tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

my friend,always mind whatever you wanna post online,so going to a polytechnic means you won't be able to speak good english?and who told you all university graduates and undergraduates can speak good english

Nnamekus1:
In my opinion, the discrimination is baseless and borne out of bias. It's always good to talk from experience. Bsc is not better than HND because i have been into both systems. I was studying computer engineering at Michael okpara university before i had issues in the school and left.I was opportune to finish 200level before leaving the school for federal polytechnic nekede. But during my two years in the university, i knew virtually nothing as a prospective engineer. It's theory all the way and alternative to practicals that they give us in the name of practicals. I thought i was doing well until i came to poly nekede and my eyes opened. Most of the courses we did in 200L were treated in my ND1. Right now i have enough practical experience and i am not gainsaying. I am in ND2 now and i am happier here in the polytechnic than in the university. For those talking about course content not being the same, it is only on paper that they are not the same. All the courses i did while in the university has been treated here. For those who know about Federal poly nekede, you know that it's very close to FUTO; FUTO students pay some poly nekede students to write exams for them. Inasmuch as I'm not scared of the effects of the discrimination, I think it should stop. It doesn't matter weather you have HND of BSC. What matters is what you have upstairs. I think it's high time we stopped attaching so much importance to certificate as against the holder.

FUTO students paying some Nekede Poly students to write exams for them?? Oga, you can lie ooo. This is a self justification sort of.
BSc and HND are not the same anywhere in the world. For those who are agitating that Bsc should be equal to HND in Nigeria. Try and apply for Masters program abroad with your HND certificate and see what will happen.
Stop all this your agitation and accept your fate or better still, get a Bsc certificate.
The curriculums and course contents are not the same, I went through both systems. They're not the same I repeat.
University is a research and Technological based institution, while Polytechnic is just a Technological based institution.
In the Polytechnic, HND/Bsc holder can become a senior lecturer/HOD, Msc a Rector. You may not pass through a Professor throughout your duration in school.
In the University, Bsc can only be assistant lecturer even with first class honors. HOD/Dean of facilities are Professors.
There is no basis for comparison pls.

BSc and HND are not the same anywhere in the world. For those who are agitating that Bsc should be equal to HND in Nigeria. Try and apply for Masters program abroad with your HND certificate and see what will happen.
Stop all this your agitation and accept your fate or better still, get a Bsc certificate.
The curriculums and course contents are not the same, I went through both systems. They're not the same I repeat.
University is a research and Technological based institution, while Polytechnic is just a Technological based institution.
In the Polytechnic, HND/Bsc holder can become a senior lecturer/HOD, Msc a Rector. You may not pass through a Professor throughout your duration in school.
In the University, Bsc can only be assistant lecturer even with first class honors. HOD/Dean of facilities are Professors.
There is no basis for comparison pls.

Bollove:
[b]for HND/B.sc disparity .....

I was once in Polytechnic before porting to uni thus I have experienced both Institutions and I can tell you the condition and parameters of learning in both Institution differs as far as academic is concern.

B.sc is Bachelor of Science ...which implies you have been "theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically" equipped to relate with modalities of your discipline while HND , Higher National Diploma implied you have been pragmatically (practically) equipped to relate with modalities in your discipline as theoretically and conceptually evolved by a B.sc/M.sc/PhD holder

Polytechnics in a bid to make more money has delved into discipline they don't have resources to undertake .....

at parity, You can't compare somebody who has been tutored by professors with somebody who hardly passed through a PhD holder in his/her entire academic life.


Polytechnic is a technical school from her name "technics" the poly implies the discipline in such Institution is more than one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering, Elect elect , Mech eng etc ..... we also have monotechnics , an institution that specialise in one technical discipline e.g Civil engineering.

At Parity, you can't expect somebody who is theoretically, conceptually and pragmatically oriented to be at the same level with someone who is much pragmatically oriented with little conceptualizing and theoretical underpinnings, framework s and background[/b] .......

Please learn things yourself before you dabble into conclusions. Those people who gives Poly 70,000 and B.sc 120,000 are not fo.ol and it is not as if they don't know what they are doing .

