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Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:18pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: once again, the sons of the LORD in Heaven psalm 89:6 is referring to the angels and the fact that bible verses do compare Jesus to the LORD shows that psalm 89:6 does not refer to Jesus oh duh but of course you false jw jozz know nothing and of course Father and the Word is the LORD, john 1:1 that the angels in heaven cannot be compared to Psa 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. there are many bible verses showing that Jesus is God - Jehovah - LORD, if you want me to post them again |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 11:43pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
PastorAIO: Oga Pastor, u can not twist this one at all !! Your excuse are invalid. In the Greek interlinear @ John 20:17, Jesus said "The Father of me & Father of you" "God of me and God of you" Thomas & Jesus other disciples perfectly understood what Jesus said (with or with out definite article). That is, the Father of Jesus is the same Father of Thomas. Like wise, the God of Jesus is also the God of Thomas The Oga of JESUS na the Oga of Thomas. Shikena ! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:44pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
There is to much evidence to prove Michael was never Jesus-Michael was Israel's Archangel, nor was Michael ever called to be Jesus in the flesh, 'confused one! Which of the Angels did God ever say, you sit Here. None!! {Hebrews 1:5} So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”… Look what happened to Lucifer-wanting to be like God-He was cast out of Heaven-Jesus said: you shall worship One God and Him only you shall serve.. {Hebrews 1:12-14} But to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?… {Jude 1:9} Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you! If Michael was Jesus with a new name-then Michael would have rebuke Lucifer without a problem, like Jesus rebuked Satan in the desert, and again why didn't Michael say to Lucifer I rebuke you-instead he said: the Lord rebuke you-reasons one Angel can not rebuke another Angel "simple. And when we look into it further, the Angel said to John, do not worship me, I am a follow servant with you ''John. {Revelation 22:8-9, 19:10} And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!” {Daniel 12} is out of context-confused one, if you were to search the Scriptures Michael is the Archangel a signed to Israel-Hebrew Bible From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!! Michael is mentioned three times in the Hebrew Bible {the Old Testament} all in the Book of Daniel. The prophet Daniel experiences a vision after having undergone a period of fasting. {Daniel 10:13-21} describes Daniel's vision of an angel who identifies Michael as the protector of Israel. At {Daniel 12:1} Daniel is informed that Michael will arise during the "time of the end". The Book of {Revelation 12:7-9} describes a war in heaven in which Michael, being stronger, defeats Satan. After the conflict, Satan is thrown to earth along with the fallen angels, where he ("that ancient serpent called the devil" still tries to "lead the whole world astray" In the Epistle of {Jude 1:9} Michael is referred to as an "archangel" when he again confronts Satan. TATIME: 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 12:25am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Jozzy4: i see, so you false jw jozz disbelieve the former verses and believe the later verses, when of course both are true God is Father and the Word, john 1:1 the Word-God became man, verse 14 thomas was talking of Jesus being God john was talking of Jesus being the Son of, God the Father Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. there are no conflicts there, except for those who know nothing with no understanding and who want to see conflicts, you know nothing jozz don't believe the Bible but you do believe your witchpower magazine the Lord and Saviour of the world Jesus Christ is both man and God Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 12:34am On Jan 19, 2019 |
johnw47: Stop being foolish!!!! Johnw lying Pharisee & educated illiterate, why U no get sense ? "And expressed image of his person" is another way of saying 1) Jesus is the spitting image of his Father . 2) Jesus is 'almost exactly like his Father.' 3).Jesus na carbon copy of his Father. If your sense no fit reset, at least don't forget say carbon copy no be original. Jesus is NOT Jehovah. "Jesus sat down on the right hand of the Supreme Majesty, Jehovah God. Jehovah did not sit down at the right hand of himself (except u be gubernatorial candidate for Yaba/Uselu State)... The Word was with God, that is one spirit being & another spirit being, two persons. (* With > "in the company or presence of somebody" Sourced from Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of Current English, Sixth Edition). *Fact: The popular John 1:1 is a fraud. Your three faced pagan triune god is an "office of three gods!" Na one of their Trinity crew member wey popular for NL talk am. Idol worshippers dey form Christian. Your lie fits those who whose thinking faculty is corrupted by virus. We can see through your lies, conjectures & outright falsification of scriptural texts to make your dogma look nice.. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 1:11am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: false accuser false jw jano you agree with scripture that: "Jesus is the express image of His Father" unlike the angels as per psalms 89:6 read my post again and see if you can for once accept truth Janosky: YAHWEH Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. Jesus Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: YAHWEH Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Jesus Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; YAHWEH Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Jesus Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe. YAHWEH Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. YAHWEH Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption. Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Jesus Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. YAHWEH Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Jesus Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. YAHWEH was pierced Jesus was pierced YAHWEH Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Jesus Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Janosky: duh, of course Jesus did not sit down at the right hand of Himself, He sat down at the right hand of His Father, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 Father and the Word(God) sit on the Throne of God, double duh Janosky: triple duh, of course Father and the Word are two persons in the one God they are two persons having the one spirit that is God, not two spirits-two gods as you false jw's believe, go back and read again the verses i posted, but believe them, oh know nothing Janosky: laughing, you will never understand or believe oh son of your father: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 2:26am On Jan 19, 2019 |
So was Thomas wrong when he called Jesus 'The God of Me'? Is that what you. Mean? And by the way, I don't have a horse in this race. Whether we prove that jesus is god or not doesn't bother me. I've also argued extensively that John chapter 1 does not say ' and the word was god. My concern is with what the bible says in certain parts and what that means. Janosky: |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 3:41am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: false jw jano Father is the God of Jesus, doesn't say Jesus is not God it shows that Father and Jesus are two persons, and john 1:1 shows those two persons is God Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, and as many other scriptures show Father Himself right after He showed that Jesus is not an angel, showed that Jesus is God: Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:29am On Jan 19, 2019 |
zodiakzax: Silly one, u have arrived . Welcome Jesus has no sons , no one is called son of Jesus . but son of God . Jesus is not our Father - John 20;17 Instead Jesus and all the angels are all ' Sons of God [ the Father ] No son of God is Yahweh , and Jesus is a son - Psalm 89:6. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:31am On Jan 19, 2019 |
johnw47: Psalm 89:6 refer to Jesus. Jesus is a son too Is Jesus not a son ? U are a 419 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:39am On Jan 19, 2019 |
zodiakzax: 419, No son of God is Yahweh, Jesus is " a son." Hebrew 5:8 Silly one, May I remind you again of John 20:17, where Jesus acknowledged he isn't our Father ? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:50am On Jan 19, 2019 |
zodiakzax: Playing with words , that's how liars operate Can be or can BECOME ? Can be what exactly ? For a couple to become one flesh, they are formally singles ,. which means they are not always like that. That's why the verse use " Become " . So I want you to clarify and see if your Trinity can stand that!!! I dey wait , can be or can BECOME ? Chai, chai, chai, someone is in hot soup The One God is never spoken of as two person's - Eph 4:6. The one God is the Father of all. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 5:58am On Jan 19, 2019 |
PastorAIO: The same reason the Greek scriptures writers didn't retain the original name . 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 6:26am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Jozzy4:They're all frustrated and pained to their marrow! Jesus gave a clear command "Go and preach (in greek PLEAD) with people in their homes" Arrogance, ego,selfishness, strife and pride is hindering them from obeying God's son. Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously and industriously doing it all over the earth but they're mocking saying "it is Satan's spirit that's accompanying JWs to KEEP doing this good work" Matthew 10:25,12:24-27 So they're now hiding FACELESSLY on social media to keep arguing bitterly. Please let them go and face their neighbors. Many of whom they've cursed, abused,committed sexual immortality with,duped,behaved indecently to. Of course they can't, so they'll rather go and stand like madmen talking into the hear to avoid confrontations since they're not in good terms with people in their neighborhood! Jesus' voice wasn't heard IN THE STREET because He ONLY GOES TO MEET PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES. Matthew 12:19 It's only when people gather to hear Him that He take them to a quiet place to teach them(Matthew 5:1,2) NOT just making unnecessary noise in the street talking indiscriminately into the air! That's why all these ones are puzzled and confused so they feel like arguing bitterly against Jehovah's Witnesses on social media FACELESSLY! 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 6:28am On Jan 19, 2019 |
PastorAIO: Your first point was this : " In the LXX they use Kyrios instead of YHWH. Kyrios means Lord. They very well knew that name, but recognised that in the LXX it was translated as Kyrios and it was the LXX they were using, including Jesus. " You at first claimed LXX only used Lord, not until u are challenged on the above. You came around acknowledging LXX also uses YHWH, only to call it abbreviation. Forgeting : YHWH is not an abbreviation , in that case the entire names penned down in the Hebrew scripture would all be abbreviations . Keep in mind that unlike English, Hebrew need no vowels to be written down.
