I always knew America was interfering in Haiti because Whites are still annoyed that blacks slaves in Haiti had the audacity to take control of the country out of the hands
of the colonial masters. However i never knew they went as far as deporting a sitting president to another nation.

@caps28.  I completely lost my respect for Tudor the moment he started arguing that Messiah of the bible was white, this was because he claims to be an atheist, yet he still believes the Messiah was white. Despite that he has no reference for such a stand other than what he has been taught in the past as regards a White Messiah.

Repatration to Africa is probably part of the reasons why Abiola was killed, cus i think part of his personaly views is that repatration should be done.

- Its unfortunate the most African leaders are more or less western puppets hence i am not suprised that non of them is pushing through the repatration concept.

No2Atheism:



I always knew America was interfering in Haiti because Whites are still annoyed that blacks slaves in Haiti had the audacity to take control of the country out of the hands
of the colonial masters. However i never knew they went as far as deporting a sitting president to another nation.

@caps28.

I completely lost my respect for Tudor the moment he started arguing that Messiah of the bible was white, this was because he claims to be an atheist, yet he still believes the Messiah was white. Despite that he has no reference for such a stand other than what he has been taught in the past as regards a White Messiah.

@topic


- Yes Mugabe is corrupt, nevetheless a corrupt mugabe is still better than an imperial white nation.
- The last foiled mercenary coup in Equitorial Guinea is the example that Whites are still actively carrying out their imperialistic tendencies in African and most of the world where there are resources which they seek to exploit.


Any white man holding land ownership illegally in africa i.e. by inheretance should be relieved of the land and deported, i have nothing against any white man who actually bought the land. However i am totally against any white man who inherited stolen land.

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- Repatration to Africa is probably part of the reasons why Abiola was killed, cus i think part of his personaly views is that repatration should be done.

- Its unfortunate the most African leaders are more or less western puppets hence i am not suprised that non of them is pushing through the repatration concept.

@Tudor
Demand for repatration by Africa is not wrong and neither is it a sign of being without initiative, considering the so called developed countries have likewise requested and accepted the same. Hence you logic as concerned repatration is a little bit flawed.

Well Zimbabwe I’m afraid isn’t unique and there are other countries against which we have targeted sanctions. I immediately think of Burma for example. But of course there are other countries in Africa where we have strong conditionality on the nature of our relationship with those countries. I’m sorry to say that there are very, very many people in many parts of the world that live under atrocious regimes. But you see Zimbabwe is a country which we all have enormous affection for and strong historical links with the country, that is why there’s great concern on the part of Europeans and others about what is happening in Zimbabwe.

What happens in Zimbabwe affects what happens in South Africa and other parts of Southern Africa. We want to get Africa as a whole on the move and on the road to prosperity and proper democracy and in a way Zimbabwe is the litmus test for this. If we can get Zimbabwe moving in the right direction this will give great hope to so many others across Africa. And the first thing, and I’ve always said this, is that you need to have good governance, in other words the country needs to be properly run for the people and for their benefit not for the benefit of 203 people who happen to be keeping Mugabe in power. And of course the reason those people are so desperate to have these restrictive measures removed is not because they are concerned about the people of Zimbabwe, if they were concerned about them they’d have changed a long time ago. No they want to get on their aeroplanes with their wives, go on their shopping expeditions to Paris and London and all of these places, line their pockets – that’s what they want to do and that will be on the backs of the Zimbabwean people. We don’t think that’s right.

Tudór:

It has gotten to an embarrassing low that these people (crowning themselves psychics and mind readers) shamelessly twist the words of sincere fellows in order to make them fit into their anti-western sentiments and conform to their ridiculous neo-colonialistic conspiracy theories. . . . I laugh!

It pains you that a westerner can be so sincere and truthful?
It eats you up inside that africa's problem is so accurately depicted by an european. . .ha ha ha. . .eat your heart out!!

Lwandle:

An ordinary westerner maybe sincere and truthfull Tudor but its the idiots in gvt and in the multinational corporations who have vested interest in our resources that you need to keep an eye out for!

As it is you will forever be beyond redemption you no longer have your own wits about you.

Lwandle:

Fortissimo so you witnessed what Zimbabwe was in 1999 almost 20 years after independence being led by one President Robert Mugabe.

How would you explain how a country ruled and run in an orderly fashion for 20years by Mugabe can suddenly come to a screeching halt in 7 or so years? amid claims of mismanagement levelled on Mugabe and his government!
What you witnessed my friend was the cumulative effects of the sanctions imposed on our country by the defacto rulers of this world!

A typical Nigerian who will insult others based on differences of opinion and when such insults are responded to in kind he/she will begin to complain and claim to be the aggrieved. The unwarranted insults by idiots like you have made a lot of good posters leave this section of the forum and it is strange that you do not even know why many have left.

As regards your statement that you used to respect me I must state here and now that I do not need idiots like you to respect me, just stick to the issues raised on the forum.

