zodiakzax:
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I will respond Barristter07, clearly your mind is Full of shit, I took my time to explain that to you but because you are so dumb you refuse to understand... I know you are all uneducated, so it's difficult for you to use your mind to think and educate yourself, so arguing with an illiterate and a fool is the most difficult thing one can do., your stupid organization tells you school is not important yet they fall on scholars to understand the bible, stupid stinking devils..


Don't worry, just trying to make enough time for myself... I'm a family man you know... [/s]

energy spent typing the above unintelligible post would have answer those posts he made .

brocab:

Isn't this what you are doing also-you sit behind your computer-so nobody is looking at you preaching some what is importance to you, so feel lucky you have a ordinance reading what foolishness you are trying to put out-"do you honestly believe Jesus preached His gospel holding in His hand Watchtower literature while He was door knocking?
My doors is always opened for those that preach the gospel-unfortunately my spirit have giving me enough wisdom and knowledge to close my doors against the JW's that don't come and preach the gospel..

It's a lie to preach unscriptural knowledge about Jesus-He didn't say we are to harass people all day long expecting them to believe in something that isn't scriptural, "your humbleness mild tempered as you would like us to believe, is really deceitful..

brocab:
I have written to Gruni 1234 and he seems to be looking for a different Jesus, the sweet little old man type, he wouldn't accept the fact, it is necessary to leave family and friends behind if needed be, of course he had taken things out of context..
I pray with what understanding we have written down for him, the Lord will open up his heart-give him understanding the Father teaches His Children through love and obedience..
Does good mix with the bad, or does Good mix with good-after we have become born again-It's a matter of decision-and in most cases this decision isn't something that can happen over night-but I will say this: it does happen if we persist..
"The Word of God can take years before we start to understand what it means to separate ourselves from the world.
But in most cases the Churches are open for business looking for that little old man JW type, who said: if you bow down before me, I will give you the desires of your heart. "People are always looking for a easy life of health and wealth-refusing to be obedient to our heavenly Father, Is this the obedience we as fathers give to our Children-do we give them everything their hearts desires, without having some sort of obedience..

TATIME:

If some people don't understand something,i think it's not a reason to become enraged at them. What a reasonable intellectual will do is to bring the explanation to the LOW level of the audience so that they can EASILY grasp it. Matthew 13:3-35
At John 3:12 Jesus said He uses earthly things(that's obvious) to teach but it's even difficult for His listeners to grasp so it's pointless trying to teach them heavenly things (that they can't even see)
What Trinitarians always claim is that TRINITY is a mystery, mystery means "cannot be understood or out of comprehension". So it can never be the fault of the one laughing at a doctrine that even those who claims to believe in it can't explain. John 1:1 has caused a lot of controversy amongst Bible scholars because many believes that the word WAS God means the word is presently not serving in that capacity, while others believes that the word is the Almighty. So on whatever side you find yourself, it becomes BARBARIC and most of all STUPID to become enraged at someone for his/her choice. undecided undecided

CAPTIVATOR:


Bro , I said Gruni1234 is a pretender and underground trinitarian on this thread , an objective researcher would have asked questions as Tatime said to uncover areas which might not have been evident to an average reader , Bro many trinitarians believe that there is an Angel In the old testament whose identity is Jesus . If you have the time check this trinitarian website , and you too Gruni1234, https://crossexamined.org/who-is-the-angel-of-the-lord/
it says in part it becomes evident that the angel of the Lord is none other than the pre-incarnate Christ Himself

johnw47:

we have seen how false jw's are false prophets
and so not of God.

johnw47:



who is enraged?

but you false jw tat of course cannot help throwing lies into your posts,
that's just a natural thing for you to do

like your god, when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally, Joh_8:44

TATIME:
If someone following this thread agreed with you after reading all these your stories but wants to become a Christian anyway, which religious group do you think he/she should associate with as Christians? Hebrews 10:24,25
For example i've been following all these information with those posted by your friends saying Jehovah's Witnesses are false, but i want to associate with Christians, what other better performing group are you presenting as Christians? Of course you'll not tell me i can be a Christian all alone in my house without associating with other Christians.

