malvisguy212:
who was Jesus grandfather? You cannot answer my question on "who was the father of Jesus" now you are asking about his grandfather?

Was jesus a descendant of David or not?

Please don't tell me nonsense here. Answer the question straight

Rilwayne001:


Was jesus a descendant of David or not?

Please don't tell me nonsense here. Answer the question straight

by legal right he was, through Joseph, but he was not the biological father of Joseph.

EzioAuditore:


You claimed Allah was a pagan god, I asked for similarities, you had none.as to the second part of your question, that just proves you have no idea how the concept of heaven works. Now can you answer my question already? Stop trying to rope a dope as usual.

A.–Allah was one of gods worships in
Mecca before Mohammed wrapped it in
the image of Yahweh the God of the Jews
and Christians. This is from the testimony
of the Quran and Hadiths
B.– Black stones was worship and
reverence as a god among the pantheons
of Mecca before Islam
C.–Converts are made by force of sward
not persuasion and reasoning. Corner
stone of Ka’aba the cube shrine of Allah
was an idol and has nothing to do with
Gabriel Abraham and Ishmael building it
D.–Divining arrows were used to decide
the faith of Mohammed‘s father Abdulah
– the slave of Allah in ka’aba and
demons are disciples Allah through the
preaching of Quran. Wonderful!
E.–Examine every scripture whether
Jewish or Christian in the light of what
the Quran says any thing outside that is
false and anyone who leaves Islam kill
him. Is it not satanic?
F.– Faith must be exercised on one Idol-
Allah only and not any other. Fight for
him and his apostle to be sure of
heaven. Can you believe this?
G.–Goddess associated with Allah like al-
lat, al-luza and Ma’nat must be
destroyed. Does it mater I if you worship
one Idol or many idols?
H.–Hub bal the senior idol of kaa’ba must
submit to Allah the supreme rock god of
the kuraish the tribe of Mohammed.
Hatred of all mankind is the major creed
of the cult.
I.–Islam a religion of submission of all
idols, jinns and humans to Allah the
supreme rock god of the Kuraish tribe of
Mecca of Saudi Arabia, Under the Arab
imperialism.
J.–Jinns and demons profess Koran and
Islam to be their religion. Can you
believe this to be godly religion?
K.– Knowledge of other religions like
Judaism and Christianity is enmity to
Islam. You must remain ignorant of these
true faith to remain loyal to Islam.
L.–Lives are to be sacrificed in fighting for
Allah to guarantee paradise with Allah.
One of the unwritten but the greatest
Pillar of Islam.
M.–Mohammed is the sole massager and
partner of Allah, unlike the God of the
Jews and Christians who has many
prophets and Massagers to direct
mankind to him with Jesus as the last
and the final Messiah and Saviour.
N.– No freedom or right to question the
stupidity of Allah compared to the True
God of the Universe.
O.– Obedient to the cult ritual belief
system is the supreme command and
has nothing to do with morality or being
humanistic
P.-Partnership with Allah the supreme
Idol or personal relationship is forbidden
except Mohammed the chief priest.
Q.-Quran the recitals of this idol call
Allah was collated into a book from the
oral tradition of many years after the
death of its principal recital general, and
the chief poet of the cult religion.
R.–Remember the Ramadan the holy
month of the pagan to keep it holy, is
one of the five pillars.
S.–Satan circulates in human like blood.
Make sure his recitals agree with that of
Allah the supreme rock god. Stealing is
forbidden but not against unbelievers
because their wealth are yours by right.
can you believe this?
T.–Turn towards Kaa’ba when you pray
because that is the dwelling place of
Allah and will not hear you if turn to any
other direction because he is not
everywhere and cannot hear from any
direction.
U.– Unbeliever in this cult belief system
must be killed and wipe out to the last
because Allah hate them
V.–Virgins are waiting for the martyrs and
believer for real treat in bed-mastics and
heavenly wine to cool down if they are
killed in the art of terrorism or die as the
faithful of Allah and Mohammed his
Partner.
W.–Wine should not be taken while here
on earth or else you will not be allow to
drink in Allah’s paradise.
X.–Xerox the life of Mohammed and
practice it and you will be in Allah,
Paradise. Remember the assassinations.
Rapping of slave girls, the adultery,
slaughtering of the Jews, Christians, the
polygamy and the war against all
unbelievers, these are principles most
holy.
Y.–Yield your brain to the teaching of
Quran only. No any other knowledge is
necessary and remained ignorant.
Z.–Zip up your month and closed your
eyes to all the evil in Islam. You must not
question or leave but believing and the
garden shall be yours. That is summary
of cult/paganism of Islam. Rebuttal
awaited if you want reference I can give
you.
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/112-mohammad/322-the-quran-confesses-allah-was-a-pagan-god-before-islam.html

malvisguy212:
by legal right he was, through Joseph, but he was not the biological father of Joseph.

