IIT seems like you are determined to do one of them. Both are sins against your body and against God. it reduces you and brings inferiority complex. It just debase you and shows that you lack control. Given in to our urge before marriage denotes weakness not strength. If you don't understand it now you will understand it when you get married and you want to get straight with God. For those who don't intend to get straight with God, no need for control, just walk your straight to wherever. I have tasted both and I have concluded that self control is most rewarding.

After reading comments,i deduced that nothing(excluding those specified in holy books) is good or bad,it depends on how we think about it.
If fornication is religiously banned and masturbation is dangerous to health(esp if its not rugulated).It's better then to go for mastubation but with the awareness of the health damage if not regulated or if done excesssively.This awareness may instil the need to regulate it for those who fear to disobey God.
My point is; (1)If fornication provokes God..... (2)Masturbation affect your health(if excess).... and (3)as a human you can't eliminate sexual desire(except nuns,fathers or whosoever),then go for REGULATED masturbation Eg once a week or thrice a month.......But Incase you know you're too weak to repel addiction,then be a FATHER Or NUN......tnk u

In my opinion I feel Masturbation is a sin and may also not be a sin.
This is because I see Masturbation in two perspectives; wilful and unwilful masturbation.

Wilful Masturbation - this is masturbation caused by deliberate acts of the victim without which the act could easily have been averted. E.g Porn, lust, fantasizing, sexting and other sex related acts.

Unwilful Masturbation on the otherhand is masturbation caused by unintentional acts of the victim especially due to psychological setbacks. E.g depression, low self esteem, stigmatization, melancholia, dejection, loneliness etc.
Victims of unwilful masturbation usually do so as a way of liberating themselves from their psychological trauma, and are usually filled with regret after indulging in the act therefore worsening their conditions.

I feel wilful masturbation is a sin and unwilful masturbation is not a sin.
If abstinence from pornography and other sex related act does not cure your masturbation, its more likely your problem is psychological.
Seek medical/psychological attention if you think your masturbation is unintentional.
Depression is a terrible experience, and many people go through it without noticing.

Worry about jobs, worry about not having a relationship, worry about health etc amongst other factors are antecedents of degression which could lead to unholy acts.

donshady:
Do you realise the effect of masturbation?
it kills you slowly..till u loose everything.. Beware.

That is not true , how is he going to loose every thing , will you rather let him go fornicating and catch a disease and you have not answered the guys questioned ... even the bible does not even mention anything about masturbation , now answer the guys question is masturbation better than fornication

agbajesaid:
honestly, i get your point. But my own point is this. Isnt it better to masturbate once in a while than to fornicate everytime. All the points u highligted applies to fornication too because sperm is expelled. And one cannot contract any STDs through masturbation as opposed to fornication.

Bro,Good one from you,but this is not a better advice for one who really wants to breakout from masturbating addiction.How long will one contend with shame and guilt?one can be free indeed,either once in a year or once in 3 years,you a are still slave to it.

I was once a chronic masturbator,but now,for the past 8 yrs ,I'm free both from the guilt and the habit,neither I'm I fornicating,its a mind and decision thing.

The battle can only be won in ur mind.not in with hands.

ooshinibos:

That is not true , how is he going to loose every thing , will you rather let him go fornicating and catch a disease and you have not answered the guys questioned ... even the bible does not even mention anything about masturbation , now answer the guys question is masturbation better than fornication

Don't forget I stated *protective sex* .
looking at it from the adverse effects which I mentioned yesterday..I can't advice you to masturbate.
Concerning the Bible or religion. ***I'm not into that. that's a debate in its own.
But if you want to debate with me on that, I am here to I'll prove to you masturbation is a sin.

Achorise:
Bro,Good one from you,but this is not a better advice for one who really wants to breakout from masturbating addiction.How long will one contend with shame and guilt?one can be free indeed,either once in a year or once in 3 years,you a are still slave to it.

I was once a chronic masturbator,but now,for the past 8 yrs ,I'm free both from the guilt and the habit,neither I'm I fornicating,its a mind and decision thing.

The battle can only be won in ur mind.not in with hands.

Achorise.. thanks for speaking out.

donshady:


None is advisable. but I'll still prefer fornication to masturbation because

1. Masturbation makes you weak, it drains protein and calcium content in the body

2. Masturbation creates nervousness and neurological problems

3. Masturbation is one of the main cause for erectile dysfunction.

4. Masturbation addicts you even if you taste it for one time. Controlling it is a very big menace.

5. Masturbation creates drowsiness; you will be sleeping most of the time after ejaculation of your sperm. You will experience a damn tired.