TATIME:
OK i'm ready to agree with your interpretation of the Bible but where should i go for worship as today is Sunday.

TATIME:
That's exactly my point! So if there is NO religious group that's following exactly what Jesus taught back then as you're saying now,how is Jesus to be referred to as Lord? I suppose Lord means a commander of a host of followers,and how can interested persons worship since all the groups around are business oriented?
Mr Gruni1234 can learn from what is VISIBLE not what he can't see! You're all doing well with the quoting of Bible texts but where can he go with his family for upbuilding talks and encouragement? (Hebrews 10:24,25) You've done so well in condemning Jehovah's Witnesses with all your time and energy but what's next? Should he just stay indoors and worship alone with his family? Remember that the one and only group that's going to meet people in their homes is Jehovah's Witnesses, apart from this group all others you're condemning now as money making ventures. So what religious group should he associate with for further enlightenment?
I want to believe you're all sincere and truthful with all these efforts made so far but it's compulsory that a group is presented for interested individuals to SEE and learn through them how Christianity should be PRACTICED. God bless you!

CAPTIVATOR:


energy spent typing the above unintelligible post would have answer those posts he made .

CAPTIVATOR:



Father is the Sovereign Lord. If your brain is working that render your question useless . just like you are assuming when asked where Peter called Jesus My Lord.



sense should have tell you that Jesus exist before David. That make him David's Lord, Jesus exist before the Father ? Zodiakzax you don't have sense



Angel is messenger , they tell you nah. Made better doesnt mean he wasn't one . right now he heads Angels whose voice will raise the dead ? Jesus or that of the arch angel . also, who is the Angel of the Lord who answers the name Yahweh ?



The wounds prove he wasn't raised bodily, abi you mean Jesus wasn't raised with a perfect body ? But dishonored one ? Bible said the dead are not raised with dishonor, don't go and say someone with hunchbak will he raised with such dishonor , or someone burnt by fire with such dishonor . use your sense nah. ... He only materialized like angels did in the past



One thing is certain, Yahweh has no Lord... So rule Yahweh out as the one been sent. Is that hard for u again ?



One God is just the Father - 1 Cor 8:6


Jesus is created Mr Man.
Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God. Rev 3:14. No assumption . even mountains are created, didn't he prove it by Act 4 vs 24 ?



respond to Barrister07 3 points why is taking you forever Sir ?

TATIME:
OK i'm ready to agree with your interpretation of the Bible but where should i go for worship as today is Sunday.

johnw47:

we have seen how false jw's are false prophets
and so not of God

here is a little on the contradictions of false jw's
written by a christian:


The Watchtower says it is God's only true organization: "Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402). It claims to speak for God, yet it has produced numerous contradictory statements. Therefore, it is not God's organization.

Who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave, the Watchtower Organization or Charles Taze Russell?