What do you mean by legal right?

malvisguy212:
[s] A.–Allah was one of gods worships in
Mecca before Mohammed wrapped it in
the image of Yahweh the God of the Jews
and Christians. This is from the testimony
of the Quran and Hadiths
B.– Black stones was worship and
reverence as a god among the pantheons
of Mecca before Islam
C.–Converts are made by force of sward
not persuasion and reasoning. Corner
stone of Ka’aba the cube shrine of Allah
was an idol and has nothing to do with
Gabriel Abraham and Ishmael building it
D.–Divining arrows were used to decide
the faith of Mohammed‘s father Abdulah
– the slave of Allah in ka’aba and
demons are disciples Allah through the
preaching of Quran. Wonderful!
E.–Examine every scripture whether
Jewish or Christian in the light of what
the Quran says any thing outside that is
false and anyone who leaves Islam kill
him. Is it not satanic?
F.– Faith must be exercised on one Idol-
Allah only and not any other. Fight for
him and his apostle to be sure of
heaven. Can you believe this?
G.–Goddess associated with Allah like al-
lat, al-luza and Ma’nat must be
destroyed. Does it mater I if you worship
one Idol or many idols?
H.–Hub bal the senior idol of kaa’ba must
submit to Allah the supreme rock god of
the kuraish the tribe of Mohammed.
Hatred of all mankind is the major creed
of the cult.
I.–Islam a religion of submission of all
idols, jinns and humans to Allah the
supreme rock god of the Kuraish tribe of
Mecca of Saudi Arabia, Under the Arab
imperialism.
J.–Jinns and demons profess Koran and
Islam to be their religion. Can you
believe this to be godly religion?
K.– Knowledge of other religions like
Judaism and Christianity is enmity to
Islam. You must remain ignorant of these
true faith to remain loyal to Islam.
L.–Lives are to be sacrificed in fighting for
Allah to guarantee paradise with Allah.
One of the unwritten but the greatest
Pillar of Islam.
M.–Mohammed is the sole massager and
partner of Allah, unlike the God of the
Jews and Christians who has many
prophets and Massagers to direct
mankind to him with Jesus as the last
and the final Messiah and Saviour.
N.– No freedom or right to question the
stupidity of Allah compared to the True
God of the Universe.
O.– Obedient to the cult ritual belief
system is the supreme command and
has nothing to do with morality or being
humanistic
P.-Partnership with Allah the supreme
Idol or personal relationship is forbidden
except Mohammed the chief priest.
Q.-Quran the recitals of this idol call
Allah was collated into a book from the
oral tradition of many years after the
death of its principal recital general, and
the chief poet of the cult religion.
R.–Remember the Ramadan the holy
month of the pagan to keep it holy, is
one of the five pillars.
S.–Satan circulates in human like blood.
Make sure his recitals agree with that of
Allah the supreme rock god. Stealing is
forbidden but not against unbelievers
because their wealth are yours by right.
can you believe this?
T.–Turn towards Kaa’ba when you pray
because that is the dwelling place of
Allah and will not hear you if turn to any
other direction because he is not
everywhere and cannot hear from any
direction.
U.– Unbeliever in this cult belief system
must be killed and wipe out to the last
because Allah hate them
V.–Virgins are waiting for the martyrs and
believer for real treat in bed-mastics and
heavenly wine to cool down if they are
killed in the art of terrorism or die as the
faithful of Allah and Mohammed his
Partner.
W.–Wine should not be taken while here
on earth or else you will not be allow to
drink in Allah’s paradise.
X.–Xerox the life of Mohammed and
practice it and you will be in Allah,
Paradise. Remember the assassinations.
Rapping of slave girls, the adultery,
slaughtering of the Jews, Christians, the
polygamy and the war against all
unbelievers, these are principles most
holy.
Y.–Yield your brain to the teaching of
Quran only. No any other knowledge is
necessary and remained ignorant.
Z.–Zip up your month and closed your
eyes to all the evil in Islam. You must not
question or leave but believing and the
garden shall be yours. That is summary
of cult/paganism of Islam. Rebuttal
awaited if you want reference I can give
you.
http://www.islam-watch.org/home/112-mohammad/322-the-quran-confesses-allah-was-a-pagan-god-before-islam.html [/s]

When are you going to start Argueing with your brain?

