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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 7:28am On Dec 05
Arguments are for inexperience ones,that's why most people often turn their backs on Christlike qualities since they're not trained to answer others with mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15
But true Christians knows what is worrying them so we pray for them to be saved because we're sure they have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3
I'm sure by now Gruni must be worried reading through all the barbaric posts of his friends,full of all manners of curses and insults just because they wish to make a diffense for their contradicting and conflicting religious doctrines, or should i say because they want to silence a religious group who's faith is obvious through their WORKS! cheesy cheesy
So Gruni my friend, behold your Christian friends and their attitudes towards people having a different mindset! wink wink

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 8:29am On Dec 05
Christianity was commissioned by a young Nazarene called Jesus about 2000 years ago.
He taught, led and encouraged His faithful followers to "go and meet people in their homes". Matthew 10:11-15,28:19,20
When Christians get to the house of their prospective audience they display all the qualities that this young man taught them and tell people what God's Kingdom will soon do here on earth. But how are they going to make friends out of strangers who had their own different religious beliefs?
Well it's by being modest in speech and attitude! 1Peter 3:15
They strongly believe that Jesus is the Messiah (the anointed) who will rule the earth under God's direction.So no matter how people treat Jesus' name,Christians tried to help them grasp the importance of this young man in God's arrangement. Colossians 1:15,16 compared to Act 18:24-26
Everyone must become submissive to Jesus' orders that is those who are willing to live forever! John 3:16-18
So all these can't be learnt from someone you're NOT SEEING, because you must learn by hearing and examples just as Jesus taught His followers by examples. Romans 10:13-15,Hebrews 13:7
Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten it all by presenting themselves as ministers having plenty to do in the work of their Master,Lord and King( 1Corinthians 15:58) who told them "if you're truly my disciples, people will hate you and even call you servants of Satan" Matthew 10:22-25
Today what is the evil committed by this wonderful group? Well i can only figure out one :"they're claiming to be the One and only group following Jesus" that's all!
So while people honor God with their lips, true Christians honor HIM by their fine works! John 10:37,38,James 2:18-20,26
Jehovah's Witnesses do contact people through social media but the REAL teaching of God's word must be PRACTICAL. Deuteronomy 6:6,7
That's why we always direct interested ones to JWs closest to their abode so that they can learn how to become tolerant, humble, respectful and with self-control all from the pages of the Bible.God bless you!

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Gruni1234: 8:35am On Dec 05
OneJ:


mumu post of serial liars everywhere. Greek
theos basically means god / gods,goddess.
The Greek language does not distinguish upper case & lower case , as it is in English. Mumu people, theos is god.
Translators of the Bible into English changed theos to god/ God where appropriate.

John1:1a - in the beginning was the word
John 1:1b- the word was with the god (that's how it is written in Greek)
( John 1:1a/b , there is definite article "the"wink
John 1:1c - the word is god (no definite article there precedes "god", as it is in John 1:1b.

Therefore, indefinite article "a" must precede "god". Hence, Acts 12:22, 28:6,John 1:1c is
" a god." That's the rule of Greek grammar Your KJV knows this , but stuck to falsehood in John 1:1c.

The oldest Bible far older than any English Bible , the Sahidic Coptic Bible in John 1:1c reads. "a god".

"Every one who believes that Jesus is the Messiah has been born from God (Yahweh) and everyone who loves the parent (Yahweh) loves the child" - 1 John 5:1.
But , umu iberibe upgraded the child to usurp his parent by fire by force.
Lol
Una stupidity no go end.

Young Sir, I would like to ask some questions, I will be glad you can answer me and not ignore me.

From your speculation, you said because theos lack definite article it should translated "a god"

Now my question is:

1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?


2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?

Thank you
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 9:22am On Dec 05
Gruni1234:


Young Sir, I would like to ask some questions, I will be glad you can answer me and not ignore me.

From your speculation, you said because theos lack definite article it should translated "a god"

Now my question is:

1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?


2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?