Watchtower Organization is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Jesus foretold that among his people there would be a "faithful and discreet slave" class who would be providing the spiritual food to God's family of devoted servants on earth, acting as his channel of communication and overseeing the carrying out of the Kingdom interests world wide. (Matt. 24:45-47) These anointed overseers serve as though being guided in their activities by the right hand of Christ," (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1969, p. 51).
Russell is Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of 'that faithful and wise servant,' and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1916, p. 357).
Watchtower Denies Russell ever claimed to be Faithful and Discreet Slave:
"From this it is clearly seen that the editor and publisher of Zion's Watch Tower disavowed any claim to being individually, in his person, that "faithful and wise servant." He never did claim to be such," (God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, 1973, p. 346).
Watchtower claims to be only organization to find scriptural guidance yet condemns the Vatican for doing the same thing.
Watchtower is the only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"We all need help to understand the Bible, and we cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the 'faithful and discreet slave' organization,'" (Watchtower, Feb. 15, 1981).
Vatican is only organization able to interpret the Bible:
"The Vatican belittles Bible study by claiming it is the only organization authorized and qualified to interpret the Bible," (Watchtower, July 1, 1943, p. 201).
Is Jesus supposed to be worshipped or not?
Yes, Jesus is supposed to be worshipped:
"Question: The fact that our Lord received worship is claimed by some to be an evidence that while on earth he was God the Father disguised in a body of flesh and not really a man. Was he really worshiped, or is the translation faulty? Answer: Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshiped, and properly so . . . It was proper for our Lord to receive worship in view of his having been the only begotten of the Father, and his agent in the creation of all things, including man," (Watchtower, July 15, 1898, p. 216).
"For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? And again: 'I shall be a Father to him, and he will be a Son to me'? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: 'And let all God's angels worship him,'" (New Heavens and a New Earth, 1953, p. 27-28).
No, Jesus is not supposed to be worshipped:
"He taught men, not to worship him, but to worship Jehovah his Father . . . 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God,'" (Make Sure of All Things, p. 283).
"What I learned was so different from what I had heard at the "Christian" school I had attended. Jehovah's Witnesses do not worship Jesus. Rather, they worship Almighty God, the One that Jesus himself worshipped," (Awake, Dec. 22, 1987, p. 22).


Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1941
Armageddon will be in 1914
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).
Armageddon will be in 1941
"Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon," (Watchtower, Sept. 15, 1941, p. 288).
Armageddon will be in 1914 or 1915
Armageddon is in 1915
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1915, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced." (The Time is at Hand, 1881, emphasis added. The date was changed to 1914 in a later edition.)
Armageddon is in 1914
" . . . the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878[3], and that the "battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914, with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time is at Hand, 1889, emphasis added).

OneJ:


@johnw47 :
U switched to another topic after your false trinity was battered & torn to shreds. Lol

Events of that period (1889) 200 years ago, have no bearing on the truth of God's word that JWs teach & practice today.

JWs are not perfect but more forthright & honest than U & your gods of men whose god is their belly AKA "I'm dangerously wealthy" upgraded from "my god is not a poor god". Phil3:19.

( Very soon the "wild beast" go show una hot pepper. U guys ain't seen nothing. Lol.)

U dey make empty noise for nothing , copy & paste falsehood.


Your Daddy GOs, pastorpreneurs & gods of men whom U idolize & worship ,breeze done blow , and their y**sh dey wide open....
Una yeye smell pass carbide.

"5 Old Beliefs Of Pastor Kumuyi of Deeper Life Which He Later Abandoned" (nairaland thread)

"FAKE!!!7 Prophecies By Top Nigerian Pastors In 2006 That Didn't Come To Pass"
https://www.nairaland.com

"Pastor Kumuyi: I Will Remove Some Doctrines Of Deeper Life ( Throwback Video)" (All these above are nairaland threads.).


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-37924086
"Nigerian preacher TB Joshua deletes prophecy...."

johnw47:


oh duh, the Word was with "the God", of course He was, the word was not with "a god"
john is talking about "the God" and he then says "and God was the Word"
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word

john is not talking about two gods there as false jw's believe in, a almighty god and a mighty god




Job_13:3  Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.

job wanted to speak to the Almighty and desired to reason with God, job is not talking about two diffrent gods there, with the Almighty being the definate article, (there is no "almighty" before God)
but job of course is talking off the one God


and there are many verses that support that the Word is God
do you remember false jw onej? yes you do, but you don't believe God which is calling Him a liar
as you do everyone else who posts God's truth here






it wouldn't even make sense for john to want to tell everyone that the Lord and saviour of the world is "a god"

but to show that Father and the Word is that one same Spirit which is God, makes perfect sense

TruthinAction:


