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Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by MakeWeTalk: 7:35pm On Dec 18, 2014
My Father is Muslim and my Mother is Christian.
Many atimes my father has beaten my mother and when we complain or my uncles on my mothers side complain my father replies

"You know I am a muslim man and follow the Quo'ran to the letter.
In Islam we are told to beat our wives if she mispleases us"

So I asked my father to explain what he said and he showed me the quo'ran that say's clearly you can beat your wife.

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"

Qur'an (4:34) -
" Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;


So I tried to comfort my mum, when she said "She will not encourage her daughters to marry a Muslim"
[/b]And I asked her why not and [b]she said in her Christianity men are commanded to LOVE THEIR WIVES NOT BEAT


Again I asked for proof and she showed me these in the bible which I checked.

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.


These verses in the bible shocked me.



So brothers please tell me how come our quoran encourages beating our women while the Christians God & Bible says not to beat our wives,


I have even sought teachings on this and all the Imams teach you to beat your wife.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcQTmcgkKA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3b3TpKaly0?t=13s

This is worrying to me, as I wont want my sisters to be beaten by her husband.
So am I agreeing that my sisters should marry a Christian and not a muslim.?


Also why does your bible command you not to beat your wife, while our quoran commands us to beat our wives?


Please sincere answers.

A confused muslim

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by banjicom(m): 7:44pm On Dec 18, 2014
yeah!!!
All nice guys I know are good Christians

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by obisage(m): 7:50pm On Dec 18, 2014
first I want to commend you for saying the truth.

but still, all religions are nothing but confusion, division and self imprisonment.

leave religion and feel inner peace.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by kestolove95(m): 8:06pm On Dec 18, 2014
but y?..d christainity I practice dosnt teach mi to sae bad abt other religion...u ar not a muslim,u a christain lyk mi nd I want u to knw dat u a fake christain....peopl like u dat dnt evn go to church or read d bibble ar d onex dat alwaz cox cinfusion,gt a life respct peopl religion cox xtsinity preaches love nd tolerance..oritsefor followers.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by GboyegaD(m): 8:11pm On Dec 18, 2014
I will suggest you read the entire chapter for better understanding than self picking certain verses.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by chuose: 12:54am On Dec 19, 2014
GboyegaD:
I will suggest you read the entire chapter for better understanding than self picking certain verses.

The Imams preached on it in the videos, even giving advice on how to beat up your wife. cry

So it;s an islamic thing to beatup women. shocked

Even if it's just a word, it's the quoran and it does tell them to jihad their wives undecided

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 7:03am On Dec 19, 2014
@chuose

Even if that is not the meaning, as long as there is beating up in the Qur’an, islam support it. Hmm, if Muslims were to go by your own Interpretation, sincerely I will agree with you that islam is a bad nigga. But fortunately for us, we don't derive our meaning from you.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by chuose: 12:46pm On Dec 19, 2014
ypeace:
@chuose

Even if that is not the meaning, as long as there is beating up in the Qur’an, islam support it. Hmm, if Muslims were to go by your own Interpretation, sincerely I will agree with you that islam is a bad nigga. But fortunately for us, we don't derive our meaning from you.

The imams in the videos are preaching it.

The quoran preaches it.

Moslems do it.

Here is another video that endorses beating women, only in islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNIPbfck3ws

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 1:28pm On Dec 19, 2014
ypeace:
@chuose

Even if that is not the meaning, as long as there is beating up in the Qur’an, islam support it. Hmm, if Muslims were to go by your own Interpretation, sincerely I will agree with you that islam is a bad nigga. But fortunately for us, we don't derive our meaning from you.


The OP @MakeWeTalk (I hope he was honest when he says he is a Muslim because if he is a Christian then I must remind him that Christians are not allowed to lie or deceive as Muslims are allowed to by invoking Al Taqiyya.)

