You guys cannot even come up with concrete tangible reasons as to why African countries, especially below the Sahara are in such bad shape. Cmon, I know we can do better than this,

I've made a bunch of posts here and so has other people showing that your assumptions are wrong. I see how you're smart enough to avoid the good posts but instead keep talking about how people are insulting you. You should reply to the good posts or let me make a wild guess, you really do not have any replies because your idea has no solid basis to begin with.

If you wanted a good discussion you should reply to those who have given you good opposing arguments as to why the white man is not the answer. The truth is that you have nothing to say except cry about how people are insulting you, makes no sense.

We need European ( English Premiership mostly)  League Football Live on Public TV Stations.
We need European Football Coach
We need European Weightlifting Coach
We don't need European ( We need American) Basketball Coach.
We don't need European NFA Chairman ( We had some in the early days on an Independent NFA)
We don't need European Sport Minister.
We don't need European Head of State.
We need European Head of Government ( or Maybe Head of Civil Service )
We need European Bespoke Suits ( Our Tailors are Lazy )
We need European Shoes ( Our's are Aba Made)
We need European Leather belts
I will add some more ,

well! well!! well!!! i can understand where anti europeans are coming from and where they are going to.
the truth here is that in words we do not want them but in practice, we need them and practically they are controlling us.
among you all, i would want one of u to confidently tell me he/she is not made of europe dresswise and otherwise.
they are practically in charge. our leaders feel unwhole without having investments there. 99% of our daily needs depends on their supplies.
even with the ban madness of the presidency, none of our leaders can boost of living in his house with nigerian made furnitures or house hold utenciles.
the plain truth here is that our leaders do not have confidence in themselves and anyone having confidence in them is doing so at his own risk.
if u are afraid of the truth death is a better option, look at our football, how many home based players are in a supper eagles. talk about coach-eguavon- na waa. our leaders all i say all must have studied abroad.
good and big projects in nigeria and other african countries are been handled by foriegn companies. our national airline has been handed over to an american businessman so nigeria as we are talking now we do not have have a national airline.
with the horrors of babangida's regime, one can imagine what is going to happen in his second coming and then we will be able to compare ibb with the white aparthied.
we need the europeans and they are already here yet to take over the governance.

We Need A European Leader To Fix Nigeria?

The topic itself betrays a gross lack of understanding on the part of the poster. How could anyone think of bringing white folks to come make Nigeria right? It's true thats there's no black nation standing on its feet today, but are you not aware of the systematic domination and exploitation by the whites? Are you not aware of the heartless way they divided Africa amongst themselves thereby resulting in the un-ending wars and conflicts on the continent today?
Show me one black nation the white folks have not exploited.

Nigeria's leadership crisis today is not because black people are incompetent. Far from it. It's because the good ones stay away from politics for various reasons. We leave our destiny in the hands of grossly-incompetent people and we then turn around to complain about our crisis. Until educated and experienced people get into the political scenario in Nigeria, this vicious circle will continue.

Black people are capable and do not need white folks to come re-colonize them.

Well probably if we apply the Kepner-Tregoe problem solving model to the question at hand, that could possibly be the solution.

1. Define the Problem
2. Describe the Problem
3. Establish possible causes
4. Test the most probable cause
5. Verify the true cause

Shango raised some points that are both valid and I would sadly agree that they are quiet strong too, but nevertheless that does not mean his recommended solution stand validity or I agree to it ,

If I were to hastily generalize that the group of people that responded to his post with personality attacks were the same group of people that he could possibly be refering too, as lacking the necessary skills of leadership, I could be tempted to agree to his recommended solution, but thats not the case here.

When someone attacks the personality of another person rather than giving tangible supporting arguments that counteracts the subjected person's argument, then the attacker, does not have anything to say against the subject of discuss, hence the logical position would be to discredit the subject initiator by attacking the subject initiators personality by making fallacious statements which sadly shouldn't come especially from that particular group.

Are blacks incapable of ruling themselves?
Giving examples by making assumptions that we "needed" the Christian missionaries and conquestidors to bring us modern technology as the reason that points to the lack of leadership, doesn't make sense?

Does it? What you said was literally; Blacks are incapable of ruling themselves because they did not innovate modern technology.

Another reason of yours is :

We openly invited colonisers to take over our lands with not so much as a fight raised. If we weren't colonised we would still be running half naked in the bushes.


