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| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 7:27pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
Janosky: Not True!! They never removed the divine name because of it being to holy or whatever. The removed the vowels so that only those who knew it could call on it. So they wrote it YHWH. That is why till today so many outsiders who are trying to claim don't really know the true name. So some people will say Jehovah, others will say Yahweh, and still others will say Yahwooh, and others just Jah. In the LXX they use Kyrios instead of YHWH. Kyrios means Lord. Janosky: Matthew 22 43Jesus said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him Lord? For he says: 44‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, until I put Your enemies under Your feet.”’ 45So if David calls Him Lord, how can He be David’s son?” Here we have Jesus quoting from the LXX as he does so many times throughout the gospels. You seem to believe that the Jews did not know Yhwh was the name of their deity until Jesus came and told it to them. That is false. They very well knew that name, but recognised that in the LXX it was translated as Kyrios and it was the LXX they were using, including Jesus. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:21pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
Janosky: now now false jw copycat jano just because i truthfully show how you lie and are confused etc. etc. etc. there is no reason to falsely accuse me of those same things, which is just adding to your lies but then you are just taking after your father the devil: Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 11:40pm On Jan 14, 2019 |
Janosky: false jw jano God is a Spirit, Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, so Father and the Word are one God - one Spirit Janosky: false accuser jano @bold, i have never said that, that's just more false accusing from you and your daddy devil Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 12:00am On Jan 15, 2019 |
Jozzy4: oh duh duh duh blinded false jw jozz once again: God the Word and God the Father is the one true God, two persons who are the one true God, john 1:1 not two gods as you polytheists false jw's believe in, almighty god the father and mighty god the son, Almighty and Mighty are two titles - names for the one true God, want scriptures? just ask Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ^^^ two persons who are the one God confused and blinded false jw jozz, you neither understand or believe God's word, of course, Jozzy4: did he, i certainally wouldn't take an assignment from one of satans mob Jozzy4: i haven't got enough duh's for you false jw jozz of course YAHWEH our God is one YAHWEH = the Lord our God is one Lord = God is one God, not two gods as you false jw jozz believe in God is Father and the Word, two persons in God, john 1:1 but you false jw jozz are blinded to truth YAHWEH is a name for God Father and the Word is God = Father and the Wotd is YAHWEH, john 1:1, plus many more, ask and i will again post verses showing that Jesus is God, and that Father and Jesus is YAHWEH = is God 2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 12:39am On Jan 15, 2019 |
Jozzy4: false jw jozz Psa 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD? the sons on the mighty are the angels, none of the angels can be compared to the LORD on the other hand the man Jesus Christ is compared to the Lord often in scripture: Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; @blue, Father and the Word sit on the Throne of God = Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 1:00am On Jan 15, 2019 |
Janosky: false accuser, bad mouth, and know nothing jano God is a Spirit, John 4:24, and Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, so Father and the Word are one God - one Spirit Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. oh quadruple duh |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 4:15am On Jan 15, 2019 |
the Septuagint Bible translating old testament hebrew to greek, translates YHWH to Kyrios, and Kyrios appears about 740 times in the Greek New Testament, usually referring to Jesus Jesus/Kyrios and Jesus/YHWH, as so many scriptures show: YAHWEH Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. Jesus Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: YAHWEH Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Jesus Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; YAHWEH Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Jesus Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe. YAHWEH Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. YAHWEH Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption. Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities. Jesus Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. YAHWEH Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Jesus Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. YAHWEH was pierced Jesus was pierced YAHWEH Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call. Jesus Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 7:28am On Jan 15, 2019 |
You nor suppose dey fear to quote my name like this na.... johnw47: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by johnw47: 10:30pm On Jan 15, 2019 |
PastorAIO: fear to quote your name?? i don't always quote the names of some articles i post also 1. because it's not necessary, except to let know that the writer is a christian in those cases 2. opposers are not able to mock the writer explain yourself by the way, you must be confused, this is the part you wrote:
not the major part of my post that you quoted, which of course i wrote |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:51am On Jan 16, 2019 |
Are you sure you are somewhat of some kind of a some sort a JW-after listening to you-no-one would look twice at the JW's..If you are having trouble understanding the truth about the scriptures, it's simple to ask-didn't the Watchtower teach you how to be nice? Or is this something you will learn at a further date!! Janosky: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:27am On Jan 16, 2019 |
The JW's also removed YHWH from their bible, changing the "Y" to a "J" calling Him Jehovah which should sound Yehovah! besides that the JW's keep on changing their bible every year, by removing and adding scriptures pleasing themselves-and expecting the world to follow-where God told them not too.. PastorAIO: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 12:35pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