Ypeace you keep on defending Islam even though u have admitted to me in a previous chat that you are still a learner. The OP a Muslim who has become uncomfortable with the command to beat your wives has come out to ask,"why" why this verse and compares it to the christain bible which says love your wife. Yet you say it is misinterpretation.
In fact, the original Classical Arabic meaning is "scourge her" not "beat her" but one of your famous Islamic translators Ali translated it as "beat her" then adds "(lightly)" in bracket on his own accord because he was uncomfortable with the verse. Let me show you other verses in the Qu'ran and authentic haddiths about beating women and raping MARRIED female slaves;

Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Sahih Muslim 8:3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i.e., they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

Quran 4:34:
" Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Stop living in denial and face the truth of the falsehood of Islam.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 9:03am On Dec 20, 2014
[quote author=Ifeann post=29021747

Stop living in denial and face the truth of the falsehood of Islam. [/quote]

I am not living in denial. And what I meant by still learning is, I can't speak much about some aspect of Islam I haven't learnt about. You seem to use that to measure my level of ignorance rather than knowledge and assume you already know much more than me. That's the way I see it as you keep reminding me I told you I am learning.

Let me illustrate on what I meant by perspective. You know some Christians say Jesus equals God but Jesus himself said my father is greater than I. Now I don't really know how they interpret that, but for them to still hold on to the believe that Jesus equals God, they probably have given preference to other verses which stated otherwise. Then use their preferred verse to interpret this.

In the Qur’an, we are asked to pray 5 times a day, the number of rakkah is not stated in the Qur’an but then almost all Muslims would pray 2 rakkah in subh. This is because we interpret the Qur’an in the boundary of what muhammed (saw) did.

About slaves, I don't know much about rules guiding slavery in Islam. So I can't speak much on that.

Have you listened to tafsir of the quran from a muslim before?

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 10:24am On Dec 20, 2014
chuose:


The imams in the videos are preaching it.

The quoran preaches it.

Moslems do it.

Here is another video that endorses beating women, only in islam


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNIPbfck3ws

We can't discuss much if you assume that
1 . what all what Iman preaches is what I believe.
2. That it is what you think I believe, I believe.
3. That whatever muslims do or say is what I will do and say.

I short you aren't explaining things to me with what I believe, you are explaining it to me using what you think I believe.

I haven't watched the video but will try to when I have a good network service.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 4:12pm On Dec 20, 2014
[quote author=ypeace post=29043042][/quote]

I would love to explain about the deity of Jesus if you like you can PM(email) me questions or you can create a topic and Christians, myself included will explain it further because it is a whole topic on its own.

However, the focus here is on Islam since you are not convinced about its falsehood. So read what I have to say carefully;

You say,"In the Qur’an, we are asked to pray 5 times a day, the number of rakkah is not stated in the Qur’an but then almost all Muslims would pray 2 rakkah in subh. This is because we interpret the Qur’an in the boundary of what muhammed (saw) did."

You are very right about this statement. And to interpret the Qur’an in the boundary of what muhammed did you have to turn to the authentic hadiths, not any kind of hadith. Now, I will turn to 2 very important hadiths (Muslim and burhari) so as to enlighten you on slavery since you said,"About slaves, I don't know much about rules guiding slavery in Islam. So I can't speak much on that."

Bukhari (52:255)- The slave who accepts Islam and continues serving his Muslim master will receive a double reward in heaven.

Bukhari (41.598)- Slaves are property. They cannot be freed if an owner has outstanding debt, but can be used to pay off the debt.

Bukhari (62:137)- An account of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about coitus interruptus.

Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).

Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.

Bukhari (72:734)- Some contemporary Muslims in the West, where slavery is believed to be a horrible crime, are reluctant to believe that Muhammad owned slaves. This is just one of many places in the Hadith where a reference is made to a human being owned by Muhammad. In this case, the slave is of African descent.

Muslim 3901- Muhammad trades away two black slaves for one Muslim slave.