Rilwayne001:


What do you mean by legal right?

so you don't know what it mean by legal right? Joseph did not have intercourse with Mary before Jesus was born, both the bible and quran agreed with this, but by the virtue of the marriage,legally Joseph adopt Jesus.

Rilwayne001:


When are you going to start Argueing with your brain?

is there any lies in there? If you can refute just ONE I will removed the post.any one of your choice.

malvisguy212:
so you don't know what it mean by legal right? Joseph did not have intercourse with Mary before Jesus was born, both the bible and quran agreed with this, but by the virtue of the marriage,legally Joseph adopt Jesus.

Which makes him not a direct descendant of Joseph, isn't it?

malvisguy212:
is there any lies in there? If you can refute just ONE I will removed the post.any one of your choice.

So Allah is no longer a moon god, but he is now a rock god According to the rubbish you copiedand pasted here?

Rilwayne001:


Which makes him not a direct descendant of Joseph, isn't it?

YES, however Mary was his biological mother.

Rilwayne001:


When are you going to start Argueing with your brain?

what matter now is that what he posted is it true? Or not? But I sense truth in those things that's why you responded in harsh manner.

EzioAuditore:


You claimed Allah was a pagan god, I asked for similarities, you had none.as to the second part of your question, that just proves you have no idea how the concept of heaven works. Now can you answer my question already? Stop trying to rope a dope as usual.

Let me just answer you so that you would not think you have a point even though you are incapable of refuting allahh as an idol.

In pre-Islamic days, that
Muslims call the Days of
ignorance, the religious
background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees,
stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make
contact with the deity. At Mekka, “ALLAH” was the CHIEF OF THE gods
and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah
had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice;
Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of
vegetable life(Quran 53:19-20). These three
daughters of Allah were
considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their
worshippers were of great
significance.

Arabs used to give their
children names such as—Abdullah
(slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”.
Logical analogy here is—had there
been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.

Now, these are the ways allah and his daughters were worshiped before islam and the SAME THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN ISLAM TODAY AND THAT IS THE SIMILARITIES you asked for:

Praying 5 Times Towards
Mecca:

Pagans prior to Islam would pray
five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam,
this pre-Islamic practice,
sanctioning it with a story of a
night trip to heaven on a mythical
beast called al- Buraq . In heaven,
the Hadith tells us that Allah
demanded 50 prayers per day per
Muslim. Upon advice from Moses,
Muhammed bargains with Allah
and successfully reduces it to five
prayers per day.

Zoroastrians are also expected to
recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing
( ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam.
But, contrary to the Muslims, they
pray in the direction of the Sun (at
each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire
Temple).

Fasting on the 10th of
Muharram:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
(Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172)

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa:

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)

Requirement of Ihram:

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters
into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures
like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was
originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre- Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam.
Muslims assume Ihram to
perform the Hajj or Umrah.

Narrated 'Urwa: I asked
'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to
assume “Ihram” for worshipping
an idol called “Manat” which they
used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced
Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would
consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)

Rilwayne001:


So Allah is no longer a moon god, but he is now a rock god According to the rubbish you copiedand pasted here?

the black stone.

This is not a sarcasm .I know the post may have trouble you, but it was your brother who keep on insisting I proved Allah is a pagan,infacte the post I paste is not that bad comperd with the information I have now, in this life there is limit for everything, that why I paste the the comment that is more lightly than the one I have here.but if he keep on insisting then I will challenge him to open a thread let see who got tired.

malvisguy212:
YES,

Thank God that you affirmed that he is not a direct descendant of Joseph. Please don't later change your comment above.