6. Masturbation causes stress and strain in your mind and soul.

7. Masturbation also affects us psychologically; it creates depression after ejaculation and makes one feeling bad on his own.

8. Getting red hot while masturbating will give a bad name in that environment and it is an indecent activity.

9. Masturbation cannot be done simply, it needs to see, touch, indulge or, at last to think of a sexual practice/ sex organ of the opposite sex. This is more harmful that the image in your memory that you see could not be erased easily. This will lead you to a noxious problem that you cannot see any girl/ lady/ women without a single thought i.e., sex.

10. Masturbation creates an urge to do indefinitely; it doesn’t see the place, people and culture. It makes you digging worse sexual problems if chance knocks the door.

11. Masturbation leads you to illegal contacts because the urge increases day by day and finally will lead to the search of a source for sexual pleasure.

12. Masturbation is the main reason for speedy sperm release during sexual intercourse. It will create dissatisfaction to you and to your wife.

13. Over masturbation reduces your sperm count. Couples who desire to get pregnant should not masturbate.

14. SThe seminal fluid that gets released on masturbation contains proteins that are needed for many metabolic activities and cell formations. Proteins are the building blocks of our body; ejaculation often will create you to be lean and distracts your metabolism of muscle building.

15. Ethically masturbation is wrong; you think of X/Y and do sex of your own. This hinders your values and respect for others. You may be are good in all other regards but will end up in a great problem if not concerned to stop this habit.

16. Masturbation wastes your time and makes you useless.

17. The pleasure of masturbation never lasts for a long time.

18. Masturbation creates more problems as you lose your memory and thought-provoking ability.

19. Masturbation is not the end of your desire; you may be fooled by your own practice. It will never give you a solution or a satisfaction but seems that it gives.

20. It is not needed in any way to your sexual life that it has to be practiced without fail.

21. Guys who masturbate will lose interest in sex with their wife very soon. They can’t feel pleasurable for a long time.

22. Masturbation induces homosexuals in schools, colleges and hostels. Many times the latter creates sexually transmitted diseases like VD, syphilis, AIDS etc.,

May God bless you for this post,I promise to copy it and paste it for my private teachings,though I have broken that habit yrs back.

You really a rare gem.

Aviero:
Don't tag it fornication. Just call it sex.

Sex, protected sex, is healthier than masturbation.

There are lots of good health benefits that comes with sex, but masturbating makes you feel somewhat empty. After you cum, you come to your senses and then you feel awkward.

Sex is different tho

no matter the name you choose to give fornication or masturbation, it doesn't change the fact that they are morally and religiously wrong and will lead anyone that practices either of them to HELL FIRE.ofcos you do know that the flesh is weak and if you allow it to rule you, it will consume you.be in charge of your body not the other way round everyone has one weakness or the other but it depends on how well you handle yours. GOD HAS GIVEN US A MANUAL ON HOW TO CONTROL THESE THINGS PLS FOLLOW IT(the Bible)

Bibby25:


@ Lanrywatt.... All die na die bro,wether dieing by road or by plane.

So it is for masturbation and fornication
All na same

If you want to live in iniquity, you'll find a way to justify it.

Galatians 5:16 ;But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not
carry out the desire of the flesh.

Does the @op, want to carry out the desires of the flesh or not?
You mentioned fiancee, she could just be a sin partner. Those that name the name of the Lord almighty must depart from iniquity.

Comparison of fornication and masturbation and giving reasons for it is just giving an occasion to commit iniquity. Sorry, I don't pretend with issues like this.

donshady:


Achorise.. thanks for speaking out.

Thank you,but if everyone can speak out,it will do everyone of here a better good.

cos,your younger siblings maybe battling with one addiction or the other.

It could be masturbation

Smoking

sexuual perversions

It could even be gay tendencies,I have found of recent alot of guys even practice gay,but fear wouldn't allow them to seek help.

my advice is,brothers and sisters if you are trapped with any of this destructive emotions,look for who you can trust and believe in,and confide in the person,in order to get help.
I can still be of great help.

donshady:


Achorise.. thanks for speaking out.

Thank you,but if everyone can speak out,it will do everyone of us here a better good.

cos maybe your younger siblings maybe battling with one addiction or the other,or a close friend.

It could be masturbation

Smoking

sexuual perversions

It could even be gay tendencies,I have found of recent alot of guys even practice gay,but fear wouldn't allow them to seek help.

my advice is,brothers and sisters if you are trapped with any of this destructive emotions,look for who you can trust and believe in,and confide in the person,in order to get help.
I can still be of great help.

donshady:


Don't forget I stated *protective sex* .
looking at it from the adverse effects which I mentioned yesterday..I can't advice you to masturbate.
Concerning the Bible or religion. ***I'm not into that. that's a debate in its own.
But if you want to debate with me on that, I am here to I'll prove to you masturbation is a sin.