Muslim 4112- A man freed six slaves on the event of his death, but Muhammad reversed the emancipation and kept four in slavery to himself. He cast lots to determine which two to free.

Bukhari (47:743)- Muhammad's own pulpit - from which he preached Islam - was built with slave labor on his command.

Bukhari (59:637)-"The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated Ali, and Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid,'Don't you see this (i.e. Ali)?'When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said,'O Buraida! Do you hate Ali?'I said,'Yes.'He said,'Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.'" Muhammad approved of his men having sex with slaves, as this episode involving his son-in-law, Ali, clearly proves. This hadith refutes the modern apologists who pretend that slaves were really"wives,"since Muhammad had forbidden Ali from marrying another woman as long as Fatima (his favorite daughter) was living.

Now you may not agree with the summary of the hadiths so I shall now present you the passages of you qu'ran

Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Even sex with married slaves is permissible.

Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"

Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

See also Qur'an (70:29-30). The Quran is a small book, so if Allah used valuable space to repeat the same point four times, then sex slavery must be very important to him.

Qur'an (24:32)-"And marry those among you who are single and those who are fit among your male slaves and your female slaves..." Breeding slaves based on fitness.
Qur'an (2:178)-"O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female." The message of this verse, which prescribes the rules of retaliation for murder, is that all humans arenotcreated equal. The human value of a slave is less than that of a free person (and a woman's worth is also distinguished from that of a man's)

NOW let's compare it with the BIBLE, the true inspired word of God.

Galatians 3:28p
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond(slave) nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 12:13:"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond(slave) or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Colossians 3:11:"Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond(slave) nor free: but Christ is all, and in all."

Do you notice how often SEX, WOMEN, SLAVE, CAPTIVE, FIGHT, SWORD, SLAY, PUNISH, REWARD, appears in your Qu'ran and hadiths.. Please think about it. Get a bible start from Mathew, mark, Luke and John (the new covenant we live under) and see if you see such.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 5:41pm On Dec 20, 2014
Ifeann

Do you notice how often SEX, WOMEN, SLAVE, CAPTIVE, FIGHT, SWORD, SLAY, PUNISH, REWARD, appears in your Qu'ran and hadiths.. Please think about it. Get a bible start from Mathew, mark, Luke and John (the new covenant we live under) and see if you see such.


Yea I noticed before you state it. You remember our discussion started from where I asked a question who is missing the point of the discussion. And there you quoted a whole lot of verses on killing. We are not through with that you quoted about slavery and then you moved to quoting from the Bible ............ Yea I agree, these are issues you have with islam. Don't you think we are supposed to finish with one before jumping to another?

What I meant is let's finish with an issue. We were discussing killing, if you feel there is nothing much to discuss on that, then slavery which I can give you sources if you care because I don't have enough islamic knowledge on that. Also if what you will like is questions and answers on Christianity then............. All I am after is let's have a focus. Not jumping from one topic to another. Peace

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ooman(m): 5:45pm On Dec 20, 2014
Ifeann:


Do you notice how often SEX, WOMEN, SLAVE, CAPTIVE, FIGHT, SWORD, SLAY, PUNISH, REWARD, appears in your Qu'ran and hadiths.. Please think about it. Get a bible start from Mathew, mark, Luke and John (the new covenant we live under) and see if you see such.

Let him actually start from the beginning - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy and let see if he won't see such.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 6:13pm On Dec 20, 2014
ypeace:
Ifeann

Do you notice how often SEX, WOMEN, SLAVE, CAPTIVE, FIGHT, SWORD, SLAY, PUNISH, REWARD, appears in your Qu'ran and hadiths.. Please think about it. Get a bible start from Mathew, mark, Luke and John (the new covenant we live under) and see if you see such.


Yea I noticed before you state it. You remember our discussion started from where I asked a question who is missing the point of the discussion. And there you quoted a whole lot of verses on killing. We are not through with that you quoted about slavery and then you moved to quoting from the Bible ............ Yea I agree, these are issues you have with islam. Don't you think we are supposed to finish with one before jumping to another?