Thank you
The truth is in black and white my friend. From all indications, all tribes and national groups on this planet believe in GOD of course each locality or family have a GOD. But it's the WORKS and INVINCIBILITY of the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that has made all these people claiming they belong to that same GOD. The only way to solve the riddle is to ask "who are those PRACTICING what the GOD of Israel requires from HIS worshippers today?"
There is another powerful and deceptive spirit, he also pretends to be the Almighty GOD and billions are worshipping him 'unknowingly". So it's only through the WORKS of a certain group that you can verify the qualities of the one and only true GOD! That's what the God of Abraham did by setting aside a people for HIS name, so that all other nations can learn from them sacred secrets regarding unseen event taking place!
Without a group no one can learn anything from the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel).
If you're truly sincere with yourself, why ignoring all these facts just to keep hammering on your trinitarian ideologies that's yielding NO virtuous FRUITS and NO meaningful WORKS!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 9:51am On Dec 05
Gruni1234:

Now my question is:
1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?
2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?
There is only one true God and all other intelligent beings must be submissive to that one and only God! HE made Moses like a God to Pharaoh of Egypt and made Jesus like a God before all His contemporaries. Both Moses and Jesus kept directing honesthearted individuals to the One who made them Gods. Deuteronomy 6:4 compared to John 20:17
Neither Moses nor Jesus is to be worshipped as "God" since they both directed people to worship their own God!
On the other hand Satan has blinded the minds of billions to be worshipping creatures instead of the Creator. Satan tried to steal the body of Moses to be using his appearance to deceive gullible Israelites into worshipping Moses but Jesus(Michael) stopped him! Jude 9
Satan knows that the deception to induce people into worshipping creatures either living or dead has been blown open so his is changing operations into telling them that they should worship Jesus (2Corinthians 11:14) but it's still the same logic "you don't need to be obedient to any rules since you're worshippers of Jesus" Whereas Jesus Himself said "you must know EXACTLY what His father ask you to do and KEEP ON DOING IT" John 13:17
So Mr Gruni1234, we are not in the position to tell you what you need to do but we're obliged to present to you the things that Jesus Christ taught His followers to be doing and how you can join the one and only group where you'll be encouraged(Hebrews 10:24,25) to keep on doing it so as to bear good FRUITS or permit me to say fine WORKS. 2Peter 1:5-8
God bless you!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Gruni1234: 10:05am On Dec 05
TATIME:
There is only one true God and all other intelligent beings must be submissive to that one and only God! HE made Moses like a God to Pharaoh of Egypt and made Jesus like a God before all His contemporaries. Both Moses and Jesus kept directing honesthearted individuals to the One who made them Gods. Deuteronomy 6:4 compared to John 20:17
Neither Moses nor Jesus is to be worshipped as "God" since they both directed people to worship their own God!
On the other hand Satan has blinded the minds of billions to be worshipping creatures instead of the Creator. Satan tried to steal the body of Moses to be using his appearance to deceive gullible Israelites into worshipping Moses but Jesus(Michael) stopped him! Jude 9
Satan knows that the deception to induce people into worshipping creatures either living or dead has been blown open so his is changing operations into telling them that they should worship Jesus (2Corinthians 11:14) but it's still the same logic "you don't need to be obedient to any rules since you're worshippers of Jesus" Whereas Jesus Himself said "you must know EXACTLY what His father ask you to do and KEEP ON DOING IT" John 13:17
So Mr Gruni1234, we are not in the position to tell you what you need to do but we're obliged to present to you the things that Jesus Christ taught His followers to be doing and how you can join the one and only group where you'll be encouraged(Hebrews 10:24,25) to keep on doing it so as to bear good FRUITS or permit me to say fine WORKS. 2Peter 1:5-8
God bless you!

My dear Tatime, you insult my intelligence when you tell me there's only One God and yet go ahead to say the other "gods" are intelligent beings. Yes the Torah is clear that Moses was made Like God, and Like God he is not God. Kindly support your claim that Jesus was made Like God to his contemporaries, of you can please.

Every Religion has it's own believes, medieval Greeks believed in many Gods and Goddesses, Egyptians believed in many Gods and goddesses, Romans the same etc the Muslim believe in only One God, and the Christians also believe in only one God. I believe we are all educated and can understand logic.

Kindly answer the questions I asked Young OneJ,

And to you I simply ask: is Christianity Polytheism or Monotheism?

Thank you
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 11:11am On Dec 05
Gruni1234:


My dear Tatime, you insult my intelligence when you tell me there's only One God and yet go ahead to say the other "gods" are intelligent beings. Yes the Torah is clear that Moses was made Like God, and Like God he is not God. Kindly support your claim that Jesus was made Like God to his contemporaries, of you can please.