Well Liberia and Ethiopia are African countries that were not colonized, and from what I do recollect they do wear clothes, or don't they? If there is an exception in regards to the point you raised, then it does not stand validity? or Does it? Besides it still does not provide a supporting fact on why Africans cant rule themselves?


The richest country in Africa is Nigeria, with the worlds greatest export, yet we are still third world, and countries like the Netherlands with no natural resources to speak of has a higher literacy rate than even the United States.

Now this might be a good point if not applied into relation to what you are suggesting. I don't see the link between leadership and literacy rates? Really I don't. Or does anybody sees any?

Maybe you might want to address that more?

Here is the truth:

http://nigeriaworld.com/columnist/uzokwe/112402.html

so i guess case thrown out! nigerians simply refuses to take on their responsibilities! lets not wallow in slavery mentality! black man inability to organise himself and work for his welfare for good!

yes superman once again say excuses excuses excuses! funi how some people believe in the jumbo preponderance as if that the answer to our wahala! u crazy monkey brain! you are part of the problem! u could laugh if u want but u crazy.

just because nigeria is  fc    uuuuuuuuuuuuuuk e d up blown back and lagging behind does not necessary means everyone  me u and you and you and you should leave the country searching for greener pasture as they claimed. however i think there is an advantage here course we gona take what we ve gained here back home bulid up the place. now question what can you offer in the near future. ha what can u offer. dnt wori about superman by the grace of god i got my master plan that in gods willing quote me nigeria will rise. my friend we are soldiers believe in ourselve and the man upstairs god that in the near future all yall slavery furstrated sold out slave will eat your words. yes go on and  have  a laugh.

no matters what some people say u will always be wrong take it leave it and again you will always be part of the problem ! u will always be course and you know. one wonder as bad as nigeria is nafdac still have muther fukas running in exile !

now dnt make decision when u are mad at nigeria hence your slavery head talkin blah balh

god bless nigeria! in due time soldiers we will rise to make impact. no bulllllllllll      s$$$   hit

thank u who needs eurpeans, like the mess they cause across africa is not enough, you see the madness and slave mentality? ask yourselves one of the reasons , i say one, many african countries cannot trade on an equal playing field with those bloodsuckers is becos they dont give a shit. I can seen them now reading the moronic posts and laughing at the stupidity. I won't even contemplate such an idea ,talk less ask the people here if this is wat we need. Those answering and writing essays as if its a thesis appear very stupid. What do they say no common sense.

Many soldiers are there hiden away, many gems are yet undiscovered or quashed for greed , like everything these bad leaders will die and go rot in hell and hopefully the hiden gems will emerge to do right by their father land.

You think europeans are good ppl? smarter? lai lai. u think they know their ass from thier elbow? pls their countries may run better but be under no illusions they have many sinister and repulsive systems in their so called democracies.

An european to fix us? TUFIAPKA, I VOMIT . gO AND ASK UR BROS AND SIS IN SA, ZIMBABWE, NAMIBIA ETC AND THEY WILL NOT ONLY CURSE YOU FOR ASKING BUT CURSE those who bore u.

you no like wetin i talk ? GKAWA!!!!

kazey, i want to say thank u atleast among the anti european suggestion, one has been able to put up some strong aruguements with points. debates and aruguements like this are won by points and not by insults.
liberia was not colonized by any country someone rightly said but if u go back to history, liberia is known as the land of freed slaves. they are practically grand children of the africans sold to americans as slaves and a certain president of the usa decided to liberate them to support their moves against slavary and that was how liberia came to be and on the lane of history u will find the name of the then usa as James Monroe and that was how the name monrovia came to be so know that.
ethiopia if u go down the passages of the Bible u will know how they related to history and i must tell u, they are practically existing by name no jokes about that. ask anyone here in dubai about ethiopians and go into fact files and read about the country ethiopia and begin to appreciate that nigeria is a safe heaven.
i am happy reverend was among the blocked brains alongside myself and he has reffered the forum to a writeup of 2002 in support of this suggestion.
in theory we want the europeans but in practice it is an illusion but my interest here is for each an everyone of us to believe it that we have failed. nigeria at 46 despite all her mineral resources could only boost of individual criminals who can manipulate the english language more than their english people just to suit their criminal activities.
westerhof and bonfre jo are all whites and looking at the history of football in nigeria they have the greatest impact but where are they? do u change a winning team? indeginous coaches are only wanted to enable the ministries to use the funds the way they want because our poor home coaches will not say anything to avoid loosing their jobs.
okonjo iweala was the best minister nigeria saw in this dispensation but where is she? do u change a winning team?
borishade destroyed the education ministry and when the heat and call for his head was high, he was changed to aviation where his time was marked with the highest number of air crash and this brought attention again to his side and he has been shifted to the information and culture ministry. where does this happen?
fani kayode showed a high responsibility of duty with his loud mount and the mouth piece of obj and was rewarded with the post of aviation minister.
in other parts of the world, ministries are manned by specialists in each field but see us using a particular person for the post of education minister, aviation minister as well as information and culture. are we saying here there are no specialists in these fields or are we praying that an inexperienced okada man can do well as a pilot-what a perfect miracle are we expecting here?
we are too blind to voice out the truth and the christians believe that only the truth can set us free.
scientists believe that the first step to solving a problem is to identify the problem so what is the possibilities of solving our problems if those of us here cannot accept the simple truth that we as a pupil have failed and it is a total failure.