What I meant is let's finish with an issue. We were discussing killing, if you feel there is nothing much to discuss on that, then slavery which I can give you sources if you care because I don't have enough islamic knowledge on that. Also if what you will like is questions and answers on Christianity then............. All I am after is let's have a focus. Not jumping from one topic to another. Peace

There are so many issues and they are related that's why I bring them up and compare with Christianity,

If u want use to stay on killing for now let's say on it then.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by usermane(m): 7:41pm On Dec 20, 2014
MakeWeTalk:
Also why does your bible command you not to beat your wife, while our quoran commands us to beat our wives?

Please sincere answers.

Good day. The Qur'an doesn't permit men to beat their wives. It is poor translation and interpretation that lead the orthodox clerics to sanction wife beating. OP, i opened a thread in Islam section discussing this matter last week and concentrating on clearing the misconceptions but Islam section agents deleted the thread and sent me this;

"Banned by a moderator in Islam for Muslims for Breaking rule 1 consistently with your antiIslamic dogma. Ban expires on 6:44am On Jan 09, 2015"


Watch the video below attentively, the speaker delved into linguistic and contextual analysis of Qur'an 4:34 and proves that Qur'an doesn't sanction wife beating.

The Quran: A Monotheist Translation

Chapter 4 V 34
The men are to support the women with what God has bestowed upon them over one another and for what they spend of their money. The upright females are dutiful; keeping private the personal matters for what God keeps watch over. As for those females from whom you fear desertion, then you shall advise them, and abandon them in the bedchamber, and separate from them. If they respond to you, then do not seek a way over them; God is Most High, Great.

I invite you to these sites; http://www.quranicpath.com/quranicpath/index.html
http://www.quran-islam.org/home_%28P1%29.html
http://free-minds.org/forum/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ij5bajPyC8

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 9:29pm On Dec 20, 2014
Ifeann:


There are so many issues and they are related that's why I bring them up and compare with Christianity,

If u want use to stay on killing for now let's say on it then.

If I am correct I asked a question because I feel your stance on killing is, not matter what, killing is bad. You stated that my question is based on assumptions, OK now I will rephrase it, as a christain, do you support Nigeria army killing boko haram? As a muslim, I support Nigeria army killing boko haram as a muslim though I don't support some of the non constitutional and non islamic way they use sometimes. So I will like to know your stance on killing relating to this.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 9:34pm On Dec 20, 2014
ooman:


Let him actually start from the beginning - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy and let see if he won't see such.

I saw that too, but please that is not the focus for now. Let's take them one by one. May God guide us right.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 11:21pm On Dec 20, 2014
ypeace:


If I am correct I asked a question because I feel your stance on killing is, not matter what, killing is bad. You stated that my question is based on assumptions, OK now I will rephrase it, as a christain, do you support Nigeria army killing boko haram? As a muslim, I support Nigeria army killing boko haram as a muslim though I don't support some of the non constitutional and non islamic way they use sometimes. So I will like to know your stance on killing relating to this.

I don't know what this has to do with our discussion on Islam but I shall answer anyway.

I don't agree with taking human life,
I am against any form of abortion unless the mothers life is in valid danger. I am against capital punishment. I don't believe in killing a murderer.

I will not join the army for any reason.
It hurts me when innocent Muslims and these young boko haram boys in the north are killed because it could all have been prevented if these young guys were not exposed to some of the qu'ran verses I have mentioned.
I hope I have answered your question.

What's your next one.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 11:41pm On Dec 20, 2014
Ifeann:


I don't know what this has to do with our discussion on Islam but I shall answer anyway.

I don't agree with taking human life,
I am against any form of abortion unless the mothers life is in valid danger. I am against capital punishment. I don't believe in killing a murderer.

I will not join the army for any reason.
It hurts me when innocent Muslims and these young boko haram boys in the north are killed because it could all have been prevented if these young guys were not exposed to some of the qu'ran verses I have mentioned.
I hope I have answered your question.