Credible news source to you just as some of the so called financial services consultants have gone bankrupt. What parameters do you use to determine or establish credibility of anything?

Tudór:

It wont!
Not until the free world see changes or the tyrant is either dead or deposed.

FBS:

Free world my foot. Should they because of one person make the whole country suffer? This is nothing but vendetta.
Democra[b]Z[/b]y (yes that's what it is) is not meant for all countries. . .at least not in the way the West sees it. It doesn't happen that way.

Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, in a rare interview Thursday, depicted himself as an African hero battling imperialism and foreign attempts to oust him rather than the widespread perception of a dictator clinging to power at the expense of the welfare of his people and country.


Robert Mugabe says sanctions against his country are "unjustifiable."

The 85-year-old Mugabe, the only leader of Zimbabwe since it became independent from Britain in 1980, rejected repeated assertions by CNN's Christiane Amanpour that his policies have driven the nation once known as Africa's breadbasket to virtual economic collapse.

Instead, Mugabe accused Britain and the United States of seeking to oust him by imposing economic sanctions, the effects of which he said were worsened by years of drought.

He denied that his country is in economic shambles, saying it grew enough food last year to feed all its people, and defended policies that have driven white farmers off their land as properly restoring that land to indigenous Africans.

"The land reform is the best thing (that) could have ever have happened to an African country," said Mugabe, a former revolutionary leader who came to power when white-ruled Rhodesia became black-ruled Zimbabwe. "It has to do with national sovereignty."  Watch Mugabe on his controversial land reform program »

It was Mugabe's first interview with a Western television network in several years, and he appeared to get frustrated with some of Amanpour's direct questioning, repeatedly denying widely accepted evidence and reports on his nation's woes.

Mugabe denied that his ZANU-PF party lost elections in 2008 that forced him to accept a power-sharing agreement with his chief rival, Morgan Tsvangirai, who now is prime minister. Violence surrounding the disputed election, much of it against opposition supporters, further damaged Zimbabwe's standing, but Mugabe rejected any blame on Thursday.

"You don't leave power when imperialists dictate that you leave," he insisted. "There is regime change. Haven't you heard of (the) regime change program by Britain and the United States that is aimed at getting not just Robert Mugabe out of power but get Robert Mugabe and his party out of power?"

He also waved off Amanpour's assertion that the power-sharing arrangement is not working, and that opposition political figures are continuing to get harassed and arrested.  Watch Mugabe talk about power-sharing »

Asked about Roy Bennett, a white opposition figure who has yet to be sworn in as agriculture minister a year after formation of the power-sharing government, Mugabe stammered before saying Bennett faces charges of "organizing arms of war" against Zimbabwe. He added that he's heard the prosecution lacks evidence in the case, but said he won't agree to swearing in Bennett until after any charges are dropped.

Mugabe also denied any responsibility for harm to the nation from his economic policies, instead blaming what he called "unjustified" and "illegal" sanctions that he said were intended to bring regime change.

"The sanctions must be lifted. We should have no interference from outside," Mugabe said. "The continued imperialist interference in our affairs is affecting our country adversely."

When Amanpour challenged him by saying most of the sanctions were directed at individuals, rather than economic entities, Mugabe said she was wrong.

"The U.S. sanctions are real sanctions, economic sanctions. Have you looked at them?" he said. "It's because of sanctions, mainly."

Amanpour tried to push the point, saying outside observers blamed his policies and not sanctions. "Not everybody says so," Mugabe cut her off. "It's not true."

He also rejected criticism from South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize winner for his role in the anti-apartheid struggle, who has accused Mugabe of turning Zimbabwe into a "basket case" and repressing his own people.

"It's not a basket case at all," Mugabe said. He later called Tutu's comments "devilish talk" and added: "He doesn't know what he's talking about, the little man."

On the takeover of white-owned farms -- a policy blamed for undermining the agriculture sector -- Mugabe displayed the African nationalist fervor of his revolutionary days.

"Zimbabwe belongs to the Zimbabweans, pure and simple," he said, then adding that white Zimbabweans -- even those born in the country with legal ownership of their land -- have a debt to pay.

"They occupied the land illegally. They seized the land from our people," Mugabe said. When Amanpour pressed him on white farmers being forced off their land, he shot back, "Not just off their land. Our land."

"They are British settlers," he said, later calling them "citizens by colonization, seizing land from original people, indigenous people of the country."


Asked if would run again in elections likely to take place in 2011, Mugabe refused to answer, but denied he feared defeat and again rejected charges of past electoral wrongdoing.

"Elections don't go all that smoothly all the time in many countries," he said, tossing a jab at the United States. "Look what happens elsewhere. They didn't go smoothly here, look at what happened during the first term of Bush."

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/09/24/zimbabwe.mugabe.amanpour/index.html

davidif:

AFAM, YOU ARE A VERY VERY VERY STUPID IDIOT. OLOSHI OLORIBURUKU.