Every Religion has it's own believes, medieval Greeks believed in many Gods and Goddesses, Egyptians believed in many Gods and goddesses, Romans the same etc the Muslim believe in only One God, and the Christians also believe in only one God. I believe we are all educated and can understand logic.

Kindly answer the questions I asked Young OneJ,

And to you I simply ask: is Christianity Polytheism or Monotheism?

Thank you
You're not sincere my friend, that's why you won't get any straightforward reply from someone who is honesthearted!
Remember you threw a question into the podium as if you're truly interested in knowing what commentators had in mind regarding your question, but hypocritically abandon the thought provoking question only to start making remarks regarding who is accurately informed as respect biblical doctrines! undecided undecided
So you're the cause of the neglect you're getting from sincere participants!
Your first question is "who can provide the evidence of the existence of God?" Someone seeing this will imagine an atheist is in the house, but instead of remaining focused on your question which any reasonable reader would like to see the response you dropped your own question and started judging those arguing! cheesy cheesy
I'm ready to answer any question from you but we must start from your first question or you tell me now if you're now convinced that there is God and give a sound logical explanation for believing in the existence of God. Then we can proceed to another question. wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 12:18pm On Dec 05
Gruni1234:


My dear Tatime, you insult my intelligence when you tell me there's only One God and yet go ahead to say the other "gods" are intelligent beings.
That's why i told you earlier that you can't learn anything tangible about God on social media. You have to sit side by side with the one TEACHING you face to face. For your information, i'm not just saying it it's right there in all versions of the Bible written in black and white. God sat in heaven to judge all living creatures presenting themselves as God before humans, whether they're flesh or spirit beings! Psalms 82:1,6
So God of the Bible said it HIMSELF that all other Gods are highly intelligent beings misleading lower intelligent creatures,not me Tatime but the author of the Bible!
HIS reason is because they can't make their worshippers happy since they're also creatures with limited knowledge, all they can do is to assist their worshippers to amass wealth and make such worshippers the target of all criminals. Matthew 6:19-21
The true God on the other hand taught US through HIS only begotten son that there won't be peace unless there is equity and justice. Luke 12:15-21
Therefore those accumulating riches will start living in fear all their lives because of the treasures they're storing here on earth! That's why you're seeing all your greedy pastors going about with fully armed bodyguards. cheesy cheesy
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:07pm On Dec 05
And you believe the world should join together becoming one mind, one soul and one heart..
TATIME:
So when Paul wrote that Christians have One God, he is simply emphasizing the need for oneness in thoughts, doctrines and teachings.
When Paul talks about One God he said it the it sounds, their is one God-one doctrine and one teaching-one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ.
The world is full of god's-but their is One God 'One Lord and Savour..
I can't see the differences between the Muslims god Allah, your god Jehovah, Krishna, Buddha or even Jupiter god-you all teach false gods, you all worship unknown gods, there is Only One true God-Jesus Christ is Lord of all Creation.
TATIME:
NO my friend! Indians believe Krishna is GOD, Orientals believe Buddha is GOD, Roman's believe Jupiter is GOD and so on. You can't distinguish between any of these deities unless you mention their names!
The title God simply connotes reverence, fear, submission or worship. So when Paul wrote that Christians have One God, he is simply emphasizing the need for oneness in thoughts, doctrines and teachings.
The title "God" was also used in ancient times for human rulers who have the power to determine the fate of their subjects, So my friend the title 'GOD" means nothing before them unless such so called GOD does something worthwhile just as you are demanding from those who claims to believe in God. Exodus 5:2-4
The irony of this is it's the same you that's demanding for evidence to prove the existence of God that's now defending the idea of one single God, it's that not awful?
Well let me help you out. Muslims are not worshippers of the true God, because they don't even know the name or the laws of Jehovah (the God of Israel). Moreover the Arab world are the first four nations to rule the world that's why they're trying to get back that dominance as they're convinced that Rome ruled longer because of the influence of the Catholic Church, they want to employ the religious system of politics.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:01pm On Dec 05
TATIME:
That's why i told you earlier that you can't learn anything tangible about God on social media. You have to sit side by side with the one TEACHING you face to face.
But we can learn the truth 'by just spending a little time reading our own bibles!
{Hebrews 8:11-12} For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest.
{1 John 2:26-27} I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His TRUE and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
The differences between you and the scriptures, is you don't preach the Word of God-this is why I recognise the spirit in you, it is not the Holy Spirit. So if you were to teach anybody-you would come claiming to know Christ-but you wouldn't finish your teachings with Christ!
Satan comes as a light bearer to deceive, even the elect!
To be honest I couldn't sit in anybodies home-knowing I am about to devour them, conviction would over shadow me, I would be crying out unto the Lord for my forgiveness, to teach somebody a false doctrine that does not belong to God-is a sin in it'self...
TATIME:
That's why i told you earlier that you can't learn anything tangible about God on social media. You have to sit side by side with the one TEACHING you face to face. For your information, i'm not just saying it it's right there in all versions of the Bible written in black and white. God sat in heaven to judge all living creatures presenting themselves as God before humans, whether they're flesh or spirit beings! Psalms 82:1,6
So God of the Bible said it HIMSELF that all other Gods are highly intelligent beings misleading lower intelligent creatures,not me Tatime but the author of the Bible!
HIS reason is because they can't make their worshippers happy since they're also creatures with limited knowledge, all they can do is to assist their worshippers to amass wealth and make such worshippers the target of all criminals. Matthew 6:19-21
The true God on the other hand taught US through HIS only begotten son that there won't be peace unless there is equity and justice. Luke 12:15-21
Therefore those accumulating riches will start living in fear all their lives because of the treasures they're storing here on earth! That's why you're seeing all your greedy pastors going about with fully armed bodyguards. cheesy cheesy
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 7:43pm On Dec 05
The trinitarian who disguised himself as an atheist is my main focus, not those who already felt they're OK with what they knew. Luke 5:32
It's hypocritical to hide ones identity because the spirit won't allow you to act perfectly during a Bible discussion(Hebrews 4:12) the intentions of your heart will drive you out of control and uncover your true identity!
So Mr Gruni1234, when next you're joining a debate on social media, try to speak the truth so that you can be helped, instead of hiding behind a finger!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses and our righteousness is from Jehovah(Isaiah 54:17) who's spirit is working out all that we're accomplishing because HE is always at work(John 5:17) so HIS worshippers are a formidable force that all the nations must IDENTIFY by our fine WORKS! Matthew 5:10-12,John 13:35,James 2:18-20,26 wink wink