Donshady - you mentioned that masturbation is a sin and I believe sin is a religions connotation that's why I went the religious route , no religion mentioned that masturbation is a sin ,now that does not mean it is right or wrong . I understand the protected sex part but this is still Sin if you are doing it outside marriage , and remember not all of us have access to sex and all the illicit sex act between a man and a woman that is rampart nowadays. I don't believe I should go to a prostitute because I have an urge .
Now back to Masturbation , I think it has his place ,however , if someone is masturbating due to watching pornography or depressed then I think that is wrong and it should not been encouraged. if you masturbate due to tension in your groins to relieved tension in a swollen scrotum or over production of sperm then this should classed as a medical or biological reasons . Bottom-line , masturbation should not be habitual or psychological release to fulfill urges from pornography or hanging around sexed up people ...I have more to say but I have ran out of time

Bros,,make I no lie,,masturbate no gud for ur body,its makes u weak like all over ur body,,even ur eye balls n under ur foot will be so weak as if u lost a lot of blood,ur body wil b intensively hot wich make u fill fainted,,bt to my advise,,as a married or engage man,,masturbating is more better Dan fornicating,when u fornicate,u have inherited half of dat ladies problem,let me put it dis way,,u have share n recieve half of wat ever u have n recieve wat ever she have spiritually,,weda sin,wat ever she has indulge her self in,,even abortion,bad luck,disappointment,name it wat ever..even gudluck,half of her spirit,,dat y some don't no dia gift,,bcus dey have involve in many kind of sex,,sharing n have many kind of spirit,u go for prayer,dey say,ur future to go b a business man,n wen u go to anoda pls,dey say ur future is to go to school or sometin else,,,so abeg,,mastubation is better bt nt always ooh,,so wen doin it,,make sure u have gud food or milk close to u to recover ur self fast..tanks,,davis112,,am new hiaa..

Achorise:
Thank you,but if everyone can speak out,it will do everyone of us here a better good.

cos maybe your younger siblings maybe battling with one addiction or the other,or a close friend.

It could be masturbation

Smoking

sexuual perversions

It could even be gay tendencies,I have found of recent alot of guys even practice gay,but fear wouldn't allow them to seek help.

my advice is,brothers and sisters if you are trapped with any of this destructive emotions,look for who you can trust and believe in,and confide in the person,in order to get help.
I can still be of great help.

I have been debating on this topic for over 5years now.

ooshinibos:

Donshady - you mentioned that masturbation is a sin and I believe sin is a religions connotation that's why I went the religious route , no religion mentioned that masturbation is a sin ,now that does not mean it is right or wrong . I understand the protected sex part but this is still Sin if you are doing it outside marriage , and remember not all of us have access to sex and all the illicit sex act between a man and a woman that is rampart nowadays. I don't believe I should go to a prostitute because I have an urge .
Now back to Masturbation , I think it has his place ,however , if someone is masturbating due to watching pornography or depressed then I think that is wrong and it should not been encouraged. if you masturbate due to tension in your groins to relieved tension in a swollen scrotum or over production of sperm then this should classed as a medical or biological reasons . Bottom-line , masturbation should not be habitual or psychological release to fulfill urges from pornography or hanging around sexed up people ...I have more to say but I have ran out of time

Masturbation will not truly relieve
the sexual pressure that one may feel. It may
for a short moment, but in the long run it only
creates a deeper desire and capacity for sex,
which will lead to more masturbation.

The Bible didn't mention masturbation in particular.. But I'll show you how it becomes a sin.

davis112:
Bros,,make I no lie,,masturbate no gud for ur body,its makes u weak like all over ur body,,even ur eye balls n under ur foot will be so weak as if u lost a lot of blood,ur body wil b intensively hot wich make u fill fainted,,bt to my advise,,as a married or engage man,,masturbating is more better Dan fornicating,when u fornicate,u have inherited half of dat ladies problem,let me put it dis way,,u have share n recieve half of wat ever u have n recieve wat ever she have spiritually,,weda sin,wat ever she has indulge her self in,,even abortion,bad luck,disappointment,name it wat ever..even gudluck,half of her spirit,,dat y some don't no dia gift,,bcus dey have involve in many kind of sex,,sharing n have many kind of spirit,u go for prayer,dey say,ur future to go b a business man,n wen u go to anoda pls,dey say ur future is to go to school or sometin else,,,so abeg,,mastubation is better bt nt always ooh,,so wen doin it,,make sure u have gud food or milk close to u to recover ur self fast..tanks,,davis112,,am new hiaa..