Are you aware that only solomon's descendants is expected to be the conduit through which jesus is to come?

however Mary was his biological mother.

Mary wasn't a descendant of Solomon.

jcross19:
what matter now is that what he posted is it true? Or not? But I sense truth in those things that's why you responded in harsh manner.

What is harsh in my post?
Did you bother to read what he copied and pasted? did the writer attached any substantial reference to all he wrote?

malvisguy212:
the black stone.

What about the black stone? does it represent Allah?
Is Allah a moon god or a rock god according to the rubbish you pasted?

This is not a sarcasm

Then what is it??

.I know the post may have trouble you,

Troubled by what?

but it was your brother who keep on insisting I proved Allah is a pagan,infacte the post I paste is not that bad comperd with the information I have now, in this life there is limit for everything, that why I paste the the comment that is more lightly than the one I have here.but if he keep on insisting then I will challenge him to open a thread let see who got tired.

Lol, who get tired from what exactly? you meanfrom copying and pasting unsubstantiated nonsense?

Have you ever read what wikipedia wrote about YAHWEH??

Rilwayne001:


Thank God that you affirmed that he is not a direct descendant of Joseph. Please don't later change your comment above.

Are you aware that only solomon's descendants is expected to be the conduit through which jesus is to come?



Mary wasn't a descendant of Solomon.

as a matter of fact your question is even wrong,descended of Joseph of David?

Yes, Heli was the biology father of Mary. And heli was in the same line with NATHAN another of king David son.

This statement is wrong
"Are you aware that only solomon's descendants is expected to be the conduit through which jesus is to come?"

Infacte Luke the not even add solomon because Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus, legally Jesus inherited the throne of David.

malvisguy212:
as a matter of fact your question is even wrong, descended of Joseph of David?

What are you saying here

Yes, Heli was the biology father of Mary. And heli was in the same line with NATHAN another of king David son.

And where in the bible did yahweh ever say that jesus will come from David through Nathan?

NB: I have where it says he would come from David through Solomon.

This statement is wrong
"Are you aware that only solomon's descendants is expected to be the conduit through which jesus is to come?"

What is wrong about it please? kindly point it out.

Infacte Luke the not even add solomon

Perhaps luke made an error, or that the bible god lied that jesus would come from david through solomon. can't you see the lie?

because Joseph was not the biological father of Jesus, legally Jesus inherited the throne of David.

You need some schooling bro.

bring it on.

Rilwayne001:


What about the black stone? does it represent Allah?
Is Allah a moon god or a rock god according to the rubbish you pasted?



Then what is it??



Troubled by what?



Lol, who get tired from what exactly? you meanfrom copying and pasting unsubstantiated nonsense?

Have you ever read what wikipedia wrote about YAHWEH??

Allah is the moon god and the black stone which muslims bow down to including muhammed was worship by the pagan. The stone is among the symbol of Allah.

malvisguy212:
[s] Allah is the moon god and the black stone which muslims bow down to including muhammed was worship by the pagan. The stone is among the symbol of Allah. [/s]

Lols. I think you need to take a chill pill.

Bring foward your prove from the Quran where Allah is refered to as a moon god or black stone god?

no straw please.

Again sire, do you read what wikipedia wrote about yahweh?

truthman2012:


Let me just answer you so that you would not think you have a point even though you are incapable of refuting allahh as an idol.

In pre-Islamic days, that
Muslims call the Days of
ignorance, the religious
background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees,
stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make
contact with the deity. At Mekka, “ALLAH” was the CHIEF OF THE gods
and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah
had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice;
Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of
vegetable life(Quran 53:19-20). These three
daughters of Allah were
considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their
worshippers were of great
significance.

Arabs used to give their
children names such as—Abdullah
(slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”.
Logical analogy here is—had there
been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.

Now, these are the ways allah and his daughters were worshiped before islam and the SAME THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN ISLAM TODAY AND THAT IS THE SIMILARITIES you asked for:

Praying 5 Times Towards
Mecca:

Pagans prior to Islam would pray
five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam,
this pre-Islamic practice,
sanctioning it with a story of a
night trip to heaven on a mythical
beast called al- Buraq . In heaven,
the Hadith tells us that Allah
demanded 50 prayers per day per
Muslim. Upon advice from Moses,
Muhammed bargains with Allah
and successfully reduces it to five
prayers per day.