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 9:08pm On Dec 05
brocab:

But we can learn the truth 'by just spending a little time reading our own bibles!
{Hebrews 8:11-12} For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest.
{1 John 2:26-27} I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His TRUE and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught.
The differences between you and the scriptures, is you don't preach the Word of God-this is why I recognise the spirit in you, it is not the Holy Spirit. So if you were to teach anybody-you would come claiming to know Christ-but you wouldn't finish your teachings with Christ!
Satan comes as a light bearer to deceive, even the elect!
To be honest I couldn't sit in anybodies home-knowing I am about to devour them, conviction would over shadow me, I would be crying out unto the Lord for my forgiveness, to teach somebody a false doctrine that does not belong to God-is a sin in it'self...
Everyone has his/her conviction regarding others practicing religions having contrary opinion. So let's keep DOING what we believe is right,while meditating thoroughly on the achievements of the group we're associating with. Because each person will render an account before the judge of heaven and earth, and it's clear that the group we belong will certainly have an impact on whatever we choose to do.
I strongly believe you can't agree with me neither am i going to agree with you since what i cherish so much is missing in your religion namely "WORKS". We've all tried our best to emphasize on how our divers religious beliefs seems in line with the Bible but it's just a pity that we can't agree on common terms. God bless you!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 10:42pm On Dec 05
OneJ:


mumu post of serial liars everywhere. Greek
theos basically means god / gods,goddess.
The Greek language does not distinguish upper case & lower case , as it is in English. Mumu people, theos is god.
Translators of the Bible into English changed theos to god/ God where appropriate.

John1:1a - in the beginning was the word
John 1:1b- the word was with the god (that's how it is written in Greek)
( John 1:1a/b , there is definite article "the"wink
John 1:1c - the word is god (no definite article there precedes "god", as it is in John 1:1b.


Therefore, indefinite article "a" must precede "god". Hence, Acts 12:22, 28:6,John 1:1c is
" a god." That's the rule of Greek grammar Your KJV knows this , but stuck to falsehood in John 1:1c.

The oldest Bible far older than any English Bible , the Sahidic Coptic Bible in John 1:1c reads. "a god".