in other parts of the world, ministries are manned by specialists in each field but see us using a particular person for the post of education minister, aviation minister as well as information and culture. are we saying here there are no specialists in these fields or are we praying that an inexperienced okada man can do well as a pilot-what a perfect miracle are we expecting here? 

False, in every part of the world, the president/prime minister appoint political friends to man ministries. The post of permanent secretary is the highest you can get as an expert in a particular ministry. I always figured the ones worshipping the Europeans are not too bright themselves and are ignorant of history and they way things are done.

By the way, you also forgot that Stephen Keshi was the man who took Togo to the World Cup.

we are talking about lifting world cup and u are talking about taking to world cup. is saudi arabia not present in every world cup and what happened to what extent.
to be in the best use of ur words, keshi did not take the togolese to the world cup rather he qaulified them and the german man took them there. since u have mentioned keshi, what was his impact in the nation's cup in egypt. why was he dropped by the nation he qualified. he was having a problem with adebayo who togo believe to be their only hope. Adebayo was the highest goal scorer through the qualifiers but was out of favour with keshi because he refused to have keshi as his manager over his transfer from monaco to arsenal.
if the president has the right to appoint his kinsman to any position, he equally has the right to accept blames for the misdeed of his kinsman.
u see our level of understanding, educated and specialists roam our streets in search of jobs while illitrates and amatures occupy vital positions because of godfathers.
we suffers waste of human resources and we still want to believe things will improve.
negative emphases are the only back ups from the so called group that oppose the europeans. what a shame. if keshi is a coach why can't nigeria employ him since he took togo to world cup.

Yeah,

Now list the hundreds of white coaches who have failed to win the World Cup, it's only fair!

@donzman. you were inviting someone( not sure who) to respond to the good posts. i am quite sure yours would be one of them. am i correct?

Yeah yeah!

Again I insist the threadstarter has reached his conclusions because he/she asked the wrong questions or did not even know which questions to ask. See, the problem is not that these leaders are "bad" per se, these guys can lead people to swindle large funds without being noticed, we have Nigerians that run big successful companies, we have Nigerians that run huge churches. These guys are leading the nation but they're not doing it in ways that will benefit the nation but ways that will benefit them. I have no doubt then that if given the right incentives, they will lead the people the way the people want to be led.

The problem lies with we common Nigerians. We have not provided any incentives to make these people commit in advance to be good leaders after they have been elected. This is a commitment problem here and every nation on this planet has had or is having this problem. How do we know you are going to abide by your promises after you've been elected? We the people need to provide big enough incentives, apprently more than the obvious "the people are suffering" reasons. We need to be able to let them know they will be impeached or removed from office if things do not go the way the promised. The constitution should provide for this somehow. We should be able to contact members of House of Reps./Senate from out ward and inform them of our complaints and hope they'll work to solve our problems. Again, there is no doubt in my mind that these guys can lead, we just don't give them a good enough reason to show good leadership.