For something to be substituted, it was there In the first place. I actually pointes out to you that copies of LXX dates to Jesus day was found with the divine name in Hebrew letters TO counter your initial point that the LXX Jesus used could nt have the name within it. It clearly does, which is why he could said he made the name known.
Kyrios will forever remain a substitution. For the original Hebrew text to preserve the name , and copies of LXX retaining the Hebrew letters found, it's obvious where kryrios comes from. In Jesus day, copies of LXX with the divine mame.exist. Thats the point 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 7:02am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Jozzy4: duh, know nothing false jw jozz the psalm is referring to the angels Jesus unlike them can be compared to the LORD no i'm not a 419, but you sure do love to lie like your daddy: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 7:35am On Jan 19, 2019 |
TATIME: false jw tatime the frustration is all with you false jw's but speaking lies is your natural way of speaking christians have shown here where you are wrong and you have been 237 pages trying to show us you are right, smile you will all go another 237 pages of your repeated garbage and confusion and lies and we will keep on showing you with God's word, which you don't believe, that you are wrong Ecc_7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 7:55am On Jan 19, 2019 |
PastorAIO: Oga Pastor, the scriptures can not be broken. According to Thomas, Jesus is God of me,i.e Jesus is God to him (Thomas). Jesus already clarified that Yahweh is "God of me ,Jesus and God of you ",Thomas. Oga Pastor, why is it hard for u to accept & admit that Jesus & Thomas had the same Father & the same God? The so called "Pastor" can not admit that Yahweh has no God. Lol |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 8:31am On Jan 19, 2019 |
johnw47: "Two persons is God", u be pagan ni. dey show your true colour. The popular john 1:1 is a fraud ! Two different spirits can not be one spirit. Except u no get sense..... U have agreed on this thread that Jesus is NOT the Father , therefore, Jesus is not the one God whom the Father is. 1cor8:6. Jesus is lord & Christ,(Anointed him). His Father & his God ,jehovah made Jesus Lord. Acts2 :36. U dey quote heb1:9 wey dig holes for your lies. "Therefore God, your God", that is Jehovah the God of Jesus , anointed Jesus with oil above his fellows . Johnw lying Pharisee, who are Jesus fellows or "thy fellows " of Jesus? oya answer am. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 9:09am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: know nothing jano of course you don't believe God: Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. would you like me to post again other bible verses showing that Jesus is God? Janosky: so you keep lying Janosky: two diffrent spirits are not one spirit, duh two diffrent spirit beings are the one Spirit that is God look back for the scriptures i gave Janosky: oh duh, ha ha, Father and the Word is God, Jesus is the Word not the Father, both is God you will never understand or believe Janosky: your confusion is unbelievable Jesus is Lord, of course he is Father made Jesus Lord and Christ, yes good Father is Jesus God, yes He is Jesus fellows is referring to His apostles-disciples, you didn't even know that, funny Father anointed Jesus above them and where does any of that show that Jesus is not God oh know nothing false jw jano i have explained all of this before, more than once and with scriptures, go back and read them, or i should say, believe them, laugh and you just keep asking the same things over and over again which is the way of false jw frauds which is the way of satans mob: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 9:24am On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: false jw jano, i'm not speaking for aio of course, but for me Jesus is God to thomas, true Father is God of Jesus, true thomas and Jesus do have the same Father God, yes of course YAHWEH has no God, true, YAHWEH is God YAHWEH God is God and the Word, john 1:1, plus all the very many other scriptures that i have posted showing that Jesus is God |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Hairyrapunzel: 6:33pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