"Zimbabwe belongs to the Zimbabweans, pure and simple," he said, then adding that white Zimbabweans -- even those born in the country with legal ownership of their land -- have a debt to pay.

"They occupied the land illegally. They seized the land from our people," Mugabe said. When Amanpour pressed him on white farmers being forced off their land, he shot back, "Not just off their land. Our land."

"They are British settlers," he said, later calling them "citizens by colonization, seizing land from original people, indigenous people of the country."

Tudór:

No to human rights abuse!!
No to election rigging!!
No to tyrrany!!

Lwandle:

AMANPOOOR was just that very poor she did not do any research whatsoever and I even felt ashamed for her and in particular for CNN!

Mugabe rightly put her in her place!

TUTU together with SENTAMU are ignoramuses of the highest order and are just condoms to be used and abused however and whenever by their masters!

How I wish Africa had more MEN like MUGABE and GADDAFI we would be a power house and brook no bullshit from any1.

Tudór:

When people make ridiculous shortsighted statements as this I honestly begin to question their sanity. . . .what a pity.

Lwandle:

TUDOR is a perfect example of the type of African the WEST wants to see in power!! They will use high sounding words like DEMOCRASY RULE of LAW to get such ignorant ass kissing african puppets into power.

Self-hating with a dibilating inferiority complex completely brainwashed who religiously repeats and believes all the nonsense spouted by his masters! He is in the same league as the Savimbis' Mobutus and Dlakamas of this world!

These are the type of africans we must ensure never get any where near to power

Lwandle:

TUDOR is a perfect example of the type of African the WEST wants to see in power!! They will use high sounding words like DEMOCRASY RULE of LAW to get such ignorant ass kissing african puppets into power.

Self-hating with a dibilating inferiority complex completely brainwashed who religiously repeats and believes all the nonsense spouted by his masters! He is in the same league as the Savimbis' Mobutus and Dlakamas of this world!

These are the type of africans we must ensure never get any where near to power

cap28:

very true, however its really difficult, becaue the CIA are allocated billions of dollars by the US govt specifically for destabilising governments that are perceived as a threat to the US's "interests" so what you have is huge sums of money being offered to africans who are more than willing to jump at the chance to make money and sell their own people out. 

i  watched a documentary the other day about an ex CIA agent who talked about how he "groomed" Savimbi and prepared him for his role, you could see from his analysis of africa that he didnt see africans as equals and he referred to african countries with puppet leaders as "client states"  they were trained, and financed by the whites and then put into power by way of military coups.  he also talked about mobutu and how "invaluable" his services were to the CIA.  he said that the CIA preferred using people of questionable moral character eg Idi Amin, Noriega of Panama (drug dealer and CIA agent), Saddam Hussein, the Shah of Iran, Marcos of the Phillipines, Suharto of Indonesia and so many others too numerous to mention.

cap28:

very true, however its really difficult, becaue the CIA are allocated billions of dollars by the US govt specifically for destabilising governments that are perceived as a threat to the US's "interests" so what you have is huge sums of money being offered to africans who are more than willing to jump at the chance to make money and sell their own people out.

i watched a documentary the other day about an ex CIA agent who talked about how he "groomed" Savimbi and prepared him for his role, you could see from his analysis of africa that he didnt see africans as equals and he referred to african countries with puppet leaders as "client states" they were trained, and financed by the whites and then put into power by way of military coups. he also talked about mobutu and how "invaluable" his services were to the CIA. he said that the CIA preferred using people of questionable moral character eg Idi Amin, Noriega of Panama (drug dealer and CIA agent), Saddam Hussein, the Shah of Iran, Marcos of the Phillipines, Suharto of Indonesia and so many others too numerous to mention.

Lwandle:

i HAVE SEEN THIS DOCUMENTARY most interesting because you then begin to understand how all these idiots were able to wage wars with well fed well armed rebel forces in some instances for decades. A more recent example is that idiot Nkunda from the DRC.

These devils will use every trick in the book to try and get their way!

They will continue to perpetuate this myth that US BLACKS are hopeless basket cases who cannot rule ourselves and only delight in raping and killing each other!

We really have to wake up and be aware of all their neo-colonial machinations so as to frustrate them at every turn!
These CIA fronts aka NGOs also really need to be dealt with seriously coz through them our governments and sovereignty are undermined!
Divide and rule is their favourite tactic in Africa[b] you only have to look around and see all the tribal and religious conflicts happening all around us to know something is very wrong with us!
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They will fight tooth and nail to maintain and pepertuate their racist priviledges at our expense!

Afam:

100% correct especially the content in bold.

Each time I see an African leader stand up to these murderers and thieves that effortlessly destroy other countries for their own selfish interests I believe that all hope is not lost. Only if Abacha had not died by now Nigeria would have made serious progress through self actualization as he never bothered with the hypocritical West.