Zoroastrians are also expected to
recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing
( ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam.
But, contrary to the Muslims, they
pray in the direction of the Sun (at
each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire
Temple).

Fasting on the 10th of
Muharram:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
(Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172)

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa:

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)

Requirement of Ihram:

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters
into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures
like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was
originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre- Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam.
Muslims assume Ihram to
perform the Hajj or Umrah.

Narrated 'Urwa: I asked
'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to
assume “Ihram” for worshipping
an idol called “Manat” which they
used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced
Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would
consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)

Let this be announced to the whole wide world that islam is PAGANISM.

truthman2012:


Let me just answer you so that you would not think you have a point even though you are incapable of refuting allahh as an idol.

In pre-Islamic days, that
Muslims call the Days of
ignorance, the religious
background of the Arabs was pagan, and basically animistic. Through Moon, Sun, Stars, Planets, Animals, wells, trees,
stones, caves, springs, and other natural objects man could make
contact with the deity. At Mekka, “ALLAH” was the CHIEF OF THE gods
and the special deity of the Quraish, the prophet’s tribe. Allah
had three daughters: Al Uzzah (Venus) most revered of all and pleased with human sacrifice;
Manah, the goddess of destiny, and Al Lat, the goddess of
vegetable life(Quran 53:19-20). These three
daughters of Allah were
considered very powerful over all things. Therefore, their intercessions on behalf of their
worshippers were of great
significance.

Arabs used to give their
children names such as—Abdullah
(slave of Allah). Clean proof was the fact that, Muhammad’s father’s name was “Abdullah”.
Logical analogy here is—had there
been no “Allah” in pre-Islamic Arab, there could be no Abdullah or slave of Allah in Arabia.

Now, these are the ways allah and his daughters were worshiped before islam and the SAME THINGS ARE BEING DONE IN ISLAM TODAY AND THAT IS THE SIMILARITIES you asked for:

Praying 5 Times Towards
Mecca:

Pagans prior to Islam would pray
five times per day towards Mecca.
Muhammad retained for Islam,
this pre-Islamic practice,
sanctioning it with a story of a
night trip to heaven on a mythical
beast called al- Buraq . In heaven,
the Hadith tells us that Allah
demanded 50 prayers per day per
Muslim. Upon advice from Moses,
Muhammed bargains with Allah
and successfully reduces it to five
prayers per day.

Zoroastrians are also expected to
recite their (kusti) prayers at least
five times a day having first cleansed themselves by washing
( ablution). So even today, this is not a practice unique to Islam.
But, contrary to the Muslims, they
pray in the direction of the Sun (at
each time of the day) and/or of the Holy Fire (if they are in a Fire
Temple).

Fasting on the 10th of
Muharram:

Muhammad's pagan tribe, the
Quraish, fasted on the 10 th of
Muharram. Though optional,
Muhammad retained this pagan
practice too.

Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the
tenth of Muharram) was a day on
which the tribe of Quraish used to
fast in the pre-lslamic period of
ignorance. The Prophet also used
to fast on this day. So when he
migrated to Medina, he fasted on
it and ordered (the Muslims) to
fast on it. When the fasting of
Ramadan was enjoined, it became
optional for the people to fast or
not to fast on the day of Ashura.
(Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172)

Tawaf between Safa and Marwa:

Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual
associated with the pilgrimage to
Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. This was originally a pagan pre-Islamic
practice. Muhammad retained it
for Islam, sanctioning it with yet
another Qur'anic revelation.
Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin
Malik: "Did you use to dislike to
perform Tawaf between Safa and
Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was
of the ceremonies of the days of
the Pre-lslamic period of
ignorance, till Allah revealed:
'Verily! (The two mountains) As-
Safa and Al-Marwa are among the
symbols of Allah. It is therefore no
sin for him who performs the
pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or
performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf
between them.' " (2.158)
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710)

Requirement of Ihram:

Ihram is a state a Muslim enters
into for his pilgrimage to Mecca. It
involves a series of procedures
like ritual washing, wearing 'Ihram
garments', etc. Ihram was
originally a pagan requirement for
worshipping idols during pre- Islamic times. Muhammad retained this practice for Islam.
Muslims assume Ihram to
perform the Hajj or Umrah.