PastorAIO: LXX retaining the divine name in Hebrew Characters as far back as first century has been discovered , enlighten yourself bro. If that's the case and modern versions contain kyrios, What went wrong ? I think the answer is simple |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 12:39pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
johnw47: Don't be silly, if the sons of the Mighty are angels , who is their Father ? Is Jesus not also a son.  |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 12:44pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
brocab: Y change the Y in " Yirmiyahu " to J in Jeremiah also? Y change the Y in Yeshua to J in Jesus ? Are u this ignorant and silly Sir ? |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 12:48pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
PastorAIO: We do not need to question every encounter of God , context helps a lot , the question is why would John quickly follow up that event of Thomas at verse 28 , saying immediately at verse 31 . " But these has been written down so that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of God " - John 20:31. Objective analysis to help a sincere person know his true identity |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:21pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Ignorant of you, your argument belongs to you! We never changed the scriptures, nor did we add to them-the Watchtower removed and added the scriptures that shouldn't be done..If you have kept to bible knowledge in the first place-you wouldn't need to chop and change from YHWH to Jehovah. You would believe God and His every Word..But you don't "Hypocrite!!! "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in... “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men.{This is a very good description-whom you stand for!} Jozzy4: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 1:26pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
brocab: You just showed u are an empty barrel that's making noise. Since you can't respond to that which u gave you. Keep shut |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:36pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4:Then how come you are always in a non agreement-when the Word of God in mentioned-when we agree Jesus is the Son of God, and He is One with God. You are a lair when you say, you know Christ and you refuse to believe His every Word, Jesus is the Son of God-He is One Heart Mind and Spirit and soul with His Father, the Son of God-not the archangel Michael-you claim Him to be-out from wrong interpretations. The God of the bible is the living God-He came in the flesh and lived among Men. This is the God we worship, the only true God 'He died for all man kind: to Live as He lived.. Jozzy4: 1 Like |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:40pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Only to you, I am empty-but when there is Christianity concerned, you are not concerned..but a lair and a snake, and there's no truth found in you! Jozzy4: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Jozzy4: 1:46pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
brocab: Liar, no wonder u can't defend your lies when faced with Facts. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 3:58pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: Try and think, please. Even the LXX that didn't use Kyrios had YHWH. YHWH is an abbreviation of the Divine name. You, sir, do not know the divine name of the Hebrew diety. You Do Not. You shoot yourself in the foot by making a big deal out of something that you are totally ignorant of. You made a false claim that early Christians took the divine name out of the New Testament and substituted Kyrios. My point is that the substitution was already done long before Christianity even came into existence. Further it is not 'modern versions' that use Kyrios as you claim. There are ancient versions using Kyrios. You are trying to sell the idea that all LXX originally had YHWH and only recently was that changed to Kyrios. That is a lie. You may shout jehovah jehovah all you want but the fact is that you don't even know whether or not Jehovah is the name of the Hebrew deity. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 4:04pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: You make a good point here sir. Why? Since it is so important to you that the proper name is used then why do you call him Jesus and not his original name? 2 Likes |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by PastorAIO: 4:16pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: Yes we do need to question every encounter of God. Can you mention one encounter with God in the bible that wasn't actually an angel instead? 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:37pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Obviously you didn't understand my page-it wasn't just about the Y or J-it's about the complete turn around you JW's have done to try to destroy the bible' You call God Jehovah and you call His Son Jesus-why not change His name too? History of the word Jehovah It is interesting to understand how the word Jehovah was derived, as the history of the word shows why the word is incorrect. In an unfortunate stroke of the pen the Watchtower Society chose to adopt the rendition of YHWH that has least resemblance to the original name and incorporates the very reason the exact pronunciation is unknown. Ancient Hebrew did not contain vowels and so the pronunciation of words was handed down. In order to preserve the pronunciation of the Hebrew language, the Masoretes created a system for introducing vowels into the Hebrew language during the ninth century A.D. However, when it came to YHWH, rather than putting the correct vowel signs, they put vowel signs for Adonai (Lord) or Elohim (God), in order to remind the reader to use the word Lord or God instead of the name of God. Adonai (Lord) was predominantly used, however, in passages where Adonai and YHWH appeared together, Elohim was used instead, to avoid repetition of the word Lord. As proposed by the 19th-century Hebrew scholar Gesenius, it is generally accepted that mixing the vowels for Lord and God with the consonants