ogiste:
Igbos may know much about ur origin than you do anybody in the world can know ur tribe than you do. 1817 was when yoruba orthography was written not by yoruba people not in yoruba land Edward Bowdich in Ghana in Ashante. Ajayi crowther was trained by hannah kilham in freetown. The first iwe iroyin in Yorubaland was writting by henry townsend iwe iroyin fun awon Egba ati Yoruba 1859. It was the help of his teachers succeeded him to translate bible John Raban and Gollmer. We are all here to learn in one way or another not to use abusive words pls. Either igbo or Hausa Fulani they can what we don't know knowledge is every where that's why Yoruba says omode gbon agba gbon la fi da ile ife. Ese ifa says iwa nikan lo soro/2x ori ki i buru lotu ife. Omo Yoruba ni wa awa la ni iwa omo o du du iwa ni wa. Omo olodu iwa. Tiwa lasa tiwa ni isese omoluabi. È seun pupo.

rexbuton:
Good post.. Here is the next step..

1. Ask the Fulanis to leave quietly because when Nigeria has entered it's period of turmoil (probably after Buhari dies), Ilorin will be used as a base to launch attacks on the West. And with the Igbos attacking from the Lagoon, no army can fight on two fronts

2. Yorubas should accept the fact that they can never be accepted as true muslims, hence they should all turn to Christ who is the surest and only way to salvation. This way the Fulani will be alienated and leave. Personally I think fulani incursions into the middlebelt should be checked in order not to be caught unawares

3. Arrange a referendum in which people be made to vote for the scrapping of the Emir title. TINUBU can easily swing this.. oh I almost forgot, Tinubu has a religion too... *thinking*

4. Ignore this message and watch Badagry (in Lagos) turned into Baga in a few years

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Demmzy15:
Emir is just a rough name of 'Amir' in Arabic, it means a 'leader'. So it's the influence of Islam not Fulani, Islam wasn't brought to yoruba land by the Fulanis but by the influence of the 'Songhai' empire in Mali. Yoruba Muslims have existed 100s of years before the birth of Uthman bin Foodee(Dan Fodio). So people claiming the Fulanis forced Islam on Yorubas is a big lie!

tomakint:

Can you refer me to the literature that revealed this info to you?

Demmzy15:

Which info?

macof:


The info in ur last post

omonnakoda:

Why are we so sure that other Obas are indeed Yoruba.? Once again what does Yoruba mean . People who cling on to that concept have no understanding or a distorted understanding of history . To create empire you gain somethings and you lose others. Genetically I suspect that many people who we know as Yoruba are indeed Tapa or Hausa slave descendants who dissolved into the Oyo empire. The Oyos themselves are distinct from Ekiti and Ijebu. Finally Oduduwa came into Yorubaland from outside established a dynasty and rewrote history. The story of Oduduwa is no different from Alimi if we analyse it properly. Oduduwa was not a indigene.But then who did Oduduwa marry and his children after him. The queen of England is of German ancestry German . This is how kings come about ,they have to lay some claim of superiority of difference

Hobashola:
ok. we don hear ooo. I am a full-fledged Ilorin boy and i know that the only Fulani thing in Ilorin is the Emir's turban. even d emir no dey form Fulani man. I have never even heard him or his chiefs speak Fulani. I doubt if they understand the language sef. Meanwhile,people who are not here go dey use pcm for our headache. abeg leave us oooo. we didn't have a choice on what happened centuries ago. And really,what will depicting Ilorin as either Fulani or Yoruba change,eh? abeg,make everybody face better things jare.

Dollyak:
If you are a Yoruba then you are a gullible person who has lost his sense of being. How can you be comfortable with being ruled by a fulani? I have read many historical facts on past wars in Nigeria and I can only conclude Kwara people to be a coward, betrayals and shortsighted people. Fools deserve their leaders seems appropriate with you lots especially with saraki. Fools are easily dismissive of their history, same thing i keep telling my African American/British friends about white people.

Amoto94:
Hatemonger and e-bigot go and find something better to do with your frustrated life instead of fanning the ember of hate across NL. You ought to be promoting love, harmony and peaceful coexistence instead of otherwise.

Amoto94:
Hatemonger and e-bigot go and find something better to do with your frustrated life instead of fanning the ember of hate across NL. You ought to be promoting love, harmony and peaceful coexistence instead of otherwise.

pazienza:
The loss of Ilorin must be painful to the SW Yorubas, while the Ilorin people themselves, seem not to care, I can relate to the pain of the SW Yorubas, I pray that one day, they will be able to unite the whole of Yoruba speaking people, from Kwara and Kogi, and even the Itsekiris, if they permit.

Nothing is sweeter than for Brothers and sisters to dwell together, I envy monoethnic countries like Germany,Korea and Japan, it must be a great feeling sharing same country with just people from your ethnic language only, you can go to any part of the country and speak your local lect confident that everyone understands you.

Dollyak:

Frustrated life you said . When you are treated equally instead of being second class citizens to fulani then come back and talk about the definition of frustrated life. I don't hide my feelings about fulanis and any attempt to liberate Yorubas from fulanis brainwashing is welcome by me. You guys are the ones leading a frustrated life and you are not liberated either. What a shame. Perhaps because I have read enough stories about Yoruba to know we should have been a lot greater than this. Old SW led by awolowo was competing with Egypt in terms of development. Now they are being sucked dry. Massive injustice that kaduna gets more allocation than Oyo state.
Save your preaching for someone else.