Now some skeptic out there will be wondering, why don't Europeans and white nations have this same commitment problem from their leaders?, The answer is quite simple, they had these problems about 500 years ago and they've been able to resolve it and move forward. Think of England under the Stuarts (King JamesI, King Charles e.t.c.), their "bad" leadership led to the Glorious Revolution which forced a change in the constitution giving more power to the parliament. This provided a credible threat for the king to be removed if he does not do what the people wants. This threat of dethronement provided the incentive these supposedly "bad" leaders needed to become good leaders. If the English thought like Shango back then, they would have called for some Egyptian to come and lead them seeing how they could not lead themselves. Instead they were able to figure out that these bad leaders can actually be good leaders, only if we give them a reason to lead us in the right direction and not lead us for their own selfish gains.

The problem was not only limited to 17th century England, bad French leadership led to the French revolution which was a battle between the common peasant and the few aristocrats they had. Their was the Spanish revolution and the thing goes on. In conclusion, there is a commitment problem when appointing people to lead over you. This problem is not limited to Africa but past European nations also faced them in the past. These so called incapable leaders can be capable when we the people choose to stand up and make them responsible. It is not a problem of the black man being incapable but a problem of the black man presently being non chalant about their role in the society. When we figure this out (hopefully sooner rather than later), we will be able to turn these incapable leaders into good leaders. If they know they'll be removed and thrown in jail if the mess up, they will definitely listen to the people and do as they please. End of Story!

P.S.: Whatever bad grammar you encounter in this post, swallow it. I have little time for editing.

now if i may ask! what white man yall advocating for! what from the outside planet or what.

white man is in charge in iraq , wonder what you make of that

some carreabean island ! wonder what you make of that

was in charge of tawin before the chinese took over

was in some countries in africa! the fools made no applogy and he stood on his conviction till he died recently. bortha i mean and why should the wars head being destoryed jsut because na blacks are taking over their country.

even here in developed world most of the tax payers money are usually or well spent n maintaining white neighbourhood rather black ends.

now most charity organsation in the west uses degrading africa imagine to raise money and nevertheless the money they claimed given to africa is always fraud as usual.

white man IMF have admitted the first blue print is to destroy africa economy which they did and everyone i think knows that now!

former great britain prime minister son was caught in coup plot in congo or something last year red handed. na white man be that hmmm

in white man country i repeat white man country not in nigeria rite i mean white man country rite blacks suffers a lot of inequalities, some even die in jail. so what do you make of that i mean yall advocating for the same evil to come and look after blacks in nigeria!

which kind monkey brain be this ? see how people sold the soul to devil think say na joke! i sure people in nigeria are evn treated badly by their oyibo counterpart in nigeria.

what as we talking about? did malaysia look for white man when things arent wrking out for them.

enough is enough. nigerians problem is always manmade, recognise that nevermind your slavey mentality don.

just look at supereagles coach for god sake, how much support does he get from NFA. i guess if nigerian are prepared to give hin half support white man get u might wittness magic.


yes as u can see we all know nigeria got a big problem which is manmade but it could be said u are part of the problem!

nigeria still will rise! do me a farvour close your eyes when that happen---  -----  ---

We need European Religion (and Arabic Religion because our's is ritualistic and their GOD is in CAPITAL letters while our's is pronounced in small letters)

We need European Languages to communicate amongst ourselves (We have too many languages and if we take one as lingua franca, the tribe/ethnic group that “owns” the language will feel "too proud”)

We need European-Style Hair-do (For Our Ladies)
We need European Jeans (and American Jeans too}
We need European Perfumes
We need European Contractors e.g. Julius Berger to build our bridges.
We need European Language Based Web Browsers to connect to nairaland.com
We need European Used Cars because they are affordable
We need European used Aircrafts (New ones cost over N30 Billion)
We don't need European Forensic experts to solve high profile murder cases.
We don't need European Movies (or Hollywood movies because Nollywood/Nigerwood Movies are just as exciting) on TV
We don’t need European underwear (Chinese/Asian made ones are just as good)
We don’t need European Guns (Shakabula is just as good, or we will import Cutlass like the Hutu’s)
We don’t need Europeans to rebuild our rail infrastructure (The Chinese are able)

There are still more ……

Donzman:

Yeah yeah!

Again I insist the threadstarter has reached his conclusions because he/she asked the wrong questions or did not even know which questions to ask. See, the problem is not that these leaders are "bad" per se, these guys can lead people to swindle large funds without being noticed, we have Nigerians that run big successful companies, we have Nigerians that run huge churches. These guys are leading the nation but they're not doing it in ways that will benefit the nation but ways that will benefit them. I have no doubt then that if given the right incentives, they will lead the people the way the people want to be led.