I hope barrister07 is OK. I haven't heard from him/her since. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 9:00pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Hairyrapunzel:NO matter how you're detached from those you're supposed to Love, brotherly affection will continue to hunt you! Jehovah is keeping us in HIS Love, it's those who are leaving that HE is waiting for to return to HIM. So Hairyrapunzel,you can still RETURN TO JEHOVAH! |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 10:34pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
johnw47: Your lies dey speak for u nau... Johnw lying Pharisee & educated illiterate keeps reinventing his lie, "of course YAHWEH has no God.... YAHWEH God is God and the Word" johnw pls stop making yourself look foolish. When will this lying Pharisee receive sense? Only Yahweh knows. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 10:53pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: oh duh false accuser jano truly "YAHWEH has no God": Deu_6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD truly "YAHWEH God is God and the Word": Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. two persons in one Jehovah God do you want me to post the Jehovah - Jesus verses again? but pharisee false jw jano, keep on lying about the truth like your pharisee forefathers did: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 10:55pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
pharisee false jw jano your forefathers said Jesus done His miracles by the power of beelzebub(your god the devil) and today you pharisee false jw's say, Jesus isn't God, He is "a god" one of two gods, almighty god the father and mighty god the son, laugh |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Janosky: 11:14pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
johnw47: Johnw lying Pharisee is a carbon copy of his lying father (John 8:44). Johnw lying Pharisee, "thy fellows" or Jesus fellows were not his disciples. " To which of the angels did God (YAHWEH) ever say: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Heb1:4,13. YAHWEH never anointed himself to sit at his right hand. He anointed Jesus his son & whom he created alongside his other angelic sons. He anointed Jesus & gave him an inheritance above other angels. Heb1:1-14, the narrative has no reference to Jesus disciples Mumu lying Pharisee, only an inferior being (the son, Jesus).receives inheritance from his Superior,his Father & God, YAHWEH. That is the due process in heaven & here on earth . Your lies have found u out johnw lying Pharisee. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:21pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee false jw jano @bold, you talk about yourself in nearly every post what i say to you in truth you repeat back in lies but then you are of the father of lies: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:24pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee jano of course your confusion and lies are endless oh son of your daddy devil it's an inheritance above the angels, not an inheritance above other angels lying pharisee jano Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:27pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: lying pharisee jano Mumu was a favorite saying of OneJ, are you jano also OneJ? your angry confused accusing posting style is the same OneJ hasn't posted since you jano started posting i quoted OneJ and he never replied, etc. etc. was he banned for foul mouth? or is it that false jw's just love deception almost as much as they love lying? |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:32pm On Jan 19, 2019 |
Janosky: oh duh lying pharisee false jw jano, and twister of the truth the verse concerning Jesus fellows is Psa_45:7 and not Heb1:1-14 the only common ground in psa and heb is that Jesus is called God Psa_45:7 has no reference to apostles and disciples, duh, it has no reference to angels either, but what's that to you pharisee jano, a lying twister of God's word did you see this one, oh cannot stop lying pharisee jano; https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people/236#74929486 |
Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 12:10am On Jan 20, 2019 |
Jesus talking off false jw pharisees hypocrites(old and new) and other sons of satan: Mat_23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. |
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