Where did you get all these nonsense from?

donshady:


I have been debating on this topic for over 5years now.

No you have been speculating this falsehood for 5yrs now.

justwise:

No you have been speculating this falsehood for 5yrs now.

It's no falsehood bro

donshady:


Masturbation will not truly relieve
the sexual pressure that one may feel. It may
for a short moment, but in the long run it only
creates a deeper desire and capacity for sex,
which will lead to more masturbation.

The Bible didn't mention masturbation in particular.. But I'll show you how it becomes a sin.

I believe you donshady , Masturbation is temporary , please prove to me it is a sin though ...just to let you know that habitual masturbation is definitely not good for you though and should not be a permanent fix for issues ,

agbajesaid:
I just read a post on FP concerning masturbation. I now asked myself an honest question; isn't it better to masturbate than to fornicate. Its what everyone have experienced expecially at early stage of puberty. The urge for sex increases and we are far from marriage due to age, lack of fiancee, money etc. My religion advices fasting as an alternative to fornication and masturbation but for how long? Isn't it better to masturbate than to fornicate? Asides the immorality in masturbation, is anything bad in it healthwisely and religiously? Matured opinions needed.

fornication is definitely is a sin , masturbation I don't think its a sin , however , it can be classed as a bad habit if it is habitual .
if you are masturbating because of watching porn ..then you need to get rid of your porn ... fasting will not fix anything

donshady:


It's no falsehood bro

Of course its and you know that.

machi25:

no matter the name you choose to give fornication or masturbation, it doesn't change the fact that they are morally and religiously wrong and will lead anyone that practices either of them to HELL FIRE.ofcos you do know that the flesh is weak and if you allow it to rule you, it will consume you.be in charge of your body not the other way round everyone has one weakness or the other but it depends on how well you handle yours. GOD HAS GIVEN US A MANUAL ON HOW TO CONTROL THESE THINGS PLS FOLLOW IT(the Bible)

Hi, Machi. I like the fact that you hold onto what you believe in. It's good for you. You see things and act from a religious angle. That's good.

As for me, I don't. I stick to whatever gives me peace of mind and makes me happy.

I love my girlfriend very much, and we make love often, and we are both happy with each other. I do not see what I am doing as an evil thing as most religious folks would tag it.

I don't encourage Masturbation, not because it is a sin or whatever, I just see it as a waste of time and a killer, psychologically.

I repeat, good sex is good for the soul. Married or not!

ooshinibos:

I believe you donshady , Masturbation is temporary , please prove to me it is a sin though ...just to let you know that habitual masturbation is definitely not good for you though and should not be a permanent fix for issues ,

Self-abuse
1. Abuse of oneself or one’s abilities.
2. Masturbation.

1 Corinthians 6:18 (KJV)
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Matthew 5:28
You have heard that it was
said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’
But I tell you that anyone who
looks at a woman lustfully has
already committed adultery
with her in his heart.

All sexual immorality begins with a thought. A
lustful thought not taken captive, will eventually
lead to other perversions, because sin reproduces
itself in increasingly greater measures. If we do
not deal with our evil thoughts, they will take
root in our hearts.

Masturbation usually involves
fantasy, visualization, and often pornography.
The Bible is very clear as to what God expects
of us in these areas of fantasy and lust. It
teaches that we must not look lustfully at each
other nor should we behave in such a manner as
to entice others to lust after us.

Since masturbation begins with sin in the mind,
it might be called an “affair of the mind”
because it brings about sexual sin inflicted
against one’s own body. Although it brings a
short lived gratification, it makes one feel
defiled when continued on a regular basis. In
fact, it is a form of fornication because
fornication is more that just sex with someone
before marriage, it includes many other sexual
sins such as pornography and the use of sexual
toys for gratification.

Lustful thinking brings about masturbation.

pls my fellow NAIRALAND am also a victim of masturbation. infact i masturbate 3 to 4 times in a week and i dont like it. i believe that it was a devil handwork becux after masturbating i feel awkward and very ashame of myself. i will start regrating myself,i have tried all i can to stop but all to no avail. i have deleted all the porn movie and picture in my phone but i cant stop the last pussy i bleeped, how it looks like and how we enjoy it. pls my dearest give me the best solution to this sickness i dont want it again in my life. it has caused me alot that evn when i saw a girl all my mind will be HOW THE INNER BODY WILL LOOK LIKE,HOW SWEET IT GONNA BE

zinaunreal:
sick man

Don't take it personal bro... was only kidding.