Narrated 'Urwa: I asked
'Aisha : ...But in fact, this divine inspiration was revealed concerning the Ansar who used to
assume “Ihram” for worshipping
an idol called “Manat” which they
used to worship at a place called Al-Mushallal before they embraced
Islam, and whoever assumed Ihram (for the idol), would
consider it not right to perform
Tawaf between Safa and Marwa.
(Sahih Bukhari 2:26:706)

I wanted to just ignore you but it seems the matter keeps coming up and so I have decided to address this issue once and for all. People tend to forget that Abraham and Ishmael both preached monotheism to ARAbS and as such you may find some good deeds diluted in madness amongst the pagans. You wanted to know

Who Allah is? Mind you Allah means God in Arabic but let's just ignore that for now
You said the pagans prayed towards Makkah
You wanted to know about Safana and marwa
And finally you wanted to know about ihram.

I think this will answer all your questions that is if answers are what you're looking for:

We know that the word “Allah” was in use before the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). If we read Ar-Raheeq ul-Makhtum we realise that the early Arabs did believe in Allah as the Only God. This is dated all the way back to the time of Prophet Ishmael (p) who resided in Makkah (Mecca) and learned Arabic as well as settling there [1]. He preached the message of pure monotheism; “Most of the Arabs had complied with the call of Ishmael and professed the religion of his father Abraham. They worshipped Allah, professed His Oneness and followed His religion...” [2].

This shows that Allah was known as the Only God, just like the Muslims believe Him to be. Indeed Abraham and Ishmael (pbut) are considered to be Muslims, i.e. those who had submitted to the Will of the Only God, Allah.

How paganism was introduced after Ishmael and Abraham (pbut)

The issue of paganism came into the equation as the Arabs forgot this pure monotheism which was taught by Ishmael and his followers. The idolatry was originated from the actions of a man named Amr bin Luhai, he was known as a devoted and righteous man, well respected by his peers. However, after a trip away from Mecca he saw idol-worship in Syria.

Upon his return to the Meccans he introduced idol worship to the Meccans by bringing an idol named Hubal back from Syria and this resulted in the spread of a great many idols across Mecca.

They now (wrongly) believed Allah to be the high god of many gods

Despite the Meccan pagans’ acceptance of idols they still proclaimed belief in Allah in the sense that they saw Allah as the High God but used the idols as ‘lesser deities’ whom they believed “could intercede before Allah for the fulfilment of their wishes” [4].

Quite simply they had a pantheon of ‘gods’ but believed that Allah was the High God of their pantheon. [6]

The theory of Allah being considered as a High God is backed by Ar-Raheequl-Maktoum, Karen Armstrong [6] and W. M. Watt [7].

Effectively over the years they changed their belief in Allah, from the belief that Allah was the Only God (the Abrahamic teachings) to the belief that Allah was the High God of their many deities (pagan/polytheistic teachings).

There were 360 different idols, belonging to the pagans of Mecca, around the Ka’bah when Prophet Muhammed took charge of Mecca. These idols were subsequently broken, removed and burned under the authority of Prophet Muhammed [3].

Prophet Muhammad’s father - Abdullah

Another source that attests to the fact that the pre-Islamic Arabs used the name Allah and held a ‘belief’ in Him is the genealogy of Prophet Muhammed, his father’s name was actually Abdullah (meaning servant of Allah) [5]. Interestingly enough, some of these pagan Arabs believed that Allah was the same God that the Jews and Christians worshipped [6]

Prophet Muhammad reintroduces Abrahamic monotheism

In 610 CE, the Prophet Muhammad began to call the pagan Arabs back to the pure monotheism which was taught by Abraham and Ishmael centuries earlier. By 632 CE the Meccan Arabs had given up their idols and returned back to pure monotheism – believing in Allah as the only god.

So you can see where the name Abd-ALLAH came from, and you can see why practices like ihram, praying towards the Kaaba, fasting on Muharram, safa and marwa etc may have originated from. Just like there are christian and Jewish practices that are similar to that of muslims.

Although the only issue I can't grasp is that of Zoroastrianism, tell me more about it, who do they worship?

Rilwayne001:


Was jesus a descendant of David or not?

Please don't tell me nonsense here. Answer the question straight

I can understand your question. Muhammad and his Allah banned adoption and so your mind cannot comprehend Joseph being the earthly father of Jesus.
Islam retards people.