You can't compare B.sc accounting/M.sc Accounting/PhD Accounting with a Chartered Accountant in terms of training received and pay ...... the PhD/B.sc/M.sc are academic orientations while ICAN is a professional/Practical orientation that is why HND holders in accounting excel well in ICAN than B.sc Accounting at parity

if you have HND , technical orientation before you can dabble into academic orientation , you would convert you technical knowledge at PGD (Post Graduate Diploma) schools then you move into M.Sc while a B.sc holder will move straight into M.Sc unless you carry third class/pass then you also get to retrained at PGD schools before moving up academic ladder.

Education is more than practical, some people evolve these courses we are studying from great effort of research and contributions to knowledge through strong theories , conceptualisations and empirical issues to allow real life relationships between concpets and theories.

It is quite embarrassing in Nigeria for some people to just enter into a school without knowing, understanding and preparing for the kind of knowledge to be exposed to ..... You don't just go to school without understanding the kinda knowledge they are impacting therein and the kinda knowledge they have impacted on you.


I am tired of B.sc/HND parity .... until you go to University yourself, you would not be able to ascertain the difference between these two levels of knowledge.

Thank you.

Nnamekus1:
In my opinion, the discrimination is baseless and borne out of bias. It's always good to talk from experience. Bsc is not better than HND because i have been into both systems. I was studying computer engineering at Michael okpara university before i had issues in the school and left.I was opportune to finish 200level before leaving the school for federal polytechnic nekede. But during my two years in the university, i knew virtually nothing as a prospective engineer. It's theory all the way and alternative to practicals that they give us in the name of practicals. I thought i was doing well until i came to poly nekede and my eyes opened. Most of the courses we did in 200L were treated in my ND1. Right now i have enough practical experience and i am not gainsaying. I am in ND2 now and i am happier here in the polytechnic than in the university. For those talking about course content not being the same, it is only on paper that they are not the same. All the courses i did while in the university has been treated here. For those who know about Federal poly nekede, you know that it's very close to FUTO; FUTO students pay some poly nekede students to write exams for them. Inasmuch as I'm not scared of the effects of the discrimination, I think it should stop. It doesn't matter weather you have HND of BSC. What matters is what you have upstairs. I think it's high time we stopped attaching so much importance to certificate as against the holder.

Giitheon:
i totally agree with you on this.

Bros, why did you edit your Auchi post na ... I wan show somebody abeg....

Giitheon:

Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Giitheon ( m ): 1:16am
bettercreature:
Polytechnic are just too bad infact they are destroying Nigerian EDUCATION system,you will weep for
Nigeria if you attend some polytechnic lectures
i totally agree with you on this.I'm presently a student of AUCHI polytechnic(the seemingly best
polytechnic in Nigeria). I'm planning on leaving the sch for UNIBEN dis yr,because i have waited for the
'BEST' it was tagged with.But its not coming.The standard of lecturing is nothing to write home
about.When i was in secondary sch,people say polytechnics do lots of practical works.Its all a blatant lie
from this point that i see things.I totally agree with you jare
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Oga Nnamekus1, you don see say wetin face one person na back e be for another person.

Personal development is what matter in life and go to Institution s that can help you develop yourself ..... some folks are comfortable with polytechnic modules and it gives them satisfaction while some abhor polytechnic and love university's module and it gives them satisfaction.

It is the same reason some people choose accounting while other chose engineering while some people will tell you unless they gain admission into medicine , they will never stop writing jamb.

What is embarrassing is for someone not making cut off of or in a university only to get enrolled in lower academic cadre and start fighting for equality after his graduation and job placement.

Nobody should be maltreated whatsoever though.

Nnamekus1:
Well said. But i don't understand your point. Too many contradictions of ideas.

You just have to point to the grey areas sir !!

GODAKPAN:

IT CANT BE SAME, WE CAN ABOLISH POLY EDUCATION AND EQUATE ENTRY REQUIREMENTS/CURRICULLUM BEFORE TALKING OF EQUATING FINAL CERT. CONSIDER THE REQUIREMENTS ALSO OF THEIR LECTURERS. U NEED A PHD BASIC TO LECTURE IN UNI AND A GOOD 1ST DEGREE FOR POLY. WHY CANT WE SEE DIS. IF U STILL WANNNA EQUATE, MERGE ASUU AND ASUP, NUC AND .....................BOARD DAT CONTROL POLY EDUCATION. MY BROTHER, NOTHING IS THE SAME, SO THE FINAL CERT SHOULDNT BE SAME. WE HAVE/HAD CHOICES BEFORE EMBARKING ON EACH SO WHY CHANGE THE GOAL POST AFTER CONCLUDING THE SCHOOLING. I EMBARKED ON POLY because I NEEDED TO WORK AFTER OND. THE CHOICE WAS MINE, MIND YOU, I STILL WORK WITH MY HND AND NO PLANS TO DROP IT SOON COS AM CONTENTED. FAR BETTER THAN SOME 1ST DEGREE JOB.