There are many churches today where you can find the truth. There may be differences in some areas in practice but the central message is the same. Jesus came into this world to die for sinners. He rose again on the third day. Anyone who believes in him will have eternal life. So, any church where this gospel is preached is OK. A church does not have to have a widespread influence like the Jehovah witness organization for it to be accepted. Even if it's a church that has 10 members but they are preaching the truth, it's safer to attend than to be in the midst of misguided crowd. Over time, the church will certainly grow in numbers. If you tell me where you live, I can recommend several churches for you to choose from. But as for the Jehovah's witness, please don't go there. They are agents of darkness disguised as ministers of righteousness. Their doctrine will give you a straight ticket to the hell they said does not exist.

zodiakzax:


Pagan... where in the bible did it say we should worship on Sunday? Or a particular day? If you want to worship any time call me, link me up then we will worship,or have you forgotten when two or more are gathered God, our Lord Jesus is always there? ....

TATIME:
That's the only problem i'm having with all of you, Jehovah's witnesses have all the qualities of well behaved preachers yet you're saying they're not getting it right. I asked a simple question and the next thing is insulting me and calling me Pagan after i've decided to ask questions from the heart politely. The Bible said "gathering together" and "knowing my co~worshippers in person" in order to be acquainted with them as good examples. Hebrews 10:24,25 & 13:7
So how do i get to know if the person i'm linking up on social media is not a murderer, fornicator, adulterer, swindler and so on when i can't even see you in person . Psalms 1:1-3

TATIME:
What is Hell?

zodiakzax:


Who says we follow men, we follow one and that is Jesus Christ, whether pastor Bleep says this or that ooo, I careless, if his doctrine can't be supported by the truth of the scripture then He's fake and compromised..simple..stupid did we tell you we belonged to a particular denomination?

OneJ:


U dey deny your pastorpreneurs & gods of men because their y***h done open.. Lol

U teach & practice what Jesus never did, for instance, Trinity among others. U no even know Jesus.
Sottay , U tacitly denied your own posts on this thread.

Your Trinity was bashed & torn to shreds here. Now U guys shepaly shifted to another topic to save face.
if U ,zodiakzax get liver, name the "particular denomination" U belong.
Una dey hide behind NL monikers dey claim body of Christ who idolize gods of men (god of ole... ). Lols

zodiakzax:


JESUS will say "O thou of little faith" little Thomas, unless I see with my own eyes I will not believe.... ..stupid Pagan didn't I say call and we will link up? You don't need 100 10 to gather, only need 2, and the Lord Himself will be there... ..he's afraid of being killed, well blessed are those who for my name sake shall be persecuted and killed.... Why are you scared? ...Mr Muslim Man

zodiakzax:


Everlasting fire, a place for your organization

brocab:
{John 2:18-22} NWT Bible Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?”
Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
{Jesus said: He will raise Himself up in 3 day's {1 Corinthians 6:14, Acts 2:24} By His power God raised the Lord from the dead..
This must mean Jesus and the Father are One..
{Verse 20} The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?”
But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.

OneJ:


Even after U quoted the scriptures, U had to twist it to sweeten your falsehood.
Your god died and resurrected himself.
Dubious man.
John 2:22
"After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he (Jesus) had said."

Who resurrected Jesus? Or Jesus resurrected himself ?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.... when He raised him (Christ) from the dead and seated him (Christ) at his right hand in the heavenly realms"
Eph 1:3,20.

" I keep asking that (Yahweh) the God of our Lord Jesus Christ , the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom" to comot this mumu trinity from your brain.
Eph 1:17

Paul & JWs dey pray for your deliverance....
Press. 'exit' mode.
The ball is in your court.

OneJ:


Even after U quoted the scriptures, U had to twist it to sweeten your falsehood.
Your god died and resurrected himself.
Dubious man.
John 2:22
"After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he (Jesus) had said."

Who resurrected Jesus? Or Jesus resurrected himself ?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.... when He raised him (Christ) from the dead and seated him (Christ) at his right hand in the heavenly realms"
Eph 1:3,20.

" I keep asking that (Yahweh) the God of our Lord Jesus Christ , the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom" to comot this mumu trinity from your brain.
Eph 1:17

Paul & JWs dey pray for your deliverance....
Press. 'exit' mode.
The ball is in your court.

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