YHWH that led to the manufacture of the hybrid word Jehovah. Hence, it was the effort to avoid pronouncing God's name that led to the manufacture of the hybrid word Jehovah. "The form Jehovah is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin. The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew. "Yahweh-the personal name of the God of the Israelites . . . The Masoretes, Jewish biblical scholars of the Middle Ages, replaced the vowel signs that had appeared above or beneath the consonants of YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or of Elohim. Thus, the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) came into being. Although Christian scholars after the Rendssance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh. Early Christian writers, Such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used the form Yahweh, thus this pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was never really lost. Greek transcriptions also indicated that Yhwh Should be pronounced Yahweh." The first time the Tetragrammaton appeared in an English Bible was on the title page of William Tyndale's Bible translation of 1525, where it was written as Iehouah. This was an interlace of YHVH and Adonai. The King James Version also originally used Iehouah, influenced by the Ben Chayim codex. The King James Bible changed the spelling to Jehovah for the 1762-1769 edition. Combining YHWH with Adonai is referred to as interlacing, fusing or superimposing. It could hardly be considered accurate or respectful. The illogical fusion of the sacred Name with the vowel points of another name is shown in the preface to The J.B. Rotherham Emphasized Bible: "To give the name JHVH the vowels of the word for Lord [Heb. Adonai], is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name Germany with the vowels in the name Portugal - viz., Gormuna. The monstrous combination Jehovah is not older than about 1520 A.D." The Watchtower argues that Jehovah is acceptable as it is a translation. And where this info came from 'there is plenty of it, if you would just let your fingers do the walking and push the right buttons, this information is everywhere to be found.. Jozzy4: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:00pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
The JW's didn't believe to change Jesus name, because before He arrived on earth-He was Michael the archangel, and after He returned back into Heaven Jesus is 'Michael the archangel  PastorAIO: |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:14pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: ..So two persons can become one abi? So why is it difficult for you to understand the trinity that 3 persons can be one also... ..you've answered it yourself stupid idiot... |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:20pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: You are still being stupid.....Jesus is Yahweh, Jesus is the One Yahweh.. 1cor 8, Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, at least the Jews and John understood that he that is the only Son of God is God himself and that was why they wanted to kill him... Jesus is the Mighty God, everlasting Father... Jesus is the Creator of all things ... You are stupid, if Jesus created all the angels including Michael and Gabriel, why do your stupid cult say Jesus is Michael...bunch of retards... ... illiterates.. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:24pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4:  what's the difference betwen everlasting Father and our Father... mehn you guys are so stupid and dumb..... who is the Eternal Father? Is he not our Father? ... same Isaiah said Jesus is our Everlasting Father..... same Isaiah said Yahweh is the Mighty God, same Isaiah said Jesus is the Mighty God...e pain you die... |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:36pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: ..stupid idiot... look at your stupid explaination, They knew who Jesus was, not a random being appearing to them, so for Thomas to call My God and My Lord means He Aknowledges Jesus as God...stupid fool.... who spoke in the burning bush? Who stopped Abraham from sacrificing Isaac, etc, was it an angel or God... only God can answer prayers, Jesus said ask anything in my name and I will do it.... stupid fool |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:49pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Janosky: ..stupid idiot.... So what was the name Jesus mentioned?? If Jesus said i have made your name known then show us where Jesus used Yhwh as Gods name? Stupid assumptionist... If Jesus made Gods name known why did He says we should say Father? Why did Jesus Himself call him Father and not by His name? Yahweh, Jehovah etc are not God's name my friend, the name is YHWH and the probunciation of that name has been lost.. what we now have is formulated name to help us pronounce the real name of YHWH.. So your Jehovah and Yahweh isn't the real name of YHWH... Why is Jehovah in the book of revelation, the Greek word for that is kyrious which means Lord, simple, under which authority did your stupid cult use Jehovah in revelation when revelation wasn't written in Hebrew?... stupid idiots.. |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by zodiakzax: 5:56pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
Jozzy4: ..and who is the Mighty?....stupid fool..Jesus is the Mighty God, Jesus is the One Lord... Jesus is the Begotten Son of God, all angelic beings are created, we humans are also sons of God because He is our Father and creator.. Angels and humans are The sons of Jesus because he is their creator.Jesus is the Creator, Jesus is Yahweh |
| Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Nobody: 9:46pm On Jan 18, 2019 |
brocab:Before coming to the earth Michael is the archangel (leader of all heavenly armies) Daniel 12:1 After been transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin and born as human Jesus is His name! After completing His earthly assignment and returning to heaven,Jesus was given a new name that above every other name,but He is still under the one who gave Him such name. 1Corinthians 15:27,28 It's just simple, unless you want to complicate issues and turn everything upside down so that neither you nor your audience will be able to explain easily! |
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