The input factors are not what should determine pay but the output /As an employer I am more interested in what skills you have sadly the quality of your debate is disappointing. This i a very simple SCHOOL DEBATE TOPIC whih any reasonably educated high school kid should be able to debate both sides.

No one pays you because of your degree but for how you can help them make money.

by the way I am not advocating equivalence of HnDs with degrees

Our deliberation here would have no effect in reality.I'm a polytechnic student,bt i still perticipated in the Ume of dis yr,in order to save myself of the heartbreaks that discrimintion would bring to me.From my personal observation,i hv noticed alot of flaws in the polytechnics' system of education. Just like colleges of eductions trains her students to be teachers,so does the polytechnic train her students to be technologists.Concerning communiction nd written English.I think a student is responsible for that.I hv alot of colligues here in my department that cannot communicate with u effectively,withing diverting into pigin English.And when ever one tries to speak using some moderate vocabulary,they'd scream'na u speak english pass'.This leaves me bewildered, juxtapose with the fact that i'm attending Nigeria's seemingly 'BEST' polytechnic.Its annoying.I agree with u @ Op.....But this two terchiery institutions were made for different purpose.And each is unique,bt bsc nd hnd can and would never be equal.

omonnakoda:
The input factors are not what should determine pay but the output /As an employer I am more interested in what skills you have sadly the quality of your debate is disappointing. This i a very simple SCHOOL DEBATE TOPIC whih any reasonably educated high school kid should be able to debate both sides.

No one pays you because of your degree but for how you can help them make money.

by the way I am not advocating equivalence of HnDs with degrees

SORRY SIR, LET ME MAKE YOU HAPPY BY DOING THIS: BSC=HND=NCE=RN AN SO ON. SUMMARY IS THEY WERENT AND WILL NOT BE SAME UNLESS THOSE INDICES I MENTIONED ARE EQUATED. U WANT USE UR 2 CREDIT AND 3 PASSES IN O LEVEL TAKE DO PRELIM THEN COME BEGIN FIGHT FOR EQUALITY WITH PERSON WEY GET 5 CREDIT FOR O LEVEL.

histemple:
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This statement (English is not our Mother tongue) is disgusting. I remember vividly, the Patience Jonathan and Wole Soyinka saga and some human beings made the same statement.
There is absolutely nothing wrong in using any language to communicate and there is nothing preventing the OP from using his mother tongue here.
Aside insulting the intelligence of your audience, refusing to accept your errors and subsequently correcting them is even more infuriating.

Beauty and Brain. Keep on cuz you are doing good.

GODAKPAN:

SORRY SIR, SUMMARY IS THEY WERENT AND WILL NOT BE SAME UNLESS THOSE INDICES I MENTIONED ARE EQUATED. U WANT USE UR 2 CREDIT AND 3 PASSES IN O LEVEL TAKE DO PRELIM THEN COME BEGIN FIGHT FOR EQUALITY WITH PERSON WEY GET 5 CREDIT FOR O LEVEL.

I do not know if they are or are not the same. . I would ask a different question are any of them of any value or usefulness to me as an employer .My experience has been often Nigerian degrees and HnDs(people) are both useless so I am more interested in what happens DURING the "education" than BEFORE. If you had made that argument the basis for your summary it would make some sense.

My point is if there is an intellectual argument to be made for the superiority of University degrees which there well may be you lack the facility to make it

Smartlife:
I just finished my ND and am about going for Hnd by Gods grace. I have read so much about this discrimination of the Bsc and Hnd cert and indeed though I feel little pain and regret inside me but I have decided to move on. I realize every hands are not equal. If I look back to those who even want to go to college of education but couldnt because of finance, I just give God the glory about the little step I have took. For me to start worrying over the Hnd course won't put food on my table. All I have to do for myself is to work hard and compete myself with others anywhere I find myself. Hnd or bsc can even go to hell because Gods plans for me is the final. I will just try my best to finish up and work towards my future. No more regret, no more pains. But I look to even be an entrepreneur someday. All my poly mates should accept their fate and work hard. Tomorrow is pregnant. (One day the neglected stone will be selected and accepted).

