childish. Please be advised we are sharing our views, experiences and concerns as people who onec were involved in this CULT. I too when I was still a member of CE defended the church when people tried to question the church. I remember in SA Randburg some members left the church in droves and Ken Oyakhilome came down from USA to try to calm the situation and said that" Those members who left would amount to nothing because you cant leave Christ Embassy and be Something in this life for all the blessing of God at Christ Embassy" That must be a lie, he couldn't have said that. Or rather you quoted him off context. A pastor can't curse people from leaving a church. If any word was spoken negatively, they must have done something terribly wrong. Paul made pronouncements on some people. But not because they left. If a false brethren leaves , the pastor should rather be happy. The sheep are safe. The wolf is gone. I got excited when that was said! But later I realised this is BS. Also at CE they refer to "US" and "THEM". That is why when you leave CE people that are still inside the church cut all ties with you. Becasue they are read this scripture: 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. That may be true for some terrible people , it's scriptural. The bible says not to eat with such or even bid him good speed. But some people may avoid negative people not by pastors recommendation but not wanting to be contaminated. Look I was a member of the church for 5 good years. Everything that I am telling you is true. Members are manipulated but whilst you are still controlled everything I am telling you wont make sense. It never made sense when my parents would question me about the church. we were told that if your family does not support you in the things of God you got to let them go! That's not manipulation , it's scriptural. Two can't walk together except they agree. You vant allow your life to be influenced by, unspiritual people. I almost cut my parents out of my life because they questiones me about the church. Please be advised that my father is a pastor at Assemblies of God, and I had a spirit that I know I got from CE that made me think I knew so much, I was right in everything I said, thought and did when it came to defending the church. We were told that we were world changers, we were going to change the way christianity has always been. I thought wait a minute. Thwe gospel does not change!!!! why must I change it. What I realised was YES the gospel they teach is exciting, fresh, new but is it what God wanted us to know about the gospel. It is the same reason they do not preach REPENTANCE! because we are told to CLAIM righteousness. Meanwhile we were never righteous. It was you that wasn't righteous, righteousness is our nature in christ. If you recognise this , sin will have no dominion over you. You have the ability to do right. Why is it that CE does not invite people from other churches to preach at CE, ask yourself?. Why dont they ever invite other Pastors, If they have something to offer , why not? You don't just invite people. How many minister does deeper life church invite? It is not socialisation my dear. Few people have been invited in time past. Idahosa, his wife, apostle gbenga etc. Of late. We had an america evangelist Mike Babbs , also david chalumba, another american who has a big ministry in zimbabwe Tom Deusche or so. And some others that dont speak english , ive forgotten his name. He uses interpreter. why is it that you are NOT allowed to read other materials by other ministers of God, Why is that you are told to STOCK on Chris material ONLY. You know you are lying now, just because you want to portray your. Cult idea. Pastor chris himself reads other materials, he talks about it. He will only tell us to mind what we read. I have several material from other people. Kenneth hagin, Creflo Dollar, Benny hinn. Katherine khulman, Watchman Nee, Kenyon etc just to name few. Why is it that CHRIS, HIS WIFE, HIS BROTHER , BROTHER'S WIFE, HIS COUSIN, BEST FRIENDS are pastors in that church. - ! Abegii , nothing spoil .Why was Aaron who was who was the elder brother of Moses made high priest , why was Mirian who was elder sister of Moses prophetess. How did James and jude who were junior brothers to christ become apostles . You guys just talk from your carnal mind and think you know something. CULT. We were told to sound LIKE and be like Chris, speak like him. " You lie again. Can you quote any tape where such was taught? We follow our pastor according to truth by the word, but not trying to twist our voices like him. My voice does not sound like his neither my accent . It is a scriptural thing to follow your spiritual head. Ofcourse naturally we can't deny the fact that we may sound alike on occasions , but it's just influence. If you hear a deeper life pastor preaching you should know without introduction, if a Pastor under Adefarasin( house on the rock ) preaches he may sound alike but it's not by learning, it's a natural influence. But nobody ever said . You should sound like pastor chris, you have a personality. Besides pastor christ didn't make himself an icon in speech, he has often said he wish he could shout like some other preachers who have big voices. That is why members at CE like to say "Pastor Chris says That's no big deal. I just quoted some pastor chris says too. No be force. Na me get my mouth. Where Jesus talk, we say Jesus says, where Paul talk we say Paul says, where James talk we say James says. And where pastor chris talk we say pastor chris says. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by Joagbaje(m): 10:21am On Oct 06, 2010 |
InesQor: You are the one blaspheming, calling church of christ cult. Don't listen to other people's messages". ". "Don't touch non-CE books" I challenge you to produce evidence of such teaching. I'm hearing it for the first time. Never allow a non-CE pastor to minister at the pulpit" You guys should stop all these lies. Even if it's true, it's not an issue. Na by force? If You don't have what to offer me , why would I invite you?. But on the contrary as I said in the other post. Several ministers have preached In CEC. Pastor David Chalyumba, Tom duechel ( I miss the spelling) Mike Bab (USA ) one ther evangelist from Ireland . And others that I don't remember their names. Arch bishop idahosa has been invited, his wife has been invited, apostle Genga has been invited. |
Re: The Truth About Christ Embassy Healing School by SirJohn(m): 10:25am On Oct 06, 2010 |
@Joagbaje, This crusade is on and your lies cannot stop it, God will deliver many more out of this bondage called 'christ embassy' 1 Like |
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