Amoto94:
I'm not a Yoruba or a Fulani mind you but I'm a Nigerian that eschews tribal bigotry. That being said Yorubas in Ilorin are faring better than the ones in some other states. As for SW booming during Awo's era this was before the civil war, after the civil war things changed in quick succession and this continued up on till this day due to short-sightedness of some Nigerian leaders and followers. Fulanis didn't shortchange the Yorubas blame it on the likes of Adedibu, Olubadan, Olu Falae, Bode George, OBJ (seems unfair) and others I can't remember their names

lawani:


There are no Fulani in Ilorin. No Fulani Jihad ever took Ilorin, Bariba or Nupe south of the Niger. Educate yourself. Only Nupe North of the Niger fell under the Jihad. Yoruba North of the Niger have Obas. Please go and read and stop displaying your ignorance. The Ilorin Emir's name is Gambari which means Hausa and not Fulani, his forebears were Imams. The last Afonja Oba of Ilorin died in 1895 and Ilorin was signed under British protection by a descendant of Alaafin Abiodun. The only Ilorin chief of part Fulani ancestry is the Balogun Fulani and I am not more Yoruba than that chief.

Amoto94:
Did I say Fulani jihad took place in Ilorin? Never! Ilorin is a Yoruba city right from the onset and controlled by Obas

lawani:


I had to point that out to you. Some Yoruba were put in the North. A Fulani person was controlling the ruling NPC while the Yoruba controlled the opposition. So the NPC used their influence to instal an Emir in Ilorin since the Governor of the North then was a Muslim Fulani supremacist. He couldnt instal a Yoruba of part Fulani ancestry, so he installed one of part Hausa ancestry to spite his opponents who were Yoruba in the AG. So when Alhaji Mohammed Lawal an Afonja scion became elected Governor of Kwara state, he promoted the Aare Afonja to 1st class to equal the Emir and the move was reversed by Gov Saraki when he became Governor, the Ajikobi family who are custodians of the British protection agreement also remain disgruntled as they see themselves as the rightful Olu of Ilorin.

The problem we have is that of mutual suspicion and lack of cohesion so rather than continue with that, breakup the country into units where they understand themselves and have a uniform culture where interests can be more easily alligned. There are good and bad people everywhere. So let the Hausa Fulani go and manage themselves and allies while the Yoruba, Igbo and etc also go and do thesame.

lawani:


I had to point that out to you. Some Yoruba were put in the North. A Fulani person was controlling the ruling NPC while the Yoruba controlled the opposition. So the NPC used their influence to instal an Emir in Ilorin since the Governor of the North then was a Muslim Fulani supremacist. He couldnt instal a Yoruba of part Fulani ancestry, so he installed one of part Hausa ancestry to spite his opponents who were Yoruba in the AG. So when Alhaji Mohammed Lawal an Afonja scion became elected Governor of Kwara state, he promoted the Aare Afonja to 1st class to equal the Emir and the move was reversed by Gov Saraki when he became Governor, the Ajikobi family who are custodians of the British protection agreement also remain disgruntled as they see themselves as the rightful Olu of Ilorin.

The problem we have is that of mutual suspicion and lack of cohesion so rather than continue with that, breakup the country into units where they understand themselves and have a uniform culture where interests can be more easily alligned. There are good and bad people everywhere. So let the Hausa Fulani go and manage themselves and allies while the Yoruba, Igbo and etc also go and do thesame.

Amoto94:
You think merging people with similar cultures to form a country will solve our problems in the absence of justice? Why were there wars between Yorubas with different dialects in the past? Why is South Sudan currently embroiled in civil war? Why is there civil war in Syria despite they being majorly Arabs? Why did Ijaws and Itsekiri fought in Delta State.
My suggestion is for us to work towards having a just and fair society regardless of tribe and religion, instead of disintegration.

lawani:


You have made a very good observation, a most intelligent one but what language would you suggest be used in such a country and if such a country is a theocracy, how should the God be rendered? There are people already in West Africa whose first or second language is Yoruba who have essentially thesame concept of God and thesame kind of societal organisation as the Yoruba. I believe it is better for such a group to emerge as a nation.

The word Yoruba is new but Ile kaaro o jiire is not new, Ife is not new, the Yoruba language is not new. People defined by any one or more of these are thesame, they dont feel superior to each other or other human beings, they can work together easily. So Yoruba have been one even though they fought themselves in the past, tongue and teeth fight, brothers fight, disagreements are part of the human culture but allignment along the path of language and culture is beautiful and is the best. So far Germans, French, Spanish; Russians and Italians are not one nation, no reason for Nigeria to be a nation, moreso that it has failed. However, West Africa and even the whole globe can be a trading bloc like the EU.

Amoto94:
A more workable system to address this problem is reverting back to the system in play during the first republic with some twists. What we presently have is a patronage system. Adopting the EU system won't work as our case is a unique and different one.

lawani:


I am not saying Nigeria should adopt the EU system, I mean for West Africa and possibly the world, Nigeria should be buried since it has failed. Let Igbos, Yoruba, Hausa and etc stand alone or with allies in real nations with African languages in official status used in their parliaments and in schools with English and others, let those viable nations stand alone as sovereign nations and develop their space as neighbours to each other under the moderation of the United Nations.

Amoto94:
It means redrawing the map of Africa. The idea seems good but remember that majority of people with same culture have been cut off from each other for quite some time now. Another point worthy of note is the influence of powers that be in global arena, will they not rubbish this idea and throw in the trash can?