Almighty God will surely bless your hustle and you would reach your desire zenith by the special grace of God.
please bro, immediately after your HND, God will bless you with a Good Job .. kindly enrol for a B.sc even if it is gonna be open university because it seems finance is the reason why you are in Polytechnic.

Verily, you shall overcome your financial issues but don't forget to port to University of your dream afterward.

tonytony208:


What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

wat makes u think university is better is beta Dan d polytechnic, some university graduates will disappoint u same as HND graduates....HND OR Bsc Discrimination is based on where ur working just b d best at what u do...

joelpearl:
@op, hmmmmmm, I tire for u o, dem force u go poly? Abi u no see jamb form b4 u buy poly jamb? If u are not satisfied, get a direct entry form & get admitted into 300L in any university. How can u call for equality wen d HND=300L?
And as for those who say d HND is more sound dan d Degree, good luck to u. Buh I knw those who designed d poly & university curriculum are not fools. Each of them was designed for specific purpose respectively. D poly for technical handling and d degree for management.

That is the summary ooo B.sc is trained to manage and supervise HND .... Reason why B.sc be boss o. Gbam!!

bettercreature:
It can never be equal,some University students are more brilliant than POLYTECHNIC lecturers
or a situation where Youth Corpers are teaching HND 2 students
or a situation where HND student is converted to a lecturer after graduation
truth must be told,its not the same

All because you're privileged to attend/to have attended university? Hey! That doesn't determine your success in life u know? And ur overhyped B.sc is not ur PASS to paradise. Think!

omonnakoda:

I do not know if they are or are not the same. . I would ask a different question are any of them of any value or usefulness to me as an employer .My experience has been often Nigerian degrees and HnDs(people) are both useless so I am more interested in what happens DURING the "education" than BEFORE. If you had made that argument the basis for your summary it would make some sense.

My point is if there is an intellectual argument to be made for the superiority of University degrees which there well may be you lack the facility to make it

GUY, NO SUCH BASIS FOR COMPARISM, SEEN PRIMARY SCHOOL KIDS SOLVE PROBLEM SOME SECONDARY SCHOOL KID CANT SOLVE. I CAN DO IS EASY SAID BUT HOW DO I VERIFY THAT HE CAN DO, IS IT NOT THE CERT. IMAGINE I CAME TO YOUR INTERVIEW YOU SCHEDULED FOR AERONAUTICAL ENGR AND I CAME WITH C&G AND START BLABBING THAT I CAN, HOW DO YOU VERIFY THAT I CAN TO EVEN GIVE ME A TRY. MIND YOU, EVERY ROUND PEG IN A SQUARE HOLE IS A QUACK. YOU CAN PATRONISE THEM AT YOUR PERIL

bettercreature:
Polytechnic are just too bad infact they are destroying Nigerian EDUCATION system,you will weep for Nigeria if you attend some polytechnic lectures

I will really like to know the course u red, and I will get u jst an ND boy/girl to teach u more on it. Were u thought anything on criticism in school at all? The manners at which u criticise is so blind... not even one of ur criticisms is constructive. U av jst been spewing gilbrish. Go n learn how to be polite.

@op...is like a menace...I have been taught by both parties...no much difference...for me, I won't discriminate if am an employer of labour...my target will always be centred on abilities not some qualifications...when you re good...u don't need baseless discriminations to distract you...just be focused...upgrade if you've d time and move on.

fvck HND, fvck B.sc ... think of something good and start up something with your life, everybody is chasing the same thing which is money.
As for the discrimination, what do you expect, you are in a fvcked up country, an HND holder can be more skilled and more intelligent than the latter in whatever they are competing for... the whole system is just fvcked

Richy4:
There are so many kids on this thread.

Here is a wonderful topic that should be looked into, maybe the power of social media might circulate it and it will get to the appropriate authority.

But People are judging here who speaks better English language. And they forgot that English is just a language just like hausa, igbo and Youruba.