The problem lies with we common Nigerians. We have not provided any incentives to make these people commit in advance to be good leaders after they have been elected. This is a commitment problem here and every nation on this planet has had or is having this problem. How do we know you are going to abide by your promises after you've been elected? We the people need to provide big enough incentives, apprently more than the obvious "the people are suffering" reasons. We need to be able to let them know they will be impeached or removed from office if things do not go the way the promised. The constitution should provide for this somehow. We should be able to contact members of House of Reps./Senate from out ward and inform them of our complaints and hope they'll work to solve our problems. Again, there is no doubt in my mind that these guys can lead, we just don't give them a good enough reason to show good leadership.

Now some skeptic out there will be wondering, why don't Europeans and white nations have this same commitment problem from their leaders?, The answer is quite simple, they had these problems about 500 years ago and they've been able to resolve it and move forward. Think of England under the Stuarts (King JamesI, King Charles e.t.c.), their "bad" leadership led to the Glorious Revolution which forced a change in the constitution giving more power to the parliament. This provided a credible threat for the king to be removed if he does not do what the people wants. This threat of dethronement provided the incentive these supposedly "bad" leaders needed to become good leaders. If the English thought like Shango back then, they would have called for some Egyptian to come and lead them seeing how they could not lead themselves. Instead they were able to figure out that these bad leaders can actually be good leaders, only if we give them a reason to lead us in the right direction and not lead us for their own selfish gains.

The problem was not only limited to 17th century England, bad French leadership led to the French revolution which was a battle between the common peasant and the few aristocrats they had. Their was the Spanish revolution and the thing goes on. In conclusion, there is a commitment problem when appointing people to lead over you. This problem is not limited to Africa but past European nations also faced them in the past. These so called incapable leaders can be capable when we the people choose to stand up and make them responsible. It is not a problem of the black man being incapable but a problem of the black man presently being non chalant about their role in the society. When we figure this out (hopefully sooner rather than later), we will be able to turn these incapable leaders into good leaders. If they know they'll be removed and thrown in jail if the mess up, they will definitely listen to the people and do as they please. End of Story!

P.S.: Whatever bad grammar you encounter in this post, swallow it. I have little time for editing.

this is the best response to this topic so far instead of bringing out points to convince the OP or back ur agurments all those that are against the OP are just insulting and swearing. dozman u are the only person that has made sense and giving a reasonable response so far. well done.

my dear, you are out of your mind. who provides incentives to who?
a common man in the rural area hunting for bush meat to provide meat for his family or the ijaw fisherman providing incentives for obj to rule nigeria.
i am afriad u are shying away from the truth. leading good companies and churches all goes to selfish interst which has overtaken national interest.
will u be surprised that obj may decide to punish nigerians not allowing him third term by introducing the almighty political maradona? will u be surprised if u find out that all fights against atiku are based on his refusal to surport third term? are u surprised that atiku refused third term because he wants to be the no 1 instead of no 2? how will a nation progress when individual's interests or a group's interests superimposed that of the populace.
will pdp be normal for allowing ibb to get the form? if not for anyother crime, ibb refused to appear before the Oputa panel and till date nobody see reason to arrest him even for refusing to honour a national call as if he knows the oputa panel findings were never published and u will be surprised to know that Mustafa was at hand to expose the horrible deal of the generals of which the appointment of obj as the president of nigeria from jail was one. no wonder he will spend the rest of his life there or be there till onj leaves.
in the traditional yoruba setting a leader who go to this extent to fail his people will be adviced by the elders to commit suicide and since obj is a yoruba man, i suggest suicide.
why do u think that obj who was president as at 1979 will in most cases say the youth is the future of the nation, imagine a man of 20 years then will be around 46 now yet obj is president and from the look of things ibb will take over for another 8 years and this same man will become 54 so tell me when will that youth be the future of the nation.
is it not obvious to you all here that there is no future in the hands of our leaders who are not even ready to give room for our youths. no wonder Jerry lawrence killed all politicians in Ghana when he took over power and the then dying ghana began to breath well again.
you mention incentives, did u see any okada man drag the position with them or any bus driver contest governor. everybody stand on lines under the sun and say they will go and yet u talk about incentives. so obj needs incentives to restore light in nigeria? anyway u that know this incentive better release it to them as we are bored with them.
can you imagine how many times the post of nfa chairman's election was conducted? not untill the whites intervened and fifa official was sent to monitor the election and yet u are not ready to accept the fact that we are incapacitated.
1993 election was confirmed the freest and fairest because the western world were there to surpvise the election. our leaders accept the fact that they are very much under achievers and would always invite them whenever there is the need.
the british police is always on groung for forensic test whenever there is a political murder in nigeria and american experts are always seen at our crash scenes whenever our plane goes down. whatever do u need as evidence to make u understand that fela was right when he call this particular obj international thief thief.