Rilwayne001:


Was jesus a descendant of David or not?

Please don't tell me nonsense here. Answer the question straight

I can understand your question. Muhammad and his Allah banned adoption so that muhammad would by allah be allowed his daughter in law and so your mind cannot comprehend Joseph being the earthly father of Jesus.
Islam retards people.
Perfect example.
I have said elsewhere that Muslims think Angel Gabriel had intercourse with Mary the mother of Jesus.
Leave Islam my brother. We only have love not hate.

basilico:


I can understand your question. Muhammad and his Allah banned adoption so that muhammad would by allah be allowed his daughter in law and so your mind cannot comprehend Joseph being the earthly father of Jesus.
Islam retards people.
Perfect example.
I have said elsewhere that Muslims think Angel Gabriel had intercourse with Mary the mother of Jesus.
Leave Islam my brother. We only have love not hate.

1- where and when did Allah (SWT) ban adoption?

2- where is it said or even implied that Gabriel had intercourse with Mary (RA)?
If you can't bring forth solid proof and or evidence, then you will forever be known as King prawn.

Truthman2012 alternate moniker ..Na how many account you get sef

Why you no dey quote me with your original moniker? uhn?

basilico:


I can understand your question.

Then answer it, Instead of gasping at straw

Muhammad and his Allah banned adoption

Islam didnt ban adoption mr. truthman, it is to be made clear that Islam makes it impermissible to adopt a child and name him after his adoptive parents, while denying his real parents.

There are two main kinds of adoption. The first one denotes that a person adopts a child whose parents are well known but he intends to name the child after him. such kind of adoption is categorically forbidden in Islam. The story of Zayd Ibn Harithah, may Allah be pleased with him, is a clear example in this respect. The Qur'an refers to this saying: Al-Ahzaab: 4 "Proclaim their real parentage. That will be more equitable in the sight of Allah. And if ye know not their fathers, then (they are) your brethren in the faith, and your clients."

The second kind of adoption, which is strongly recommended in Islam, includes that a person raises a boy or a girl and takes care of him or her as a real father or mother would do to their child, while keeping in mind that the child should be named after his/her biological parents. Islam urges people to follow such a trend in order to spare the homeless or orphan children the problems of vagrancy and lack of nurture.

and so your mind cannot comprehend Joseph being the earthly father of Jesus.

How is Joseph is earthly father? did he had sexual interciurse with Mary.

Islam retards people.

dayummmn.

EzioAuditore:


1- where and when did Allah (SWT) ban adoption?

2- where is it said or even implied that Gabriel had intercourse with Mary (RA)?
If you can't bring forth solid proof and or evidence, then you will forever be known as King prawn.

2. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_and_Marys_Vagina

1. http://crombouke..com/2011/03/why-muslims-are-forbidden-to-adopt.html?m=1

basilico:


Perfect example.

Where?

I have said elsewhere that Muslims think Angel Gabriel had intercourse with Mary the mother of Jesus.

How?

Leave Islam my brother.

Why?

We only have love not hate.

You show love by calling muslims retàrds right?

basilico:



2. http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_and_Marys_Vagina

1. http://crombouke..com/2011/03/why-muslims-are-forbidden-to-adopt.html?m=1

That's your evidence? Two websites dedicated to bashing islam? Like I said bring forth proof from a credible Islamic source or forever be known as King prawn.

EzioAuditore:


That's your evidence? Two websites dedicated to bashing islam? Like I said bring forth proof from a credible Islamic source or forever be known as King prawn.

1400 years later please show me any good deed by your prophet apart from ordering Muslim men to marry 4 wives.

basilico:


1400 years later please show me any good deed by your prophet apart from ordering Muslim men to marry 4 wives.

So are you accepting your new name? If you are, then I'll be glad to answer your question once you admit you're a liar.

EzioAuditore:


So are you accepting your new name? If you are, then I'll be glad to answer your question once you admit you're a liar.

Those websites I quoted have excerpts from Sahih hadeeth,Qur'an et all.
Stop derailing the thread.Muhammad preached water but drink wine.
He was a liar. I only have one handle here .
He was ordering his followers to do what he was not doing. His actions clearly violate the Quran but you can't admit that.