What's your next one.

What I can derive from your statement is even if boko haram should continue to kill us, we should ......................... Please what solution does your believe prescribe to this?

Then, those judge who sentenced a boko haram to death and those army defending the life and properties of Nigerians are committing a sin by killing boko right?


Even though that is what I can infer from your statement, I would like you to confirm if my deductions are right.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 11:41pm On Dec 20, 2014
ooman:


Let him actually start from the beginning - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy and let see if he won't see such.

I told @ypeace to start from the new testament so she can understand the true God's new covenant with believers by the sacrifices of our Lord Jesus . I can also direct ypeace to the old testament so she can see the prophecies about the coming of the messiah to affirm the new testaments validity.
Ypeace is a Muslim so she believes the old testament or torah is the inspired word of God, modern day Muslims actually have a problem with the injeel/new testament and not the torah, though their prophet had no issue with either one as I have presented to her from her book in our previous chat and I will present to her/him again;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

I still don't know why atheists such as yourself and Muslims keep attacking Christianity.

GOd is the greatest and all powerful, all merciful and all loving. His people can never be subdued no matter the prosecution from atheists and jizyah tax payments to Muslims. Truth will prevail and conquer darkness no matter the cunning and deceit of falsehood

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 11:51pm On Dec 20, 2014
ypeace:


What I can derive from your statement is even if boko haram should continue to kill us, we should ......................... Please what solution does your believe prescribe to this?

Then, those judge who sentenced a boko haram to death and those army defending the life and properties of Nigerians are committing a sin by killing boko right?


Even though that is what I can infer from your statement, I would like you to confirm if my deductions are right.

I still don't understand what this has to do with our topic on Islam.
If Islam was not on earth you and I won't be discussing boko haram.

Yes I am against murder and won't commit it. I am against owning a gun or any thing that involves taking precious human life.

Notwithstanding, I support our army for putting their life at risk to protect the north from itself but would prefer if the solution is NOT murder as America has done with the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban, and the Israeli army with the Palestinians. Am I not clear enough. Murder and killing only begets more murder and killing. This is my stance on the issue. What more do you want from me my friend.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by asalimpo(m): 12:00am On Dec 21, 2014
Ifeann:


I don't know what this has to do with our discussion on Islam but I shall answer anyway.

I don't agree with taking human life,
I am against any form of abortion unless the mothers life is in valid danger. I am against capital punishment. I don't believe in killing a murderer.

I will not join the army for any reason.
It hurts me when innocent Muslims and these young boko haram boys in the north are killed because it could all have been prevented if these young guys were not exposed to some of the qu'ran verses I have mentioned.
I hope I have answered your question.

What's your next one.

this is empty humanitarianism.
Sometimes human life has to b taken for d betterment of society in general.
A willful murderer shud b killed to pay d life/lives he has destroyed.
This is morally and spiritually right.
If there were no army in a country how would tht country b safe for its citizens?

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by ypeace: 12:06am On Dec 21, 2014
Ifeann:


I told @ypeace to start from the new testament so she can understand the true God's new covenant with believers by the sacrifices of our Lord Jesus . I can also direct ypeace to the old testament so she can see the prophecies about the coming of the messiah to affirm the new testaments validity.
Ypeace is a Muslim so she believes the old testament or torah is the inspired word of God, modern day Muslims actually have a problem with the injeel/new testament and not the torah, though their prophet had no issue with either one as I have presented to her from her book in our previous chat and I will present to her/him again;

1. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah 3:3).
2. If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

I still don't know why atheists such as yourself and Muslims keep attacking Christianity.