jumbo jumbo! babashi! nonsense for real

Like it or not, you need Europeans!

Whatever the arguments and there are plenty, Without Europeans you would be living back in mud huts!

I like the idea myself of living in a mud hut , as long as it has satellite tv and a phone

@Reverend

who told you that there are no mud huts with satellite TV and mobile phones including internet connection in Nigeria. And is it because of your believe that Africa needs Europeans that you have resorted to Biblical falsehood? Are you trying to fill in the European-Gap in the lives of those your African followers who worship you and your god with their naked bodies? You better go buy them some clothes and teach them decency.

see, you false prophet, you better keep quiet. When reasonable people are talking, you are not supposed to talk.
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on a more serious note:
and to all the advocators of Europeans to Fix Nigeria, shame on all of you.

Is it that we need Europeans to come fix our country or they need blacks and Africans to give their country a face. Do you know how many Europeans fly into Nigeria on a Monthly basis? compare that to how many Nigerians go out on Business on a monthly basis. Yes, for the fact that we like travelling, Nigerians are one of the most travelled people in the world. We have survived everywhere and are still surviving. And in every nook and corner, you'll find a Nigerian or African brain somewhere outside the African continent, putting things right.

And with the number of expatriates in Nigeria, making a monthly salary that they cant dream of in their country, ofcourse we know it will be for a while, but then, we can be proud that they are achieving what they cant achieve in Nigeria. In fact, I stumbled on a website sometime ago, about a group of Europeans, Americans, white and all colors, MIGRATING TO AFRICA. They settle in various countries, adopt African names and GET A LIFE. According to them, they are BLACK AT HEART. If we are to take their word for it, let them be. The question is: what made them to dump Europe for Africa? Answer: this is where everything is happening, from the good to the bad and ugly.

FOrget it. WE DONT NEED EUROPEANS or any other person to manage this country. Insult upon injury. This country is for Nigerians and as many as love Nigeria.

Kimba Wrote

@Reverend
who told you that there are no mud huts with satellite TV and mobile phones including internet connection in Nigeria.

Then please find me a mud hut with broadband, satellite TV and aircon, but not in your part of the jungle! I want it fitted with a jacuzzi, fitted kitchen and a waterbed with satin sheets. Need a place to park my camel also!

And is it because of your believe that Africa needs Europeans that you have resorted to Biblical falsehood?

I do not believe that Africans need Europeans. I think that we all need each other! Wherever we may come from and whatever our race we need to cooperate and help each other.

The Bible is a book full of falsehoods and contradictions. Only an utter simpleton and poor blind brainwashed tosspot such as you would believe that the Bible is 100% Gods word.

Are you trying to fill in the European-Gap in the lives of those your African followers who worship you and your God with their naked bodies?

We make exceptions for people with micro joysticks, so why don't you join us? Nobody worships me (except for a few hundred voluptuous women) and as for my God, I am sure he is the same as your God, unless of course you worship some space aliens from Lagos.

You better go buy them some clothes and teach them decency.

Quite an interesting comment from an African! Please define decency and why the naked body offends you so much (other than your small penis complex)

see, you false prophet, you better keep quiet. When reasonable people are talking, you are not supposed to talk.

So I had better keep quiet when reasonable people talk. Well you are anything but reasonable. You are a 100% genuine tommy tanker (UK Slang, check it on Google)

I will talk when I feel like talking! That is democracy, I can see from your usual dribble that you are 100% in favor of dictatorial regimes where there are many different opinions, but only yours is valid!

Check the dictionary for the word Biggot. You are one!

Now crawl back under the stone from where you came!

Reverend:

Like it or not, you need Europeans!

Whatever the arguments and there are plenty, Without Europeans you would be living back in mud huts!

