komekn:


I have spent a lot of time at Platt lane.

Nigeria is corrupt but what goes on there will compete with what we do. Nepotism, favoritism and the under the table sweeteners are rife.

The Arab multi billionaire owners are not concerned or even bother auditing what is spent for youth player acquisition. There is a mentality of we need to spend this money quick or loose it, and we need to get it in our pockets.

The average coach in city is probably not on more than £35k and the part time coaches much less. You then want them to make decisions on million pound youth players without undue influence. Consider that a lot of players have TPI meaning some one can pay a very nice sweetener to make it happen.


At youth football, OPPORTUNITY is all, the question is who will be given the opportunity to shine, the best player or the vested interest player. Players are people's meal tickets inside and outside of the club. Official or unofficial everything will boil down to arrangement 90% of the time.

Doesn't matter about facilities, if you can't dance you can't dance no matter how good the dance floor is. Secondly you can't teach what you don't know, if you can't do skill how can you teach it. In most English football academies they will teach positional awareness, basic technique, fitness, strength and match discipline. But not the skill, technique and swag we Naija are accustomed too.

I will say there is one coach that has impressed me the most there and that was Mark Reese.

komekn:


I have spent a lot of time at Platt lane.

Nigeria is corrupt but what goes on there will compete with what we do. Nepotism, favoritism and the under the table sweeteners are rife.

The Arab multi billionaire owners are not concerned or even bother auditing what is spent for youth player acquisition. There is a mentality of we need to spend this money quick or loose it, and we need to get it in our pockets.

The average coach in city is probably not on more than £35k and the part time coaches much less. You then want them to make decisions on million pound youth players without undue influence. Consider that a lot of players have TPI meaning some one can pay a very nice sweetener to make it happen.


At youth football, OPPORTUNITY is all, the question is who will be given the opportunity to shine, the best player or the vested interest player. Players are people's meal tickets inside and outside of the club. Official or unofficial everything will boil down to arrangement 90% of the time.

Doesn't matter about facilities, if you can't dance you can't dance no matter how good the dance floor is. Secondly you can't teach what you don't know, if you can't do skill how can you teach it. In most English football academies they will teach positional awareness, basic technique, fitness, strength and match discipline. But not the skill, technique and swag we Naija are accustomed too.

I will say there is one coach that has impressed me the most there and that was Mark Reese.

Orkpekyandega:
Don’t Blame Me For AFCON 2017 Qualification Failure, Blame Siasia

Former coach of the Super Eagles of Nigeria Sunday Oliseh has suggested that his replacement Samson Siasia should be blamed for Nigeria’s failure to qualify for AFCON 2017 and not him.


Nigeria used four coaches during their failed attempt to qualify for next year AFCON which will he holding in Gabon, with late coach Stephen Keshi starting the campaign with a 2-0 win over Chad before he was axed.


Following his sacking, Sunday Oliseh was appointed as coach of the team and handled them in just one game against Tanzania which ended 0-0, before throwing in the towel, three weeks to the group decider. The double header against Egypt.


Oliseh’s resignation lead to the employment of Samson Siasia as interim manager of the team for the games against Egypt. With Nigeria drawing 1-1 at home before losing 0-1 away to miss out on any chance of progressing to next year AFCON.


New manager Gernot Rohr completed the qualifying series for Nigeria beating Tanzania 1-0 in a dead rubber tie in Uyo, but while most Nigerians are blaming Oliseh. He inferred in a chat with a fan on social media that whoever handled the games against Egypt should be blamed.


A follower @Okparajokpara posted a tweet on his wall that reads ” Fans should blame the coach that failed to beat Egypt at the nations cup qualifiers and Oliseh winning ratio was fantastics”


Oliseh replied his post by saying ” Wow cheers & bravo, @Okparajokpara , I believe most Nigerians know this now. But as always there will always be a few loud exception”


"Foreign experts & I are puzzled to a rib breaking point, how a coach who had 80% success rate be called anything but successful” He concluded.

owngoalnigeria.com/2016/12/17/dont-blame-me-for-afcon-2017-qualification-failure-blame-siasia/

TheGoodJoe:


Come On. Pellegrini coached Real Madrid and Real Madrid have one of the best academy facilities in the World. Pellegrini attested that Manchester City academy has the best facility in the World.

komekn:


Firstly, across Europe the standards of facilities at most professional football clubs meet a minimum standard. As a consequence having the best or better facilities does not equate to producing the best players. In this regard the facilities at Charlton athletic are classed as Category 2, MK Dons cat 3 and nearly all premier teams and a few championship teams Category 1.

If you are making a comparison to facilities in Nigeria then that's a different matter entirely.

I know Patrick Vieira and I would class him as a good manager not a necessarily a coach. Consider John Fashanu closer to home, I would neither consider him a competent coach or manager. I also know John Barns but would not consider him a great coach or manager but he was an excellent player. Essentially being a great player does not always transfer to being a great coach or manager.

Now consider Charlton and MK Dons with thier substandard facilities by your unit of measurement and the players they have produced. Not including the players the big teams poached from them.

How many has Manchester city produced and don't include Kelechi he came there at over 16/17. that play regularly in the premiership or even played at the club.

Being at city doesn't mean you are any better than players at much lesser clubs. You are just oportuned and possibly have a good agent with some level of talent.

My views are not second hand on the assumption of the competence of others who may or not have invested interest, such as Pellegrini. I probably have been to at at least 75% of every category 1 academy at one time or the other or sometimes once or twice a week for months on end, sometimes years. I may not have a UEFA badge but I've scouted for premier clubs I will leave it at that.