Being fluent in English language does not make one intelligent. My former boss is from England. He can't really spell some words. I used to help sometimes. But you might be wondering hmmm!!! but that's his language.

Just the way some of us can't spell our language but speaks them, that's how English language should be seen.

I respect you my brother. U r jst the only one I've seen here so far who av spoken well. Well done

Bollove:
Almighty God will surely bless your hustle and you would reach your desire zenith by the special grace of God.
please bro, immediately after your HND, God will bless you with a Good Job .. kindly enrol for a B.sc even if it is gonna be open university because it seems finance is the reason why you are in Polytechnic.

Verily, you shall overcome your financial issues but don't forget to port to University of your dream afterward.

Thanks so much for your encouragement and advice. God bless you abundantly.

bettercreature:
Polytechnic are just too bad infact they are destroying Nigerian EDUCATION system,you will weep for Nigeria if you attend some polytechnic lectures

Wondering if u saw d four walls of the school...no offence...a sound Uni graduate won't be spilling this gibberish...like I said earlier...been taught by both parties so am highly disappointed

Jakara:


Imokay, you spoke fine and I must commend you for a constructive point. My question is, where in Nigerian law or constitution is it written that you pay HND lower than B.Sc or that Nigerians should discriminate among the two certificate holders. The same group of B.Sc holder that brought about this discrimination for their selfish interest, are the same people that projects corruption in Nigeria.
Nigeria should do away with this selfish interest and look for intellectuals & ideas that could save Nigeria from its state.

Nice response you have there.

But also, where in law is it written that you pay Masters holders more than B.Sc holders? I'm just following your line of thought.

some people lack manners n behave like educated illiterate. most of us looked for admission we couldn't get that was why we went for polytechnic. mind u polytechnics shouldn't have been established when d govt knws dat there will be discrimination.we spends more years and yet suffer the more.

[size=18pt]The federal government should restructure polytechnic education in Nigeria by introducing a one year Bsc top up programme for HND Holders to make it at par with university Bsc programme:

OND - 2 Years (a 6 months industrial training is included to make the program 2 years)
HND - 2 Years
Bsc top up programme - I Year
after your one year Bsc top up programme you go for NYSC

All HND holders who have graduated from Nigerian polytechnics under the old structure can still come back to school to do a one year Bsc top up programme to give them a full Bachelor degree.[/size]

tonytony208:


What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

@tonytony208.

sorry to say, your arrogant cannot take you anywhere. we are talking about unity and national development. please talk like someone who really understand that the certificate he possess or position he has it just a privilege because tomorrow table can turn and change can be equally effected and turn around to favor the so call HND holder tomorrow. A case studies of Governor Rauf Aregbeshola of Osun State is an HND holder and he is an engineer by profession graduated from the ibadan polytechnic and l am so much believe that he possess more than the HND by now. another one is Governor Fayose of Ekiti State he also possess HND which l know he possess more than that qualification by now, just to name few because of space and time. Try and read biography of your leaders and learn about lives. all these people now, God have already place them even above professor in their various states paying them salaries, appointing them as SA, commissioners etc. If you possess B.SC today and you have job you are doing thank God and don't discriminate. God bless Nigeria, God bless our leaders and all is well !

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tonytony208:


What is this half-backed poly student saying? Where did your empty-skulled self hear me calling champion incorrectly? It is like you are hallucinating. You can go and die if you want. You will always be subject to BSC holders forever! Eediot.

but to think of it or President does not have this bsc but yet his ruling you with the big degree.

Hello nairalanders, I don't really see why the descimination is so much, I work in a financial institution as an HND holder,a contract staff but each time a BSC holder is been employed as a full staff,d HND holders(the so called contract staff) are ones to train the newly employed BSC holder.so what is the justification? There are lots of BSC holders that can not even withstand some HND holders when it comes to performance and skill application. God help us.

tonytony208:
Your spelling of "dangerous" is enough to show you off as a poly student. Many of them cant speak or write simple and correct English; just like you have displayed here. Now, which polytechnic did you graduate from? Your school's standard must have been very poor! "Dangerious"? Queen Elizabeth must hear this!

oya u wey go uni hope say na shell u dey work nw? am a graduate of futo n I tink d discrimination is bad