I like the idea myself of living in a mud hut , as long as it has satellite tv and a phone

Do you realise that your forefathers who lived in mud huts had better lives than you actually have now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts were more secure than you are now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts lived longer than you will live?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts had healthier lifestyles than you have now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud hut were healthier than you are?

want some more

Easyy

Easyy:

Do you realise that your forefathers who lived in mud huts had better lives than you actually have now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts were more secure than you are now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts lived longer than you will live?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud huts had healthier lifestyles than you have now?
Do you realise that those who lived in mud hut were healthier than you are?

want some more

That is because they have simple life, we paying for convenience this days, back then no one care about cell phones or movies, they make their own movies, and it cost nothing. no one went to the doctor for check ups, they had herb for all kind of illness, and no one care about red wine, they had palm wine authentic no pasteurization, we do not need European people to be our leader, we need a Nigerian that has been exposed to the modern world to take us to the next level.

we need odeku to take us to the next level

Does Odeku live in a mud hut?

Reverend:

Does Odeku live in a mud hut?

Another one wants to bite the DUST, DUDE do you have will? to be or to die?

Where there is will, there is a way    

Who is will?

Does will live in a mud hut?

some time you might have will, but if hunger catch you, you won't have eye to see the will

Point of correction, Rev.  That saying should read : Where there is a way there will be relatives. 

Getting back to the subject thread, I was just wondering if a skin-bleached black person with chemically straightened hair and a fake European accent would fit the bill as an honorary white man who would then qualify to lead Nigeria.

Mike Jackson comes to mind.  He sure can't sing anymore if his lame performance here in London last night is anything to go by, so hey, let us draft the moon walker as Nigeria's next president.

Abeg leave Jackson out of this one oh

@Donzman,

Let me precisely understand what you have said, because I don't honestly see how it solves the mentality, all I see is how it defends the present African leader.

1. See, the problem is not that these leaders are "bad" per se, these guys can lead people to swindle large funds without being noticed.

Corruption and evasion capabilities is a leadership quality as you say, considering that you even gladly make mention of such a skill ? Help me here?

2. we have Nigerians that run big successful companies, we have Nigerians that run huge churches.
Hmm yes we do, but non of this big successful companies pay loyal taxes, or are even obliged ethically to do so, yet you claim they might have the leadership skills and motivation besides loyalty to lead a country forward?

3. The problem lies with we common Nigerians. We have not provided any incentives to make these people commit in advance to be good leaders after they have been elected.
Who are the common Nigerians? Perhaps you might want to draw that line, so that we can know where to begin? Commitment as you put it, is not what I would term loyalty, honesty, besides patriostism, what our grandparents taught us, I guess the sense of ethical consciouness is lost here.

4.We need to be able to let them know they will be impeached or removed from office if things do not go the way the promised.

Where is that done, the people are ruled by the people, and that means whatever they do concerns they directly or indirectly? Not aliens for goodness sake, what are we talking about?

The constitution should provide for this somehow.

The constitution does accommodate for impeachment, but by proper channels, or you were referring to the possibility of impeaching the government by the people just like the election process is done? That would be interestiing, I guess I could call it the "Donzman Utopia". Lets be realistic here.

5. We should be able to contact members of House of Reps./Senate from out ward and inform them of our complaints and hope they'll work to solve our problems.

I don't think that is a problem right now, the problem is in relative to the willingness of this reps to serve the interest of the masses, not just listen to the interest of the masses, that is entirely two different things.

6. Again, there is no doubt in my mind that these guys can lead, we just don't give them a good enough reason to show good leadership.

People are born to be leaders, not made.

A spirit of adventure - [/b]the urge to explore, break new ground, challenge the status quo, stand up for what you believe, risk rejection, rebel against authority, innovate.
[b]An ability to influence - by example, logical argument, enthusiasm, persistence or painting a visionary picture.
An appropriate level of intelligence.



Now some skeptic out there will be wondering, why don't Europeans and white nations have this same commitment problem from their leaders?, The answer is quite simple, they had these problems about 500 years ago and they've been able to resolve it and move forward.

Perhaps you might want to re-explain the role of that commitment or did you mean loyalty or patriotism? I am a little bit confuse on how that has impact on leadership roles? Who needs it more the followers or the leaders? What role does each play?


@mazaje
And your contribution would be? Aww perhaps you forgot,