"Every one who believes that Jesus is the Messiah has been born from God (Yahweh) and everyone who loves the parent (Yahweh) loves the child" - 1 John 5:1.
But , umu iberibe upgraded the child to usurp his parent by fire by force.
Lol
Una stupidity no go end.

oh duh, the Word was with "the God", of course He was, the word was not with "a god"
john is talking about "the God" and he then says "and God was the Word"
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word

john is not talking about two gods there as false jw's believe in, a almighty god and a mighty god




Job_13:3  Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.

job wanted to speak to the Almighty and desired to reason with God, job is not talking about two diffrent gods there, with the Almighty being the definate article, (there is no "almighty" before God)
but job of course is talking off the one God


and there are many verses that support that the Word is God
do you remember false jw onej? yes you do, but you don't believe God which is calling Him a liar
as you do everyone else who posts God's truth here






it wouldn't even make sense for john to want to tell everyone that the Lord and saviour of the world is "a god"

but to show that Father and the Word is that one same Spirit which is God, makes perfect sense

the verse makes perfect sense but not to a God hater


 

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 10:52pm On Dec 05
TATIME:
Arguments are for inexperience ones,that's why most people often turn their backs on Christlike qualities since they're not trained to answer others with mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15
But true Christians knows what is worrying them so we pray for them to be saved because we're sure they have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3
I'm sure by now Gruni must be worried reading through all the barbaric posts of his friends,full of all manners of curses and insults just because they wish to make a diffense for their contradicting and conflicting religious doctrines, or should i say because they want to silence a religious group who's faith is obvious through their WORKS! cheesy cheesy
So Gruni my friend, behold your Christian friends and their attitudes towards people having a different mindset! wink wink

oh duh, full of garbage tatime

those calling Christ "a god" are not Christian

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:01pm On Dec 05
TATIME:
Christianity was commissioned by a young Nazarene called Jesus about 2000 years ago.
He taught, led and encouraged His faithful followers to "go and meet people in their homes". Matthew 10:11-15,28:19,20
When Christians get to the house of their prospective audience they display all the qualities that this young man taught them and tell people what God's Kingdom will soon do here on earth. But how are they going to make friends out of strangers who had their own different religious beliefs?
Well it's by being modest in speech and attitude! 1Peter 3:15
They strongly believe that Jesus is the Messiah (the anointed) who will rule the earth under God's direction.So no matter how people treat Jesus' name,Christians tried to help them grasp the importance of this young man in God's arrangement. Colossians 1:15,16 compared to Act 18:24-26
Everyone must become submissive to Jesus' orders that is those who are willing to live forever! John 3:16-18
So all these can't be learnt from someone you're NOT SEEING, because you must learn by hearing and examples just as Jesus taught His followers by examples. Romans 10:13-15,Hebrews 13:7
Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten it all by presenting themselves as ministers having plenty to do in the work of their Master,Lord and King( 1Corinthians 15:58) who told them "if you're truly my disciples, people will hate you and even call you servants of Satan" Matthew 10:22-25
Today what is the evil committed by this wonderful group? Well i can only figure out one :"they're claiming to be the One and only group following Jesus" that's all!
So while people honor God with their lips, true Christians honor HIM by their fine works! John 10:37,38,James 2:18-20,26
Jehovah's Witnesses do contact people through social media but the REAL teaching of God's word must be PRACTICAL. Deuteronomy 6:6,7
That's why we always direct interested ones to JWs closest to their abode so that they can learn how to become tolerant, humble, respectful and with self-control all from the pages of the Bible.God bless you!

Jesus was talking about believers, not about those who change His truth into lies
saying the Word is "a god"
saying there are two gods a almighty god and a mighty god
and saying Jesus body was not raised


false jw's certinally are servants of satan:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Crysthaniel(m): 11:18pm On Dec 05
Gruni1234:


Young Sir, I would like to ask some questions, I will be glad you can answer me and not ignore me.

From your speculation, you said because theos lack definite article it should translated "a god"

Now my question is:

1.is theos always translated as " a god" whenever there's no definite article preceding it?