How easy its is to slap a "religious condemnation" stamp on a fornicator or a masturbator. I am a Christian and in no way do I support any of both practices (though it still is a mystery to me why the bible expressly condemns adultery and fornication and doesn't as much as mention masturbation which I quite believe was not unheard of in those times). But being a realist also, I am not oblivious of the fact that both practices have become common place today. While a lot of persons have absolutely no issues with indulging in any or both, with the belief that it is perfectly normal and that to indulge in them is the reason they exist in the first place, many other persons although indulge in either or both, are genuinely experiencing an inner struggle with themselves and desire to do away with them but are finding it difficult. Its easy to just say "turn to Jesus and he will deliver you" but the million naira question is, is it really true that as promised, all I need to do is just come before the altar, confess Jesus as my Lord and automatically the urges go away Opening up to Christ is the first step, a genuine desire to do away with the practices is the second, every other thing flows from the first two and is centered around self discipline. To expand on the third, u need to constantly feed your mind with the thought that "I am new now and I earnestly desire to do away with these practices". Will this automatically condition your body to be unresponsive to the urges?? NO.. but what this will do for u is; because u have been consciously feeding ur mind with that singular thought, when the urge is upon u, u are not totally consumed (which leads u to blindly yield without a second thought) instead, u r not torn between a bodily desire and a mind that is strongly reminding u of the resolve u have been feeding it. Now self discipline now begins to play a part; here u start thinking of what can I channel this energy into at this moment that has the capacity me help me suppress or overcome this urge. That's why u need to find a series of taking activities that u can turn to all the time however, it would be a mistake if u set up activities just so u can run to them wen d urge comes cos u will likely only be at it for a while before u run into the bathroom. You need to have found activities that u have already incorporated as a part of ur life and daily routine (urge or no urge) so its easier to turn to them and equally enjoy them (remember, the devil sets up shop in the idle mind in the first place). Will this bring an abrupt or automatic stop to ur indulgence in the practices?? most likely not but wen u fall, u need to continue in the cycle of feeding ur mind again and not just give up with the thought that ,"there it goes, I failed". You will discover that the intervals between ur falling and picking urself back up again will start getting longer and longer till u get to a point where u say, I can remember when last I did this or felt the urge to. For guys, I guess someone might be quick to tell me that biologically, sperm build up over time seeks an avenue of release which has to be done but ur body has been biologically conditioned to do this on its own most times via what is commonly referred to as "wet dreams". So with the right mindset, we can achieve whatever we make a desire. For the strong Christians among us, pls stop your condemnations and cos God is a God of second, third and fourth chances as we have seen right from the book of Isaiah to almost all the new testament books and I personally believe God sees the heart of a genuine struggling child of His and he will accommodate u through ur process of finding yourself through Him. Overcoming I believe is a process not a singular act particularly with masturbation

P.S I know I haven't addressed the topic which seeks a choice between both but that is cos I don't believe it ever should be a choice.
And my comment about masturbation not being mentioned in the bible does not mean I don't think it's sinful cos in the build up to and in the course of masturbating, immoral fantasies are in ur head and most times, they involve people u know which amounts to ur having desired them in lustful thinking which in turn Jesus has said is actually tantamount to committing the act in itself.
I am struggling too.

Show me a man who is masturbating right now and I will show you a man who isn't causing any bleeping problem to the society.

danxzy:
pls my fellow NAIRALAND am also a victim of masturbation. infact i masturbate 3 to 4 times in a week and i dont like it. i believe that it was a devil handwork becux after masturbating i feel awkward and very ashame of myself. i will start regrating myself,i have tried all i can to stop but all to no avail. i have deleted all the porn movie and picture in my phone but i cant stop the last pussy i bleeped, how it looks like and how we enjoy it. pls my dearest give me the best solution to this sickness i dont want it again in my life. it has caused me alot that evn when i saw a girl all my mind will be HOW THE INNER BODY WILL LOOK LIKE,HOW SWEET IT GONNA BE

Believe in the Lord and you will be saved.

Masturbation I think is not a sin but the motive behind it... For example someone that go to hospital for sperm test is he not going to masturbate... PLS is that a Sin or Something bad

ODOGWU all na the same thing oo... No be die be the end point . abeg the two of them na still cum u go cum , if you get Hot , brothers do the needy , if there's a babe of 20 and above that you can plead for help Nwanne do it , if not spanck it out menh. Onwedi much it is called self-help , ladies do it too when they don't want to cheat.

lanrywatt:
Answer me first before I talk, Dieing by road and Dieing by plane crash which is better