Kog45:
Olishe should keep quiet coz we have move on

goldfish80:

Ndidi actually failed MRI test and was banned subsequently for the CAF U17 championship with 2 other Nigerian players. Ghana and Ivory coast lost some players too due to MRI failure.

You will be making a huge mistake believing that everyone who went straight to Europe from local academies are young.
My brother, Premier league and national league clubs at the end of each season call for an open camp, where players from different academies and amateur clubs come and try out. The lucky 4 or 5 get signed up, out of those 5 maybe only 1 actually got signed up on merit. The rest got singed up due to normal naija man know man runs, padi padi and sometimes players come to camp cluching letters from senators or house of rep members.
The hands of coaches and club managers are usually tied because these clubs are actually owned by state governments. Player with such recommendations are given preferential treatments and get contracts in the end. The other players (usually in their 100s) go back to their amateur clubs and academies and wait for next open screening or contacts from little teams in Asia and obscure countries in Europe.
The following year the cycle contines, in an infinite loop so to say.

All in all, you can have a player who have played for an academy or been within the amateur rankings for more than 7years before getting any sort of attention. A friend of mine who is a professional goal keeper told me that lukman Haruna came for screening 3 previous U17 sets before he was considered and made the captain in 2007.
Haruna went from the academy system in Nigeria straight to Monaco. Am sure you get the picture.

terzurum5:
Giant “Nigerian Defender” Based In Slovakia Speak On Career Rise And Super Eagles Chances Under Rohr


AS Trencin of Slovakia Nigerian defender Maduka Christopher Udeh says he is hopeful of making the Super Eagles squad to the World Cup 2018 in Russia.


Udeh who has been ever present for Trencin this season in both domestic and European competitions has earned rare reviews for his performances this season.


So far he has made 15 appearances in all competitions with a goal to his name from his position as a central defender, where his towering frame has earned him the nickname Metesacker by the media in Slovakia.


The nickname is due to his height and similar style of play with legendary German defender Per Metesacker of Arsenal, but the forward wants to create an identity for himself.


” I love the idea behind the nickname, and I sincerely appreciate but I just want to be me, build my career and hopefully be at the World Cup 2018 in Russia with Nigeria”, Maduka told Owngoalnigeria.com in Kaduna.


Linked with a host of teams in Germany, the 19 year old insist he is focused on improving his game and not keen on a move away from Trencin.


” You don’t rule out transfer as the dream of every footballer is to progress to a tougher, bigger and better league, but for now am fully focused on Trencin and making myself a better player”.

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/12/20/giant-nigerian-defender-based-in-slovakia-speak-on-career-rise-and-super-eagles-chances-under-rohr/

TheGoodJoe:


How can you say leave Kelechi Iheanacho out of the discussion when that is what the debate is about? I said, because of the coaches and facilities at Manchester City, Iheanacho should go there, instead of FC Porto.

I also highlighted Pellegrini's history if grooming youngsters and why it will benefit Iheanacho.

So saying leave Iheanacho means you are missing the whole point safarigirl pointed out.

I have given you a list of youngsters City favored. Many of them worked with Vieira. Vieira had a successful stay at City.

goldfish80:

Ndidi actually failed MRI test and was banned subsequently for the CAF U17 championship with 2 other Nigerian players. Ghana and Ivory coast lost some players too due to MRI failure.

You will be making a huge mistake believing that everyone who went straight to Europe from local academies are young.
My brother, Premier league and national league clubs at the end of each season call for an open camp, where players from different academies and amateur clubs come and try out. The lucky 4 or 5 get signed up, out of those 5 maybe only 1 actually got signed up on merit. The rest got singed up due to normal naija man know man runs, padi padi and sometimes players come to camp cluching letters from senators or house of rep members.
The hands of coaches and club managers are usually tied because these clubs are actually owned by state governments. Player with such recommendations are given preferential treatments and get contracts in the end. The other players (usually in their 100s) go back to their amateur clubs and academies and wait for next open screening or contacts from little teams in Asia and obscure countries in Europe.
The following year the cycle contines, in an infinite loop so to say.

All in all, you can have a player who have played for an academy or been within the amateur rankings for more than 7years before getting any sort of attention. A friend of mine who is a professional goal keeper told me that lukman Haruna came for screening 3 previous U17 sets before he was considered and made the captain in 2007.
Haruna went from the academy system in Nigeria straight to Monaco. Am sure you get the picture.

komekn:
No be today this ting start.

I may have been born in the UK but I went to high school in Warri. I knew guys who went from school to school becoming almost landlords of the school, playing football. I even left them there a few years later they were playing Youth football at National level.

goldfish80:

Alot of the so called academy players are as old as NPFL players,in some cases older than most NPFL players. I know for sure that Chisom Egbuchulam and Obinna Nwobodo are playing with their accurate ages or something close to their ages.
Some so called academy players are 7-10years older than them.
Its all about opportunities. Most players stay at the amateur level for years before they blow.

komekn:


I am not here to have an argument but to have a constructive discussion. I am talking strategically, holistically and generally.

Kelechi is not the focal point of my post and will not be. The fact that Vieira was the under 21 /reserve team coach, does not necessarily filter to the other age groups and or coaches.

It's the coaches who are mainly faceless that train with these boys day in and day out at different age groups that make the difference. Not one person called Vieira, I didn't think he was a great coach a good administrator and manager. I am not speaking from hearsay but first hand knowledge.


This is not a debate between individuals massaging egos. it is a collection of experiences and opinions for individuals to be informed on this forum.

tbaba1234:


You are correct but that is why players are tested to reduce the cheating.

Many players are dropped due to MRI screening.

goldfish80:

MRI is just papering over the cracks. To tackle this problem head-on, the Nff need to establish a database for all players in the country from the amateur level up to the pro level.
Our football must not start from U17.