2. Are Christians Polatheist or Monotheist?

Thank you

@ Gruni1234 at least you claim to be on a neutral side
Please I want you to read and meditate on the Account of Revelation chapter 4 and chapter 5 thanks..
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:39pm On Dec 05
TATIME:
You're not sincere my friend, that's why you won't get any straightforward reply from someone who is honesthearted!
Remember you threw a question into the podium as if you're truly interested in knowing what commentators had in mind regarding your question, but hypocritically abandon the thought provoking question only to start making remarks regarding who is accurately informed as respect biblical doctrines! undecided undecided
So you're the cause of the neglect you're getting from sincere participants!
Your first question is "who can provide the evidence of the existence of God?" Someone seeing this will imagine an atheist is in the house, but instead of remaining focused on your question which any reasonable reader would like to see the response you dropped your own question and started judging those arguing! cheesy cheesy
I'm ready to answer any question from you but we must start from your first question or you tell me now if you're now convinced that there is God and give a sound logical explanation for believing in the existence of God. Then we can proceed to another question. wink wink

lying false jw tatime, you cannot answer his questions and are running away from them
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:51pm On Dec 05
TATIME:
The trinitarian who disguised himself as an atheist is my main focus, not those who already felt they're OK with what they knew. Luke 5:32
It's hypocritical to hide ones identity because the spirit won't allow you to act perfectly during a Bible discussion(Hebrews 4:12) the intentions of your heart will drive you out of control and uncover your true identity!
So Mr Gruni1234, when next you're joining a debate on social media, try to speak the truth so that you can be helped, instead of hiding behind a finger!
We're Jehovah's Witnesses and our righteousness is from Jehovah(Isaiah 54:17) who's spirit is working out all that we're accomplishing because HE is always at work(John 5:17) so HIS worshippers are a formidable force that all the nations must IDENTIFY by our fine WORKS! Matthew 5:10-12,John 13:35,James 2:18-20,26 wink wink


false jw tat, of course you need to keep reassuring yourself on those falsehoods in your most every post
and i like to keep showing you who you really are:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 12:17am On Dec 06
Crysthaniel:


@ Gruni1234 at least you claim to be on a neutral side
Please I want you to read and meditate on the Account of Revelation chapter 4 and chapter 5 thanks..

are there pythons and rainbows in those chapters?

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#71972959

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#72001292
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:33am On Dec 06
zodiakzax:


Try to shut up and read carefully, if you can't read and understand go andgive it to someone to do so. That's not even the point he was making.... illiterates....pagans

Shouting as usual, thank God " a god " is not a wrong translation

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:43am On Dec 06
zodiakzax:


Silly little girl, idiot.....Now you have mouth to talk, when you lied and you were confronted did you respond, now you can talk.... stupid if Jesus wasnt raised in that body why did he have the nail prints in his hands and legs and his pierced side, liars

the question should be if truly he was raised in that body, he shouldn't have those marks and wounds , should he ? According to Bible, The dead are buried in dishonor but will be raised in Glory. Are you telling us Jesus was raised with dishonor of wounds and those scars ? Contradicting the bible ?

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:48am On Dec 06
zodiakzax:


Who is one Lord? You are here shouting God alone is Lord, no Lord above Him, Who is the one Lord? You will see he will run away like a scared dog..


the issue is who is the one God . and that has been answered . the Father, if you want to argue who is the one Lord it's baseless , Jesus was Made Lord by his Father. So he earn it by privilege . Bible said God made him Lord ( Act 2:36) , Who is the one God, ? Thank God you can't counter that one.

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 12:52am On Dec 06
CAPTIVATOR:


grin grin grin grin grin Bro , I said Gruni1234 is a pretender and underground trinitarian on this thread , an objective researcher would have asked questions as Tatime said to uncover areas which might not have been evident to an average reader , Bro many trinitarians believe that there is an Angel In the old testament whose identity is Jesus . If you have the time check this trinitarian website , and you too Gruni1234, https://crossexamined.org/who-is-the-angel-of-the-lord/
it says in part it becomes evident that the angel of the Lord is none other than the pre-incarnate Christ Himself