GOd is the greatest and all powerful, all merciful and all loving. His people can never be subdued no matter the prosecution from atheists and jizyah tax payments to Muslims. Truth will prevail and conquer darkness no matter the cunning and deceit of falsehood

This is not the trend we were discussing on. How did we land here. I am not a she. I am a male.
How did you deduct I believe in the bible both old and NT? Please don't assume I belief something. Atleast ask.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 1:46am On Dec 21, 2014
ypeace:


This is not the trend we were discussing on. How did we land here. I am not a she. I am a male.
How did you deduct I believe in the bible both old and NT? Please don't assume I belief something. Atleast ask.

Your qu'ran and prophet affirms the validity of the torah and injeel as I have proved by quoting 2 verse and their is another. Read your Book. If you choose to disagree with your Quran that's you cup of tea

Sorry I referred to you as a she. Pronouns can get tricky when u don't know the sex of someone u're chatting with.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Ifeann(f): 1:53am On Dec 21, 2014
asalimpo:


this is empty humanitarianism.
Sometimes human life has to b taken for d betterment of society in general.
A willful murderer shud b killed to pay d life/lives he has destroyed.
This is morally and spiritually right.
If there were no army in a country how would tht country b safe for its citizens?

That's your rightful opinion. I prefer the 5th commandment, "thou shall not kill". Some people argue it is actually thou shall not murder. Until am sure I will stick with "not kill"

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by jonglexer: 6:21am On Dec 21, 2014
we don't because we are christ's representatives...#caseclosed

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Jerrick(m): 6:22am On Dec 21, 2014
...because we got punching bag(s) at home, we don't beat our wives. grin
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by lionduke(m): 6:23am On Dec 21, 2014
blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called the sons of God.
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by holatin(m): 6:23am On Dec 21, 2014
Firstly I marvel at the amount of ogogoro the mod that transfer this to front page must Ve been under without him changing the title.

And you know nairaland to be a place, religion fanatic will say anything to rubbish a religion different from them.


The verse you mentioned has been greatly misconceived
by many people who focus merely on its surface
meaning, taking it to allow wife beating. When the
setting is not taken into account, it isolates the words in
a way that distorts or falsifies the original meaning.
Before dealing with the issue of wife-battering in the
perspective of Islam, we should keep in mind that the
original Arabic wording of the Holy Quran is the only
authentic source of meaning. If one relies on the
translation alone, one is likely to misunderstand it

"According to Quran the relationship between the
husband and wife should be based on mutual love and
kindness. Allah says: "And among His Signs is this, that
He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye
may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love
and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs
for those who reflect." (Quran: Ar-Rum 21)
The Holy Quran urges husbands to treat their wives with
kindness. (In the event of a family dispute, Quran
exhorts the husband to treat his wife kindly and not to
overlook her positive aspects). Allah Almighty says:
“Live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If
ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a
thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of
good.” (Quran: An-Nisaa 19)

As to those women on whose part
you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them
(first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat
them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not
against them means (of annoyance); for Allah is most
High and Great (above you all). If you fear a breach
between them twain, appoint (two) arbiters, one from his
family and the other from hers. If they wish for peace,
Allah will cause their reconciliation; for Allah has full
knowledge and is acquainted with all things." (Quran:
An-Nisaa 34-35)
It is important to read the section fully. One should not
take part of the verse and use it to justify one's own
misconduct. This verse neither permits violence nor
condones it. It guides us to ways to handle delicate
family situation with care and wisdom. The word
"beating" is used in the verse, but it does not mean
"physical abuse". The Prophet (p.b.u.h.) explained it
"dharban ghayra mubarrih" which means "a light tap that
leaves no mark". He further said that face must be
avoided. Some other scholars are of the view that it is
no more than a light touch by siwak, or toothbrush.




TELL ME HOW A TAP COULD BE CALLED BEATING.

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Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by Agimor(m): 6:23am On Dec 21, 2014
Is that an advise or you are trying to phantom something!
Re: Christians, Why Don't You Beat Your Wives Like We Muslims Do? by SeverusSnape(m): 6:23am On Dec 21, 2014
Normally, Christians are not violent folks.

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