zodiakzax see your fellow trinitarians

Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:56am On Dec 06
TATIME:
I strongly believe you can't agree with me neither am i going to agree with you since what i cherish so much is missing in your religion namely "WORKS". We've all tried our best to emphasize on how our divers religious beliefs seems in line with the Bible but it's just a pity that we can't agree on common terms. God bless you!
Your works without faith is dead-if I was to say that I emphasize my religious beliefs towards anybody, and I didn't come preaching the Word of God, then I would say I have works without producing my faith..
But if I have faith 'then I have works: your works is based on door to door preaching about Watchtower literature-you don't see my works because your blindness keeps you from seeing my works working together by my faith in Christ.
It's a pity you don't recognise truth, even if it was standing at your door 'you keep it closed..
{James 2:17-18, 24} Faith Without Works Is Dead Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
{Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
TATIME:
Everyone has his/her conviction regarding others practicing religions having contrary opinion. So let's keep DOING what we believe is right,while meditating thoroughly on the achievements of the group we're associating with. Because each person will render an account before the judge of heaven and earth, and it's clear that the group we belong will certainly have an impact on whatever we choose to do.
I strongly believe you can't agree with me neither am i going to agree with you since what i cherish so much is missing in your religion namely "WORKS". We've all tried our best to emphasize on how our divers religious beliefs seems in line with the Bible but it's just a pity that we can't agree on common terms. God bless you!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by CAPTIVATOR: 1:02am On Dec 06
Gruni1234:


You see my dear, first of all let me make this clear. The book of Hebrews makes it clear that Jesus was and is not an angel. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong according to what Hebrews says. I will challenge a Christian Trinitarian or not to prove otherwise. I am presented with the fact and truth and i go by it, I see A and know it's A, so why do you tell me it's B when what you are using to support your claim is base on assumption and speculations. Evidence I have of your own bible says He's not An angel. Now if Yahweh gives his name to an angel, does that make that Angel Yahweh?

Interesting, one error of trinity shown
grin grin not at all, same applies to Jesus . he is a "representative from God" NOT Yahweh himself - John 7:29


Hebrews tells us no angel was begotten of God. Only Jesus was/is. That's a fact presented to me. And I will go by it. Unless the bible contradicts itself. Do you know it as an angel that appeared to Moses in the burning bush? Do you know it was an angel that told Abraham not to kill Isaac? You Christians assume so much yet know little about the Torah.

Dont misquote , Who are his fellows at verse 9 ?

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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:26am On Dec 06
What did Jesus do, when He was at the well, He asked for water-what does a JW do, refuses, because of a trust issues-so does this mean you are still Christ like..
If you were truly a friend of God, would you call His Word barbaric, Do you still believe-you can travel through time, without bible knowledge, Don't you realise not only "Gruni" we are all learning the scriptures from each other..
And because Gruni is seeking after bible knowledge, you should be encouraging him to seek some more, "Unless you don't accept the truth of Christ through bible knowledge!
TATIME:
Arguments are for inexperience ones,that's why most people often turn their backs on Christlike qualities since they're not trained to answer others with mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15
But true Christians knows what is worrying them so we pray for them to be saved because we're sure they have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3
I'm sure by now Gruni must be worried reading through all the barbaric posts of his friends,full of all manners of curses and insults just because they wish to make a diffense for their contradicting and conflicting religious doctrines, or should i say because they want to silence a religious group who's faith is obvious through their WORKS! cheesy cheesy
So Gruni my friend, behold your Christian friends and their attitudes towards people having a different mindset! wink wink
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 2:10am On Dec 06
CAPTIVATOR:


the question should be if truly he was raised in that body, he shouldn't have those marks and wounds , should he ? According to Bible, The dead are buried in dishonor but will be raised in Glory. Are you telling us Jesus was raised with dishonor of wounds and those scars ? Contradicting the bible ?

@bold, you false jw cap believe Jesus wounds and scars are a dishonor to Him,
they don't come any more evil than you satans mob, that's for certain

@underline, Jesus never sinned, He was neither buried in dishonor or raised in dishonor

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 2:19am On Dec 06
CAPTIVATOR:


zodiakzax see your fellow trinitarians

of course you false jw captivator like all false jw's cannot stop lying

if you wanted to be truthful you would have said "zodiakzax see a fellow trinitarian"

but you satans mob like to lie, which is just talking naturally for you:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 2:51am On Dec 06
brocab:

Your works without faith is dead-if I was to say that I emphasize my religious beliefs towards anybody, and I didn't come preaching the Word of God, then I would say I have works without producing my faith..
But if I have faith 'then I have works: your works is based on door to door preaching about Watchtower literature-you don't see my works because your blindness keeps you from seeing my works working together by my faith in Christ.
It's a pity you don't recognise truth, even if it was standing at your door 'you keep it closed..
{James 2:17-18, 24} Faith Without Works Is Dead Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
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I would have loved this debate if we're making any progress in the discussion.
"FAITH" according to Apostle Paul of blessed memories "is the assured expectation of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen".Hebrews 11:1 Though i'm not so much good in English class but at least i can grasp the words "assured expectation" "hope" and "demonstration". To me these three words connotes specific actions taken to show none participants that those WORKING certainly have something they're "hoping" for even though such things aren't visible to those around them!
So if you're now convinced that Paul should have stated it the other way round as in "works without faith is dead" then you should realise that it's not my fault for working towards my faith because that's what i read in my own Bible "faith without works is dead"
Of course some Israelites were busy trying to work out there salvation by the WORKS of the Mosaic Law, but it's only by putting faith in the blood of Christ that can save. Yet putting faith in the blood of Jesus to me still means doing certain things that this new mediator commissioned. Moses brought the 600 laws and those putting faith in it will surely be able to recognise the Messiah when He arrives but putting faith in the Messiah is what can bring everlasting life. Both of them need WORKS but while one must come to an end at the commencement of the other, the second will continue to be in operation till eternity! Hebrews 7:11,12 compared to Luke 1:33
That's why Paul said Christ is the END of the law (Romans 10:4) but that doesn't implies that in Christ there is no WORKS, it simply means that whatever a believer would do as WORKS for God henceforth must be in accordance with what Jesus (Christ or Messiah)commanded! Philippians 2:12,4:8
Once again i'll say thanks my dear friend, God bless you!
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by TATIME: 3:20am On Dec 06
brocab:
What did Jesus do, when He was at the well, He asked for water-what does a JW do, refuses, because of a trust issues-so does this mean you are still Christ like..
If you were truly a friend of God, would you call His Word barbaric, Do you still believe-you can travel through time, without bible knowledge, Don't you realise not only "Gruni" we are all learning the scriptures from each other..
And because Gruni is seeking after bible knowledge, you should be encouraging him to seek some more, "Unless you don't accept the truth of Christ through bible knowledge!
Sorry my friend this post escaped my notice!
Well Jesus and His friends or followers were going from village to village and preaching about God's Kingdom in all Israel to both Jews and Samaritans, the lady is from the nearby Samaritan village and so Jesus seized the opportunity to preach about God's Kingdom to her. John 4:34 Notice that Jesus likens His preaching to FOOD and WORK!
There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22
The Greek text translated "PREACH" could also be rendered to plead as in begging someone to have a change of mind towards something, that's why a Christian must always be watchful of his utterances. 1Peter 3:15 compared to Psalms 19:14
You can do well to read through the comments or posts of those claiming Christians in this podium and imagine how Jesus will react if He should stand at a distance watching those who are PLEADING with a supposed unbeliever whom to them needs changes as in mindset! Matthew 5:43-48 embarassed embarassed
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 5:17am On Dec 06
TATIME:
But how are they going to make friends out of strangers who had their own different religious beliefs?
Well it's by being modest in speech and attitude!


and that's also how you wolves in sheeps clothing appear, modest in speech and attitude, wanting to appear as a lamb, some of the time,
but of course some false jw's speech and attitude shows your true colors though:

OneJ:

zodiakzax guy dey showcase him stupidity ,serial lies & unrivalled mumu.
Trinity doctrine fry him brain for breakfast.

see your lies

a christian not always being mild in speech and attitude
is far far better than a false jw's idiotcy and habitual lying

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false jw's are among the peoples Jesus was talking and prophesying off there
they are an org. of false prophets and more
later or tomorrow i will post some of false jw's false prophecies
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by OneJ: 7:18am On Dec 06
johnw47:



and that's also how you wolves in sheeps clothing appear, modest in speech and attitude, wanting to appear as a lamb, some of the time,
but of course some false jw's speech and attitude shows your true colors though:



see your lies

a christian not always being mild in speech and attitude
is far far better than a false jw's idiotcy and habitual lying

Mat_7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

false jw's are among the peoples Jesus was talking and prophesying off there
they are an org. of false prophets and more
later or tomorrow i will post some of false jw's false prophecies



Everyone who viewed this thread is already aware that your other 4 fingers have judged & condemned U.
Because U no fit disprove all the scriptures that contradicted your flawed doctrine , u dey hide behind flimsy excuses.

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